Hi guys this is my first post, wahey!

Im growing a - 'FOUR WAYS' strain plant Indoors in a 'Compost/soil' grow.
Using 6 20w cfls to give her 360 degree light
and an HPS 70W above her.
Using Bio BLOOM and Molasses for feed (usually 2-3 days)
She is on 12/12
Shes around (she was a cutting bought) 9 weeks old, and been flowering
for 32 days.
Ive seen loads of little bugs, which are aphids, and used 'neem oil & garlic' spray big style
and gave her 2 showers in the past week.
a few times over the last 3 weeks, they still there??
And today i took these shots and i also now notice NEW webbing (as pictured)
which must be spider mites.

So myquestions are,
1-(dont suggest pest off/bug clear or any item that i cant get in a normal supermarket, as its not possible for me to get anything else)
Is there anything else i can do???

2-Are there any other improvements i can make to her as a whole.

3-If the bugs cant be stopped will i get to harvst?

4-How far from harvest is she? (purely based on pics-not time)

Thanks guys

Another pic

SO GLAD I DIDNT START A GROW LOG ON HERE,
I COULDNT COPE WITH ALL THE REPLIES, WHAT A LOAD OF WANK!!!!!

bYE FOLKS NOW IM BANNED HAHAHAHAHAHA

Surely a polite bump would have sufficed

Instead of throwing all your teddies out the pram

Owd

Owd - yes prolly would have been better to bump.

At the end of the day i had over 70 views and no comms, i mean i suppose its that most people on here dont really have much of a clue,
shame as this site was recommended.
Ive now found all the answers from a couple of IMO 'BETTER' WITH PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY COMMENT - AND SOME DONT HAVE THE ANSWER BUT Are polite enough to say good luck or provide a link.

The word COMMUNITY springs to mind, maybe some members on here should read up on what that means.

Peace

Hello themasta09

sorry i didnt see your post first time round.

I think your attitude it bollox but welcome to UK420

Volc

2: get some decent lights

3: yes but you probably wont want to smoke it

4: i wouldnt bother harvesting it

The above comment had us laughing our heads off here, so thanks for that...

4-wouldnt bother harvesting??

So think my guess is 'amateur' - and thats NOT MY OPINION that view is based on around 30-40 pictures of plants found on postings on here at roughly the same stage.
My plant looks better than most ive seen at this stage.
So ithink you need to 'go back to school' and learn..

I mean what a sad fooker, the size of them buds already and im still 3-4weeks away from harvest, plonker.

and also DECENT LIGHTS ???? Gawd i hate having to explain to those who are not as bright...
THE LIGHTS I HAVE ARE FOR 1 PLANT IN A SPACE OF 2FT X 2FT - 4FOOT HIGH - SO CALCULATE LUMENS AND I THINK YOU WILL FIND THAT I HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH


Apart from that dick above.

Thanks for the welcome, sorry i was abrupt originally - it was just a bit confusing how i posted on other sites and on 1 ive had 68 comments (i suppose being a uk site doesnt really help me, as the true 'Kings of the weed' are living in canada, usa and of course netherlands.

But my plant is doing great no sign of bugs since neem oiling her, and no a single bit of damage on her anywhere, her smell is getting very very nice too.
Hopefully gonna make her into a nice plant to 'clone' from after.

I have no questions tonight as everything is going A1 with her, but thanks anyway guys and good luck with your own grows.

Peace

Apart from that this is the first mention you've made of your room dimensions so how is anyone else to know???




Maybe no one responded because you already answered your problem in the first post with the neem oil treatments ???

IMHO that part of the quote in bold makes you look "not as bright" and I am laughing AT YOU...

Ha bloody amateurs

and didnt mention anything about room size cos i wasnt asking about room size or lighting as i know i had them setup ok.

so soory yep im now laughing at you aswell....

aha like taking candy off a baby.....NEXT

ohh pls do us all a favour and fuck off...

