Hi all -

I started some " RSC Highland Thai " and " Golden Lao " seeds one month ago and decided to make my first diary with those strains , seeing there are only a few reports on those growing indoor .

I already grew some Landraces but had some problems ,essentially under/over fed,watered.
I guess I should be able to avoid this now,but I'm sure I will need some help ,so any advises or opinions will be welcome .

I started with biobizz lightmix , and they drink tap water ,ph adjusted at 6-6,5 , whith enzyms and sometime micro nutrients (Bio essential).

I have a 70cm X 35 cm X 55cm(height) homemade veg box with 3 X 18w Fluorous (only 2 when I started those seeds) , and 1m X 1m X 1,9m whith 400w Hps to flower.

Here we go!

1st august , I put 3 "Thai" and 3 " Lao" seeds in water for 24 hours , after that , I could see 1 Lao and 2 Thais seem opened . Put them in wet paper in a closed plastic box in a dark place.

48h later ,1 Lao seed had sprouted , as well as 2 thais , one of them even already showed her head out of the paper.

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I put the 3 sprouted seeds in 1L lightmix pots and let the 3 others in their plastic boxes ( 4th of august )

Cimaze

During the first days "Lao 1" & " Thai 1" showed vigor , whereas Thai 2 seemed to be a mutant and were vegging very slowly .

It seemed as I had only 2 healthy plants (I also threw the 3 others seeds as they did not sprout ) , so I decided to put in water my 2 lasting "Golden Lao " seeds off the 5 I had (11ht of august)

I used the same method and 3 days later , both had sprouted ! (The high temps and maybe too much water probably killed my seeds the first time.)
So I potted them in 1 liter pot (14th august)


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And the " mutant " Thai 1 at day 10

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Wow nice

Welcome to the site and all the best with the grow

Hi arbuscule , thank You . I will do my best !

At day 12 , as they were growing well( third set of leaves ), I put" lao 1" , "thai 1" in 12/12 box ,expecting a long stretch period.
Thai 2 is still " lazy " , Lao 2 & 3 start to grow (16th august)

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After I took those pics "Thai 1" have been a little hurted by the fan ,not sure if this is the reason why it seemed not have grown since 2 days .
It may have been the change of light (36w veg/400w flowering) .

At day 15 , as I was about to remove the mutant "Thai 2" , (which didn't do anything but 2odd sets of leaves so far) , I noticed a new set were coming so I kept it.

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Lao 2 & 3 are growing well (19th august)

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Thai 1 & Lao 1 at 15 days


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21st august , we can see clearly that "Thai 1" has wide leaves , whereas " Lao 1" has thiner leaves.

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Thai 2 definately grow normal leaves

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23rd august ,Thai 1 and Lao were repoted in 2 liters pots , cause the high temps and their big leaves make them drink a lot ,and 1 L pot was too risky , even if watered once a day.

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Lao 2 & 3 already showed a phenotype difference , Lao 3 seem to have wider leaves .(13 days)

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Thai 2 day 19

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25th august , I put the Lao 2 & 3 in the flower box , as well as Thai 2 which might need more light now .
Thai 1 et 2 seem as they liked to be repoted and seem to grow faster each day .

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27th august , I had only one real spot on my 12/12 box and I needed to find a way to put them all in it .

I also have to manage for the tops of the plants be at least at one meter from the bottom (excuz my english) , I'm growing at the moment a " dampkring mexican haze " , wich I have to fight whith for her to stay at 1,20 (about 4 ft) .
So my lamp is at its maximum height and I have to deal whith in my square meter.

SO , I find the way to put four pots (2 X2 L , 2 X 1 L) in a seven liter pots , itself in a smaller pot ,itself in a smaller pot ...feck my english !! The pics will tell you better !

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And I put that on 3 other stacked(reversed) pots in the box . Hope that make sense ...


Cimaze

At this point , it's more evident that Lao 3 has wider leaves than Lao 1 et 2 ,so it will be interressant to see 2 phenos .


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And the others at day 23


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And " Thai 2 " Day 23


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2nd september , "Thai 1",which grew normally so far , started to show some leaves deformation ,as well as a tiny preflower . ( Day 29 ,17 flowering)


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Thai 1 day 29


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It seem that " Lao 3" needs a lot of light because it develops big internodes , as " Lao 2 "didn't at the same distance from the ligth.


