Hi all, I've got x2 motavation,cannalope haze (dna) and a seed from magus genetics which could be exile,warlock or earlygirl.(got 5 free?) They're all 8 weekers so I've got a day left giving them the pk13/14,before they hit their sixth week.
However, I'm slightly confused, a canna grow schedule is saying to use boost and canna zyme right up to the end.Which is fine,but It says nothing on the schedule about flushing though? Did I even need a big bottle of canna flush for soil grows?
They're really filling out now which I'm assuming is the Pk13/14 so I really want to make sure I get it right from here.
Well if anyone could help I'd be really grateful.
Many thanks.
DG
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as your not growing organicly i would flush!
Hantshaze.....
Hantshaze.....
I was reading up on this a few days ago - there's still a lot of debate about it but what I saw was enough to convince me that for a soil/organic grow, little or no flushing is necessary.
I'm on a slightly different 'diet' than you - modified OT1 BioBizz schedule in Canna Terra Pro - and was already on a much shorter flush than in my hydro days.
Current grow I expect my Blue Cheese to finish a week or two before the Super Lemon Haze so the BC will get no flush at all (they're on a common reservoir) and the SLH will get probably 1 or 2 'runthrough' flushes.
AS I (now) understand it, the important things are to keep using a bit of Grow throughout and to start reducing the Bloom and upping the Booster after the first pistils start turning brown.
Sucess!
I'm on a slightly different 'diet' than you - modified OT1 BioBizz schedule in Canna Terra Pro - and was already on a much shorter flush than in my hydro days.
Current grow I expect my Blue Cheese to finish a week or two before the Super Lemon Haze so the BC will get no flush at all (they're on a common reservoir) and the SLH will get probably 1 or 2 'runthrough' flushes.
AS I (now) understand it, the important things are to keep using a bit of Grow throughout and to start reducing the Bloom and upping the Booster after the first pistils start turning brown.
Sucess!
I would give at least a few days on flush no matter what medium I'm using, after all cant do any harm can it?
Cheers Hantshaze, thats handy to know, was just looking at the FaQ section and there's an interesting read saying that flushing can be harmful to roots and root hairs. Also that flushing with an addidtive will actually slow down and basically stop the plants from metabolising the remaining nutes.
I think it also says that water alone will mean that the plant is more likely to break down the remaining goodness it has left in the soil.Almost forcing acid and sugar breakdown, i think?
Here is a summary taken from the FaQ section.
" Preharvest flushing puts the plant(s) under serious stress. The plant has to deal with nutrient deficiencies in a very important part of its cycle. Strong changes in the amount of dissolved substances in the root-zone stress the roots, possibly to the point of direct physical damage to them. Many immobile elements are no more available for further metabolic processes. We are loosing the fan leaves and damage will show likely on new growth as well."
"The grower should react in an educated way to the plant needs. Excessive, deficient or unbalanced levels should be avoided regardless the nutrient source. Nutrient levels should be gradually adjusted to the lesser needs in later flowering. Stress factors should be limited as far as possible. If that is accomplished throughout the entire life cycle, there shouldn’t be any excessive nutrient compounds in the plants tissue. It doesn’t sound likely to the author that you can correct growing errors (significant lower mobile nutrient compound levels) with preharvest flushing."
I'm still a little confused though, but thanks Hantshaze for your input, so far I will take your advice as you mentioned that I'm not growing organically, that is a major factor.
Thanks for your advice on this
DG
I think it also says that water alone will mean that the plant is more likely to break down the remaining goodness it has left in the soil.Almost forcing acid and sugar breakdown, i think?
Here is a summary taken from the FaQ section.
" Preharvest flushing puts the plant(s) under serious stress. The plant has to deal with nutrient deficiencies in a very important part of its cycle. Strong changes in the amount of dissolved substances in the root-zone stress the roots, possibly to the point of direct physical damage to them. Many immobile elements are no more available for further metabolic processes. We are loosing the fan leaves and damage will show likely on new growth as well."
"The grower should react in an educated way to the plant needs. Excessive, deficient or unbalanced levels should be avoided regardless the nutrient source. Nutrient levels should be gradually adjusted to the lesser needs in later flowering. Stress factors should be limited as far as possible. If that is accomplished throughout the entire life cycle, there shouldn’t be any excessive nutrient compounds in the plants tissue. It doesn’t sound likely to the author that you can correct growing errors (significant lower mobile nutrient compound levels) with preharvest flushing."
I'm still a little confused though, but thanks Hantshaze for your input, so far I will take your advice as you mentioned that I'm not growing organically, that is a major factor.
Thanks for your advice on this
DG
QUOTE (GanjaCat @ Sep 16 2009, 01:48 PM) 
I was reading up on this a few days ago - there's still a lot of debate about it but what I saw was enough to convince me that for a soil/organic grow, little or no flushing is necessary.
I'm on a slightly different 'diet' than you - modified OT1 BioBizz schedule in Canna Terra Pro - and was already on a much shorter flush than in my hydro days.
Current grow I expect my Blue Cheese to finish a week or two before the Super Lemon Haze so the BC will get no flush at all (they're on a common reservoir) and the SLH will get probably 1 or 2 'runthrough' flushes.