WANKER

with your attitude m8 you are not gonna get any help, why so nasty, past your bedtime is it



i just read that bit, why are you still here then if you know what to do.
fuck off over there you impatient little child

You call that webbing?





E2a, Are you easthead?

I can't understand why any of you bite, UK420 members in all my experience here have been very polite and always willing to help and advise anyone who needs it, even if you do have to bump the thread now and then, with 50/60,000 members what do you expect, a lot of viewers are just that, viewers and don't want to join in on the conversation, but just like to read and move on, so like I said, there are a lot of members/growers here and growing every day so have some patients. Sarcasm is not the way to get good sound advice that you seek, so please chill out and smoke a spliff, the only reason that Canada or the NL's have been in the front seat of canna growing/breeding is because the laws there make it so much easier to be a canna grower in the first place, the lax laws also open doors to meeting other growers without fear of prosecution. The UK has always had the best gardeners in the world and if the uk laws were as lax as Can or NL then you would be the ones playing catch up, because believe me even with the draconian laws we have to put up with as canna growers here in the uk we still grow some great indoor/out door bud and if you try to say different then your obviously just trolling and looking for an argument.

Nice looking plants considering the space there grown in, it looks like spider mites with the little web I could see, I hope the neem oil worked because it did not for me, it just slowed them down and within 2 weeks they were back, the only thing that has worked for me, but shouldn't be used in flower is scotts bug clear mixed with horticultural soap, mixed both at recommended max strength and have not seen them to date. If you do not eradicate them they crap and die inside the buds which will probably cause bud rot mould if your r/h gets to high for to long (like during lights off), they can absolutely infest a flower room, I mean 100,000's in a couple of weeks and you cannot keep using the neem oil in late flowering or it will probably just up the chances of bud rot, personally I would not smoke bud that had been infested with s/m, maybe make some bubble ash and sieve out the bugs and shit.

Peace,
GG
P.S. It took me bloody ages to type all this out, I’m only a 2 finger typist, have some patients and act your age mate.

Hi guys....

My bad

I was having a bad day, but to be honest i did start out the 'pee taking' as a joke but as i found it got out of hand.
Apologies to anyone i offended.

you are not amateurs and i haVE only heard good things about this site.

Sowi sowi sorry

My plant is looking fine, no real problems from what i can see, the odd bit of thread from webbing but nothing major, (from what i can tell they wouldnt damage the buds too much, - but again being a noobie im not sure)

I'll try and update her with pics later and once again guys excuse my erm....dummy spitting yesterday

P.s
Nicely put 'greengoblin' but not sure what --""if your r/h gets to high for to long (like during lights off)"" meant?

Now you sound like a gentlman, someone I would like to get to know Masta, great to hear your plants are healthy.

Peace,
GG

To get them like that is a credit to you. We all have problems when things seem to be going well. If we all had now problems when growing then i would not be smoking this so call green i got from a dealer the other day. Hope mine goes well. I to get little responses from my posts but so wot the advice i get is good any way without some people telling me things taht ive already been told

You are a changeable bugger aren't you masta? My missus get's like that - Was it the wrong time of the month?

r/h means relative humidity, e.g moisture content of the air.

And dew point is when you will get mould

THANK YOU GUYS......

I LOVE THOSE COMMENTS ABOVE esp 'My missus gets like that'

Yep it was my time of the month (i come out in sympathy for my real girl, )

So i checked her just and found them little soil buggers, and found a bit of lines of web, so ive just sprayed her ALL OVER
Including the top soil, with a 'Neem oil/cayenne pepper/dishsoap spray) but i think there may be 'other' factors, such as r/h (now i know what that is)
but to be honest Im flat broke until early october so cant buy a thing, and then i could only be a week away from harvest if needs be, so i reckon its a case of lets get her to october..

And going back to the overseas growers, yep they may have more relaxed laws, but us BRITISH Are a more forgiving lot, and can
forgive and forget, and for that im thankful.

