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Indica Monkey
I will shortly be germing some seeds but just want to check my action plan for the veg stage sounds right to you guys, flowering will be done using OT1's schedule.
I will be using allmix throughout the grow, mixing it 50/50 with pearlite for the first pot and then straight allmix for every pot after that.
I will mix Seer rockdust in with the allmix at a rate of 2 handfulls to 15ltr and will use Maxicrop at 2ml/ltr for every watering during the veg stage except potting up.
I will sprinkle Rootgrow into the potting hole when transplanting then water in with Trichoderma once the plant has gone into it's new pot.
Does this sound right? It's quite some time since I read the fun with fungi thread and my life is too hectic to read it again any time soon.
I will be using straight BioBizz only for the flowering stage as I did on my last grow.
Arnold Layne
Sounds good to me fella.
But there really are much better organic composts out there than Allmix. Some of us would even go so far as to say it is hardly a true organic compost at all, isn't Allmix. But that's a mere opinion and preference.
Try a Google for "Moorland Gold" or "Fertile Fibres" or "Nature's Own Organic Potting Compost". All of them Real organics, and all far superior to Allmix as growing media.
Indica Monkey
Cheers Arnie, I only chose the allmix because I can pick it up locally and it was the obvious choice.
I'll try and find one of the compost's you've suggested.
hantshaze
plagron do some good organic compost. Batmix and royal mix are top quallity and priced about the same as allmix and most good growshops sell them!
Hantshaze.
Indica Monkey
Are the batmix and royal mix ready to use out of the bag?
Could I still follow the schedule I have posted above with them both?
KC
Yes batmix and royalty mix are ready for use out of the bag (like any MP in the garden centre). Whichever compost you decide on i can't see why you'd feed maxicrop unsure.gif If you are using fresh compost then you shouldn't need any nutrients. Both batmix and royalty mix have plenty of nutes in them same as Biobizz so feeding wouldn't be needed until flowering if you've been potting up.
Adding rockdust and rootgrow etc will be fine if that's what you want to do smile.gif
I'm not sure i'd class any of those composts are proper organic mind, i'm pretty sure they wouldn't ever gain SA approval. Dutch organic standards seem far more lax than ours it would seem lol.gif

Mined peat and bat shit...organic??? unsure.gif nea.gif


Arnold Layne
KC, I agree, and you are absolutely correct about not getting SA accreditation. I've been yammering on about this for years here; how can a compost using peat and transported from another land be considered organic?
But it could be worse, I suppose?
Its good to see folks concerend to use organics though, just wish the Canna-Business was more honest and had more integrity about it. I could accept the tag "Bio" on things like Allmix and the BioBizz nutes, but "organic"? Hmmmmmmm.
But TBH, anything growing under lamps and indoors is going to get rejected by the SA, in terms of its being organic.

By the by, Maxicrop is more a micro-herd stimulant than a plant food, so its a good thing really. It is also organic, or at least there is an organic version of it.
KC
QUOTE (Arnold Layne @ Sep 6 2009, 08:47 AM) *
By the by, Maxicrop is more a micro-herd stimulant than a plant food, so its a good thing really. It is also organic, or at least there is an organic version of it.


Just reading the blurb on their site, sounds pretty good stuff. They do make nutes too though so just a heads up for the OP so you don't get the wrong one,
I still haven't been able to find it, although i don't suppose it's too much different to the organic Vitax product that i've used before.

Cheers for that Arnie smile.gif
rubbabudbud
QUOTE (Arnold Layne @ Sep 6 2009, 08:47 AM) *
KC, I agree, and you are absolutely correct about not getting SA accreditation. I've been yammering on about this for years here; how can a compost using peat and transported from another land be considered organic?
But it could be worse, I suppose?
Its good to see folks concerend to use organics though, just wish the Canna-Business was more honest and had more integrity about it. I could accept the tag "Bio" on things like Allmix and the BioBizz nutes, but "organic"? Hmmmmmmm.
But TBH, anything growing under lamps and indoors is going to get rejected by the SA, in terms of its being organic.