AS I (now) understand it, the important things are to keep using a bit of Grow throughout and to start reducing the Bloom and upping the Booster after the first pistils start turning brown.
Sucess!
I'm on a slightly different 'diet' than you - modified OT1 BioBizz schedule in Canna Terra Pro - and was already on a much shorter flush than in my hydro days.
Current grow I expect my Blue Cheese to finish a week or two before the Super Lemon Haze so the BC will get no flush at all (they're on a common reservoir) and the SLH will get probably 1 or 2 'runthrough' flushes.
AS I (now) understand it, the important things are to keep using a bit of Grow throughout and to start reducing the Bloom and upping the Booster after the first pistils start turning brown.
Sucess!
Thats great thanks for that GanjaCat and S.K, Am I doing something wrong here though? I have got some terra flores, some canna zyme, and some canna boost. Pk 13/14 and the flush. When you say 'keep using a bit of grow' do you mean the Terra flores? Also did you mean to start reducing the bloom the plants actually doing or is 'bloom' a product I might be missing. I think the only canna stuff i didn't get was the Rhitzotonic or however its spelt. I think that stuffs for roots so I assume it would be used in the ealier stages.
Anyway back to the whole 'big flush' thing. I'm currently giving them:
In 2 litre mixes of mineral water
5- 8 ml boost
8- 10 ml flores
4-5 ml cannazyme
3ml pk13/14 (its had 6 days)
As of tomorrow, the begining of their sixth week I'm told to stop the flores and the Pk. Are you saying not to stop the flores? Just cut it down and up the boost?
Sorry for being a bit thick here, I'm also excited to learn about it properly and hear peoples differing opinions on flushing with soil.
Cheers for your help
DG
So the alternative to not flushing is to end up with a harvest of chemical tasting bud that crackles and pops when you smoke it? No thanks!!
I know people say that by curing properly you should be able to get rid of the chem taste but I have found this to be untrue unless you cure for a much longer period....
Think I'd rather lose a couple of fan leaves than end up with a crop of chem bud.
Just my 2 pennies worth, i know everyone has thier own opinion thats just mine.
SK
I know people say that by curing properly you should be able to get rid of the chem taste but I have found this to be untrue unless you cure for a much longer period....
Think I'd rather lose a couple of fan leaves than end up with a crop of chem bud.
Just my 2 pennies worth, i know everyone has thier own opinion thats just mine.
SK
No need to justify any opinions here, I quite agree with the way you put that S.K, a few fan leaves over Chemy budz any day!
To me, at the moment a good tasting bud comes first, I will learn more about getting my watt/per grm next time. So maybe i should compromise and flush for a few days.
Thanks for your help S.K. Also your plants look healthy...interesting genetics you got there.
To me, at the moment a good tasting bud comes first, I will learn more about getting my watt/per grm next time. So maybe i should compromise and flush for a few days.
Thanks for your help S.K. Also your plants look healthy...interesting genetics you got there.
i lernt a long time ago thet ,flushing in hydro is very important ,as you want nice fruity buds not chem bud.i use organic now,and have just tried a one time flush through wiv 6 liters of just water ,and sum others i just fed plain water for 1 to 2 weeks and they both taste the same, so now il just feed water till you get sum run off ,then wait till dry then water wiv run off again,do this for a week or two and the bud will be just as good as the dutch c/shops..i use ot1s feeding guide wiv just b bizz grow and bloom and sum epsoms salts,oh and sum molasses towards the end , a one off dose of mollasses into your water only ,or flush if in hydro .givs the bud a sweet taste and givs sum food for the end of flower/flush..im smoking sum lemon skunk here that i just gave water and a tad of molases the first week of water only,then just water for 1 week and cut,dryed it for over a week and it smokes like a lemon fruit, just giving my opinion on it all ,rant over 
From OT1s' schedule
Posted HERE
Theres' also a decent thread (with poll) about flushing HERE
Keep it simple, know why you're doing what you're doing, and above all have patience.
Learn to understand what the plants want/need.
It'll all come to you.
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Once you are on 12/12 start feeding 1 ml of both grow and bloom to a litre of water.
At about week 2 of flowering change the mix to 1 ml grow and 2 ml bloom per litre.
At week 3 [21 days] a one off feed of a heaped table spoon of epsom salts per 10 litres add to that 1 ml of grow and 2 ml of bloom.
Round the 4 week mark, the mix is 1ml gr and 3 ml bl.
Once you start to see browning of pistils change to 2 ml gr and 1 ml bl keep with that till the end.
All you really need is grow and bloom + a little epsom salts.
At about week 2 of flowering change the mix to 1 ml grow and 2 ml bloom per litre.
At week 3 [21 days] a one off feed of a heaped table spoon of epsom salts per 10 litres add to that 1 ml of grow and 2 ml of bloom.
Round the 4 week mark, the mix is 1ml gr and 3 ml bl.
Once you start to see browning of pistils change to 2 ml gr and 1 ml bl keep with that till the end.
All you really need is grow and bloom + a little epsom salts.
Posted HERE
Theres' also a decent thread (with poll) about flushing HERE
Keep it simple, know why you're doing what you're doing, and above all have patience.
Learn to understand what the plants want/need.
It'll all come to you.
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