as title says i spotted that caveman bat guano in oxfam window today, £5.99 for 650gram buy 1 get one free

couldnt resist and looking at the website i reckon 1.3kg for 6quid is a bargain

is it a good product and is it worth me mixing a bit with the compost at the start or should i wait and start using it during flower with biobizz bloom

cheers
just noticed 1000th post shame atleast 999 were newb questions but big thanks for all the help along the way especially 1 member who i dont see much on here at the mo but u know who u are and if u reading this then thanks for all the help without you i would probly still be buying soap every pay day

Congrats on the 1000th post windowsilllowryder, Where have you been?
There is loads of info on caveman, he was a member here, have a search around

cheers pots, i had no internet for a long while so got used to not being on here. i thought i had seen stuff about cave man on here before thats why i took a chance and bought some.

i did a search and only came up with 1 post with only a couple of replies so thought i would ask th question
will go look him up in members and read his posts to hopefully get some info on the bat poo

incase i have no joy though whats the generall 420 feeling about this stuff?...usefull?...amazingly good?...utter overhyped shite?

I think it raised a moral question? more than anything else but have a read around.

I bought some from my Oxfam and it was half price & a bog off - it's the high notrogen stuff though. Put some on the lawn and it's looking like Wembley now.

Was certainly a heated debate at times

It says something like 25% organic matter, what does that mean? Is it an organic product?
It also says it's composed of some other stuff, including insect remains. Is this the composition for all Bat Guano products?

Its probably carapace,chitin,undigestable insect remains that pass through the bats system,just hazzarding a guess,probably wrong though,isnt this stuff sourced from indonesia?The organic matter could be anything as most bats apart from fish eating(which also take small amphibians) and fruit bats are insectivors

I know. I imagine insect remains would be in bat Guano, but it's the 25% thing I don't get. Is the rest organic matter? Just curious. Seems the farming methods these people use, respects the bat's way of life, therefore shouldn't be detrimental to their habitat. If not, I wouldn't buy it.

Purely in terms of growing, its a usefull and effective product; of that there is no doubt.
But I'm intrigued by the "25% organic" thing. What does that mean, indeed?
Mind you, I'd question its claim to be organic, given its been transported half way round the world. Footprint - Large! Which is why some of us prefer to source our products nearer to home, and wouldn't buy the guano at all. But that's just my personal view, and as I said, purely in terms of growing, yes, its good and you can use it as per the instructions.

Hmm, the footprint thing is always a debate in the organics issue. It's also quite difficult to gauge how much worse, if at all, it is to have a huge container filled with the stuff and shipped, with some of the proceeds going to what seems a good cause, than it is to have many smaller nationwide deliveries of a product which lines the pockets of the people who make many commercially available composts, and who may also invest in projects which do further damage to the environment, for example.

If you debate the ethics of the thing, it becomes a long chain which you can follow right to the end, and often find some unpleasant things you didn't know where connected to stuff you initially thought had a smaller footprint.

I should imagine that refers to the chemical analysis of the product , 25% being organic matter the rest being made up of inorganic elements like calcium, manganese, etc, etc.

Papaduc, I was not intending to open up a debate, far from.

Was it!

I must of missed that one

Surely not

I just brought a kilo and got a not with it saying there closing down and selling for 75p per kilo!

Oxfam or Caveman's ?

Cavemans. Just contacted them the deal is only when you buy a 20kg sack.

How did you contact them? Oxfam? Or caveman's themselves?