Thanks guys

p.s finding it tricky to get photos on here for you as the size is extremely limited.

another

--Also forgot to put it, lets say she is EXACTLY like this is in another 2 weeks (so no actual visible damage)
It will be ok to harvest her (obviously checking the buds for any bugs etc.) Hope some nice grower on here could clear
up the good points and bad points on this for me. Thanks again GUYS & GALS (of course)

I don't know about the dew point being when you get mould - different strains tend to go down with it at different r/h's - 50% or so seems to be the danger level for most indica crosses.

Heat and dryness will encourage multiplication of spidermite numbers though, so if you can keep the humidity as high as possible without encouraging mould you will hold them back as much as possible.

The main problem is if you allow them to multiply through this grow, your 'drobe will be totally infested, and they can be hard to shift.

ok further update ---- like i say had her outside to spray and lifted her up and in the bottom of the soil (where i made a large drainage hole)
were quite a few 'flys' i scraped them out and sprayed it there, could the little soil buggers turn into these flys (as my grow is in an open room with a window open all day)
if so what kind of problem could i have???
AND THANKS FOR THE MEGA FAST REPLYS

I'm sure I read recently some where that mould growth conditions become optimum when the r/h is 97% and the temps are around 70/80*f. Because there always around us just waiting for the right conditions to grow.

Peace,
GG

Hello tm09,

Sorry to hear about your pest problem, might be an idea to shut the window, no doubt thats were they came in from.

Personally if it was me i would harvest her now, ok, your going to loose some quality and quantity but your going to have a better smoke ie less bugs, those pests really do multiply like crazy, next id completely sterilise your grow room and start form scratch, with the window shut. To avoid getting into the same predicament.
Obviously its up to you what you do, just giving my 2 pence.

Good luck with it
Stay Lucky

Peace

Any chance of some pictures of the flys, because some are pretty harmless and can be easily controlled with the yellow sticky pads on top of your pots.

e2a: A fly screen on the window might help.

Peace,
GG

Thanks for the help,

GG - i tried to get photos but the buggers disappeared too quick, but i got a good look.

They are about a quarter of inch long and quite thin weith very shiny metal/silver shiny wings, and they walk
quite straihgt and to be honest they are quite rectanlge (a uniform straightness) I hope this helps.

As for immediate harvest - I was thinking as there is still no actual visible signs of damage on her anywhere (even under my jewellers loupe)
am i not better keeping her going and if suddenly one day i do start seeing any sign of damage appearing then harvest??

Because the weird thing is she looks so blinking healthy???

aaaarrgghhhhh what a welcome to weird and wonderful world of growing, ...

(its lucky footballs on tonite - give me something to chill a bit)

http://www.chrysanthemums.info/ailments/im...iaridfly300.jpg

this is the closest thing i can see google wise,, am i in danger???

Sciarid Fly (last updated 02 July 2008 )

Also Known as Fungus Gnats, Mushroom Fly. They feed on mycelium in the soil and are generally of no importance. However they occasionally attack garden plants

They are almost certainly sciarid flies - they only really hrm cuttings and seedlings. The larvae eat roots..

Good hygeine will keep them to a minimum.

Could someone give me a good hygiene plan please.

Also the window is open as is the wardrobe otherwise it will be far too hot when i close the window and wardrobe the temps go up to 95 - so not sure what to do?
I would ideally not want too harvest yet as we are coming in to thwe 'bud filling' in time, i suppose either way she will be harvested whther early or not.

[quote name='andypotatoes' date='Sep 23 2009, 04:50 PM' post='1931035']
I don't know about the dew point being when you get mould - different strains tend to go down with it at different r/h's - 50% or so seems to be the danger level for most indica crosses.

Heat and dryness will encourage multiplication of spidermite numbers though, so if you can keep the humidity as high as possible without encouraging mould you will hold them back as much as possible.

The main problem is if you allow them to multiply through this grow, your 'drobe will be totally infested, and they can be hard to shift.