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Lao 2 day 19




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Lao 1 Day 29


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Thai 2 Day 29


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Some yesterday pics , in the box


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Thai 1 Day 31


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Lao 1 Day 31

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awesome Cimaze, many thanks

bot these strains are fascinating --- personally I'm especially interested to see what you find in the Golden Lao seed ---

the Golden Lao in particular are top quality pure ganja genetics, not something you will find easily these days... with the Highland Thai and Golden Lao I strongly recommend people to take clones if they can

(do you think it was probably the warmth which gave you better germ rates second time round? The Golden Lao seed is from harvest this year (2009) they should be close to 100% viable)

the good Highland Thai phenos should have a musky citrus aroma; the good Golden Lao will have a very distinctive smell like pungent sandlewood (the smell of real sandlewood is pretty pungent anyway)

looking forward to seeing how this goes --- if it was me I would veg them on 14/10... then to 12/12 after maturity... then to 10/14 for full flowering

great to see these lines being grown out

Hi namhka

For sur I will keep a clone of each of them , male or female , to reproduce and do some crosses.
I've been growing here for about 1 year and in 9/10 female I grew (different strains different breeders ) , I always found at least one male flower .

So I have to find a way to avoid stressing my plant to do serious breeding , my box being sometimes polluted by random females pollen.

I plan to find another place to do little reproduction box in which I could make seeds from different littles clones and isolate individuals for inbreeding or breeding.
Ideally I expect a non grower friend ( to avoid pollen pollution) to " lodge " them , and more ideally I should move from here for better area !!




How much ?



Cimaze

Sorry if my english is not always clear.

First 6 seeds(3 Lao ,3 Thai) were put 24h in water , then in wet paper towel , itself in a closed plastic box .

I put this plastic box on the modem for 48 whithout opening it ,after what , 2 thai and 1 lao had sprouted.

I let the 3 non-sprouted seeds in the boxes and add a little water , then let them 48 more on the modem , as outside temps were high.

So When I opened the boxes ,the paper was hot and stinky.

So I said too much warmth and too much water propably killed those seeds.

I don't doubt about seeds viability , as my 2 lasts "Golden Lao seeds" sprouted very fast and are well growing .

I just didn' t put them on the modem , let them on the desk .

Update soon


Cimaze

Love the Lao's structure.

Hey Climaze.

I'm looking forward to seeing how these turn out. Wish I had more space to try out more sativas, sooner.

I like the way you've stacked those pots - a lot safer than my piles of dvd's anyway

Are you going to keep them all un-topped?

I think your Lao 1 pheno has a similar leaf structue to my Lao ganja. I'll get another pic up on sunday.


ATB mate




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Hey subfoower ! Welcome in my diary

I think that preflowers appear faster on the main top , not sure but I already noticed that on other plants .
For that reason , I first decided to top them as late as possible .

Another reason is the fact that my lamp is at maximum height because of my 4 feet mexican haze , so I have interest for them to grow tall ( to avoid too much stacked pots ) .

And finally I 've to much plants in the box at the moment , so can't allow them to be too bushy (side branching already started though)

It will be interesting to see your Lao to compare whith mines.


look at this ! I really need them to grow ..


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6th september -

Thai 1 and Lao 1 are rooting , drinking , growing very fast so I decided they need to be repoted .

I thought 4 liter was a good deal waiting them to be sexed.

I first put the Lao 1 in his pot , and as I was about ta take a picture , I saw that

Day 33(12/12 21days)
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Not sure but I guess this little ball isn't a good sign .
I shoul'd have looked better and wait a few days more before I change the pot .
I could have easily kept the bottom of the plant in the 2l pot if it is a male , now I'll have to do cuttings in this case. ( 4lt pot being too big for my veg box)

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I didn't want to do the same mistake whith my Thai 1 plant , which already had preflowers few days ago , so I looked at it whith magnifying glass and this time I saw a pistil !!!

Thai 1 d 33 (12/12 21 days)
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She has been poted in a 7 liters pot so far , 50% lightmix(ec 1.4) / 50% allmix(ec 2.4)


-Until now they were all in lightmix , never fed , never sprayed.
The Thai 1 bottom leaves started yellowing at day 33 in the 2 liters light mix pot .

Could I have started them in Allmix from the start ?



-I also suspect Allmix (biobizz) to be high N level to use for only flowering , only what I noticed ,first time I try it whith My Nycd or sk /haze , they have stretched more longer than in lightmix with hand fert (I usually used a grow stuff in 15-20 first day of 12/12 though).