By the by, Maxicrop is more a micro-herd stimulant than a plant food, so its a good thing really. It is also organic, or at least there is an organic version of it.


Ever since the Soil Association accredited farmed salmon as 'organic' their
label is meaningless IMHO. Now they have diluted their code why abide by their standards-they have been compromised by relentless pressure from corporations wanting to add the SA emblem and double their profit margins. One of the primary founders resigned over this travesty of organic justice!
BluePixie
QUOTE (rubbabudbud @ Sep 6 2009, 05:45 PM) *
Ever since the Soil Association accredited farmed salmon as 'organic' their
label is meaningless IMHO. Now they have diluted their code why abide by their standards-they have been compromised by relentless pressure from corporations wanting to add the SA emblem and double their profit margins. One of the primary founders resigned over this travesty of organic justice!


Still doesn't make all-mix organic.

Can fish be organic? - wild caught is unsustainable, therefore can never be considered organic IMHO.

Why is farmed fish with certain standards of care and feed any different from organically farmed meat?

Fish-farming as a whole is generally no better than keeping battery hens, (e.g. high density, growth hormones, antibiotics in feed) but that doesn't mean that if you knock out all the crap and keep fish in low density farms, allowed to grow at natural rates with normal foodstuffs and no nasty additives they can't be organic.

My 2 p.......
Arnold Layne
QUOTE (rubbabudbud @ Sep 6 2009, 05:45 PM) *
Now they have diluted their code why abide by their standards

I don't, myself.
I was just making the point that no indoor grown Cannabis would get a SA accreditation, regardless of compost used.
rubbabudbud
QUOTE (BluePixie @ Sep 6 2009, 06:40 PM) *
QUOTE (rubbabudbud @ Sep 6 2009, 05:45 PM) *
Ever since the Soil Association accredited farmed salmon as 'organic' their
label is meaningless IMHO. Now they have diluted their code why abide by their standards-they have been compromised by relentless pressure from corporations wanting to add the SA emblem and double their profit margins. One of the primary founders resigned over this travesty of organic justice!


Still doesn't make all-mix organic.

Can fish be organic? - wild caught is unsustainable, therefore can never be considered organic IMHO.

Why is farmed fish with certain standards of care and feed any different from organically farmed meat?

Fish-farming as a whole is generally no better than keeping battery hens, (e.g. high density, growth hormones, antibiotics in feed) but that doesn't mean that if you knock out all the crap and keep fish in low density farms, allowed to grow at natural rates with normal foodstuffs and no nasty additives they can't be organic.

My 2 p.......


Wild fish is fine if managed sustainably. Farmed salmon is unorganic imo since it is not its natural habitat. Consequently the fish is fattier and blander tasting since it isn't having the 'work out' it would normally have swimming fro
sea up-river. Just an example of the continuing dilution of organic principles to make an extra buck.

The major disadvantage of this is that wild line-caught salmon is stonkingly expensive.

cool.gif My point is that if the SA have a lax definition and continue to compromise perhaps we need a different frame of reference or a more agreeable term! I shall continue to buy organic though despite the gripe. Deffo positives in there somewhere.



QUOTE (Arnold Layne @ Sep 7 2009, 10:10 AM) *
QUOTE (rubbabudbud @ Sep 6 2009, 05:45 PM) *
Now they have diluted their code why abide by their standards

I don't, myself.
I was just making the point that no indoor grown Cannabis would get a SA accreditation, regardless of compost used.

Only cos of the leccy used though?

E2A tricky phone keyboard!
BluePixie
QUOTE (rubbabudbud @ Sep 8 2009, 02:30 PM) *
Wild fish is fine if managed sustainably.


I can see your point with Salmon, as line caught could potentially be sustainable and therefore organic and should be reassuringly expensive. But for fish is general - talking wild caught at sea - I don't see that industry getting sustainable any time soon, and therefore have no problem with farming to certain standards of care as organic even if the fish aren't free to roam.

Anyway sorry to Indica Monkey for straying off-topic......
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