Mould relys on 3 factors to grow Heat, Air and moisture. I work for mould remediation company and we always try to elimanate one if now 2 sources.

Let me explian. We are dealing with a mould infested wood structure, so what would i reduce to stop mould infestation. I would bring down the wood moisture content to around 18% wme. Then reduce the heat to about 70 degrees and keeping my rh at 40% no lower or higher. There are my 2 targets. You may have notice im not touching the air movement. This will always help keeep rh down as well. Hope this did not bore you. I have a great article wrtten about mould and how to live with mould and what to do if you become sensitive to its spores. Hope this makes sense to you. Not telling granny how to suck eggs. Im learning about growing and will not encounter mould problems.

hmmm
This mould issue is a it confusing, i think i need to solve the pest problem first either way.
The lowest i can get my temp tois 26-89oC I cant think of any other way (flat broke) any tips?

SO these flies and them little tiny grey/white crawlies in the soil and maybe 1 or 2 spider mites - yet no signs of damage???
And i know at least the latter 2 have been there for over 2 weeks??????????

Bloody confusing???????????????????????

Look dont worry about mould at the mo. Just try to get temps down a bit. I try to keep my temps at 75/80 and rh at 45/ and that does me good. When im drying last time temp kept at 70 and rh was always at 40.

If you have no extraction and you are leaving your window open try drawing cold air from outside in to your room then into your cupboard

OH SHITE ........

JUST FOUND THIS??????????
ITS LIKE A LITTLE MAGGOOT//
I wish i could post a big picture but the 250k cap forces me to change size.

aaargh please help i now feel like crying - yep even grown men cry

You need to cover all air intakes in to the room with fine mesh to prevent pests - although it wouldn't have stopped the flies or the mites probably..

The flies just live in compost - old, wet compost. They lay eggs in it, and hop about. THey don't do a lot of damage, the larvae eat young roots. Try and minimise the amount of compost laying about, and regularly clean all hard surfaces throughly. Topping pots with hydroleca or similar will help make them uncomfortable.

The spidermites are more of a problem - they will decimate a crop, and are hardere to eradicate. Take no cuttings from your current crop, which should be O.K but reduced, and deep clean your grow before you intorduce any more plants. Spray the new plants in veg as well to kill off any remaining mites.

Good luck.

e2a The 'maggot' is a sciarid flie larvae. cunts.

You can use hypoaspis, a biological predator, to kill them. It's not worth it for one plant though.. I like them, because you can actually see them. I feel ripped off with some IPM controls..

From 'Defenders':

Sciarid Fly Description:
Sciarid Fly Larvae

The young are small, 4-6mm long, white larvae (maggots) with black heads, these can be found in the top few millimetres of soil or compost.

Adult scairids are 3-4mm long, black, midge like flies that can be seen jumping or hovering over the soil surface.

They are likely to be found in the greenhouse or around houseplants where compost is moist and warm, and where algae may have developed on the soil surface.
Sciarid Fly Damage:

Seedlings are nibbled off at the base of the stem or just below the soil level. Roots of cuttings are eaten away. Damaged plants may succumb to rot.
Sciarid Fly Life Cycle:

Adult females lay their eggs in the surface layer of the soil, and although short-lived they can lay between 100 & 300 eggs during a week.

The eggs hatch into maggots, which will eat rotting algae, compost, seedlings and cuttings.

The whole life cycle takes about 4 weeks at 20ºC (68ºF).

Scairids can be present in the greenhouse or conservatory at any time of the year.

I would use sticky cards for the flies and as goes for the mould issue, I can see your on top of that situation Monsta, Keep the plants well watered and temps at 70*f r/h 45% max for flowering and 75% for vegetation to deter fly larvae from living in the medium, sticky cards work a treat, I would also put a screen up around the window to stop the majority of flies from getting in through the open window. You need to have decent air circulation for healthy bud, though your plants look pretty good atm, but an oscillating fan is a must for any indoor grower, you could use 6 inch clip on fans, out take and intake fans are also a must for the best results indoors, they can never have to much fresh air as I’m sure you already know.
e2a: It's probably the fly larvae, sticky cards will sort them out mate.
Peace,
GG

ok had a quick look round the forum and from what i can see they shouldnt present too much of a problem
like i say i could harvest 8th october, (i want to havest in 2 parts to test the highs)
Ive just 'made' a pest strip by using sticky tape with some molasses spread on to it.