Does anybody know if I 'm right ?

Thanks anybody for any advice


Cimaze


Thai 1
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Update 9th september

I'm almost sure that my Golden "Lao 1" At day 36 (24 flowering) is a male .

Anyway I will keep a copy , this one is a vigorous nice sativa looking plant which grow fast whith medium internodes and side branches develloping despite of my poor 400 w.

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I guess "Lao 2" (day 26) is the same pheno than "Lao 1", but it's a slower veger ,vigorous though , with long thin leaves ,and side branches already appear.(untopped). It has short internode so far .
Whereas"Lao 3" is taller whit wider leaves and big internode and no side branches . I already can see 2 preflowers on "Lao 3" (day 26 ,15 days 12/12) , so I guess It will be a male to show them so early.

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And both to compare

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Thai 1 (day 36) show several pistils now , and no more leaf deformation .
My mistake has been to put her in a 7 liters pot , but I wasn't sure about allmix .
After reading some threads here , I 'm not sure it is a so bad stuff .
I should have put her in her final pot 12 or 14 liters with 100% allmix to flower.
Also side branches aren't devellopped enough for me to take cuttings !
So I hope she will still grow a little before starting to really flower

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Thai 2 (day 36) is growing very slowly but seem healthy .
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Cimaze

They are looking great.Like the thin leaves of the Lao.
Are you gonna do a seed grow too???

Namaste

Thanks Elmanito

When I bought those 2 lines ( thai et Lao ) , that's what I was searching for , a big asian landrace sativa whith long thin leaves , like this Lao .



Lao leaves .. I like the way they develop first
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And finish perfect ...
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Yes , I would like to make some seeds from those lines , to have more fresh pure seeds I could collect(preserve) and store more longer .I hope I 'll soon find a place where I can grow outside or in a greenhouse .

And make some original cross with different pure lines . I like the idea to make my own f1 hybrid.
But I would like to create/build a only reproduction space before .A flowering cupboard on on a smaller scale for example.


Cimaze

yeh - I would love to see these beauties outside or in a greenhouse... they will need Jan/Feb weather which is nice and sunny to survive outside though

this Golden Lao should develop proper "alligator tails" given the full growth space --- in Lao I think it is something like "ka haang", and it is a quality of the plants which Thai and Lao cultivators also get excited about - i.e. the phrase is one they also use to describe the leaves when they get incredibly long and jagged

some of the best ganja plants of this "alligator tail" kind in the region can have a creeper growth habit and long side branches are known to reroot themselves away from the original central stem... in discussions I have had these plants have been described as the superior kind (not the massive tall plants many Westerners remenisce about)

the broader leaves of the Highland Thai should not (I hope and pray) indicate contamination of the genetics - I know it is natural to these Mae Hong Son/Burmese lines, which are from a more northern landlocked region with lower humidity (dry air, blue skies) and lower rainfall than typical to the SE Asian region... the Highland Thai can hit 5m given the space, an asymmetrically branched monster with massive calyxes and seeds

good luck with the project Cimaze - very glad to hear you will be keeping them pure, also very excited to hear about the crosses... any thoughts what with --- green pheno HThai crosses with a pushy potent Leb would be amazing... might be impossible to breath when it hits you though haha

Great work cimaze ,

I think I'm growing highland thai also , I can't be sure be because it was bagseed but was told it was thai ,

I'm growing outdoors and my plant is about 6 ft but I had to bend it as it got too tall ,

I started covering my plant 3 weeks ago and noticed white hairs 1 week ago,

just hoping the weather hold out,

Good Growin.

Hi Dmcefc ,thank You .I whish I could have grown them outside also .
Did You taste the weed your seeds come from ?
Anyway it's pretty sure you're growing a sativa , seeing she only started to flower now .
Good luck , feel free to post a pic here

Cimaze

Thanks Namkha , nice infos!
When I see the size of the leaves in a 4 liters pot , I imagine how big they must be in their environment!
I ' ll have to wait to see the kind of bud I can expect indoor , cause I think my 3 Lao plant are male .


I have no exact idea about the crosses .I decided not to start seeds for a moment cause I have (had?)some thrips . I think it's ok now . At least in the veg box.

I would like to start some lebanese , as You advices , but my lack of light and height in my veg box make difficult to grow plants that need a long vegetative period,and I should end with 30 cm plants at the best unless I find a stretchy pheno . Not a real problem if only for breeding though.

I also have in mind to start some Nigerian seeds , said to be a pretty fast flowering and short sativa , to cross whith Thai and Lao . Not sure what to expect but the best way to know is to try . Anyway 100% sativa homemade f1 sound great to me.

And finally , I also have a short statured pure afghan male I keep since last year , cause it was in addition to be the more vigorous individu , the only one of the batch who smelled like (duth coffeshop) afghan hash .
He was just starting growing well after reveged , when thrips came.
So after I will take some sain cuts of it and let only 1 or 2 low branches , it will be isolated to release some pollen and will probably dust my Highland thai in early flowering.



Cimaze

Update

Lao 1 (1,15m) , definite male, has been removed from the cupboard 2 days ago .
I will still wait 1 or 2 days but I think my" Lao 2 & 3" , as well as the "thai 2 "are males.
So next time I will try to give better conditions to the seedlings I will start . I mean bigger pots to avoid under and over watering (see Lao 2) ,and more compost .

Pictures 14th september
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Cimaze

After the following pics , Thai 1 , the female , has been poted in a 14 liters pot with allmix , still stretching (1m10) , still no sign of buds formation , should top her soon .

Pictures 14th september day 41 (12/12 29 days)

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Cimaze

I don't know how to upload pics on this site but I have a grow log on cannabis.com in the outdoor section (my single plant outdoor grow (bagseed) ). same user name.

The smoke was not that good you had to smoke a lot to get a high , but because it had been seeded that probably took the potency away , it was very leafy with loads of seeds and bits of cotton in it.

I also have a clone which is not being covered and that hasn't started to flower yet so I am glad I started covering my plant, otherwise I would of had a flowering plant in winter, so hopefully harvest will be a bit earlier.

Does anyone know if this strain is more prone to hermi?. this is what I have heard.

Good Growin.

dmcefc

why do you want to post about some crap plant on this thread???

your crap plant is not RSC genetics and people browsing through this thread are likely to think you are talking about RSC Highland Thai

if you want to do a grow report about The Real Seed Company strains on here, then you're very welcome

Thanks,

Namkha

nice atmosphere on here (not),

I haven't got a grow report on this site 'numb nuts'.

peace out

Hi
It 's not impossible that your plant is thai , however ,as Namkha already said there are several strains in thailand depending the area and climate . And probably several sources in the same area.
So when after talking about your plant ,You ask a question about this strain in a " RSC Highland Thai " thread , I agree it can be confusing .
And not in a good way seeing what you told about the smoke of your strain ...


Cimaze

Apologies if I seem hostile mate, it's just I've taken big personal risks to get hold of the strains RSC sells, and it also matters to me that people know RSC genetics are top end and fully authentic

You can make a grow report about your bagseed on other forums on this site, nothing is stopping you

Good luck with the grow

So let's continue in a good atmosphere now

The 3 Golden Lao plants have been removed from the box (males) , ready for cuttings.
So for my first try with this lines I only had males of 3 plants (5seeds) , will try to do better next time.

Thai 2 the male is still in the box .
I would like to see if it's a green or purple pheno , not sure if it's possible to see it on male flower though.
I think of dusting my NYdiesel foxtailing pheno((+90d) whith Highland thai pollen.This pheno have an amazing taste , pretty big calyxes and leaves turn red , purple at the end of flowering . Very good resin production also.
And the most important ,this pheno never shown me a male flower.
I could expect from this cross a big calyxes strain , maybe some colored individus ... , but I also should expect a long flowering time , and more variation than in a pure in a pure f1 hybrid , NYcd being a non stabilised strain , right?
This cross could also show me if this mutant thai have a breeding interest.

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I took some cuttings of the female Thai 1 . I took 3 of the developed lowers branches . After that it seems there will be nothing on at least the first 50 cm of the plant .
She has grow pretty fast so the bottom of the plant quicly lacked of light .
So I will try to avoid topping her , should make some space in the box to bend her to let side branches develop and keeping the main top . some leaves deformation appear again

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I just started 3 other "Golden Lao" seeds , and 3 "Pahari farmhouse"


Cimaze

Good luck with the high thai i'm vbery interested in these genetics. I was thinking of crossing the lebs with the high thai but my seeds didn't pop so it wasn't meant to be I popped some of PW's moonshine instead. I'll have to get some more thai when funds permit it and get the project on the go again.

Trippy