I mean what do you guys think of keeping her going unless i see actual damage (is it safe to do that?)

As recommened i have closed the window and the door - but opened the wardrobe to counter act the loss of
cold air the window brought in/

I had a quick firk in the soil and theres nothing moving at the mo so i guess i aint got a major infestation yet,
im juts at a loss to what else i could do

Well I would certainly finish flowering her myself she is a nice plant, but perfection is the path us growers walk and strive for.

I would not harvest her unless there were loads of bugs crapping and living in the bud it's self, but most bugs live on the fan leaves and leave the bud a lone because the trichomes are potential death traps to them, a bit like amber was to prehistoric mosquito.

Peace,
GG

Cheers GG thats the best news ive had today.
I mean i thought like if by now nothings happened to her, then another 2 weeks should be ok seen as shes a picture of health (and ive NEVER seen anything on the leaves or near the buds)

Thanks for all the help today everybody - I didnt deserve it really, so many many thanks.
I will leave it there for today and tomorrow when her lights comes on 1pm I'll get some phots and do an update.

Once again thanks and respect to you all......ENJOY THE FOOTBALL- SKY SPORTS 2

Any time Masta, nice to have met you too, I hope you enjoy many more happy hours on uk420.

Peace,
GG

Hello friends and fellow growers.

Well her lights came on at 1pm so i shot up and took loads of pics before the HPS warmed up,
Well as the photos show she seems healthy i mean if you look at the leaves near the top they are straight as a
ruler, - so i guess there cant be damage?????

I had a good luck at all the photos and cant see any sign of webbing - so thats good.
I scraped the soil in her drainage hole and no flys - again good.
I could see a couple of them little tiny bugs in the soil, but as they have done no damage i guess they are happy enough without doing damage as they been there weeks (or at least same variety).

So should i just keep doing what ive been doing as it seems to be ok (after 3 weeks of this problem surely there would be damage if there was going to be??)

Her buds have 'filled' out a little bit more overnoght - BRILLIANT, cant wait to have a smoke (i really want a sample - if i took a popcorn bud from the bottom of her whats the best way to dry it for smoking - forget the hanging for days etc, as its only a sample to keep me going until harvest..

She is starting to 'lean' her main 2 or 3 colas are leaning (all the same direction) so should i get some canes to help hold them in posiitioon???

Thanks for reading this, any comments will be very appreciated..

Respect

Nice looking cola

tbh m8 they look a bit immature at the moment.. no brown hairs at all get a magnifier and look at the trichomes... how do they look ?
how many if any are a opaque or brownish colour?
roughly how long have they been in flower?
to me they look about month away from being ready at least

They look nice Masta, No damage at all, look forward to seeing them nearer to harvest time.

Peace,
GG

Thanks guys,
I will get some photos of the pistils alot of them are turning colour i just havent photographed them properly.
I would guess at around 35%.
As for trichs still clear definately.

They have been in flower for 36 days so still a good 3 weeks really til harvest (then i will only harvest some of them to get 'different' feel for the highs)
I dont want to harvest her until mid october, although i really really do need some smoke as cant get any where i live (staffordshire)
I will try and get a couple of photos so you could suggest best places to take samples.

Apart from that yeah she looks fine its weird i read so much on how bad bugs are for our girls and yet mine seems fine????

Thanks again

Possibly a little mirror in the soil ?

erm ok..............that is like way over my head??????

'a little mirror in the soil'???
what like put one in and the maggots look at it and realise how ugly they are and curl up and die???,

go on explain if you would.

thanks

please dont do that, - and you didnt say anything???