let's start off with the Lebanese.. it's the fastest of the plants, I wasn't planning on growing them this season because I have some plans and I didn't want to waste too many seeds, somehow the seed must have fell while I was carrying some plants outside...

It started flowering in mid-late june.. I guess it just completed it's second week of flowering, entering it's Third... it might not be the fastest of the lebanese but it should be done by late september ( really done, red over blonde )

no real smell so far

the leaves are really thin, the yield might be better than I expected, it's height can't be much higher than 80cm to 1 meter.

somehow the seed must have fell while I was carrying some plants outside...

that would be one for the books if the devils rath snooped upon you..
they must of fell outa my pocket yr honour

ive got some lebs on the go outdoors,they smell great dont they?lookin good

yeah, and the craziest thing is it's the truth haha... I was surprised to find the plant growing next to corn, I moved it to my weed patch.


so far I can't really detect any smells, even rubbing the stems it doesn't smell like anything

I've got a leb kinda like that coming up to 6 weeks ...amazing smell when you touch a bud, really hits you with .over ripe mango. Seriously sweet pungent smell...

Burningfire, this is really starting to get on my tits mate ---- along with a lot of other people reading this I am wondering:

how can you possibly know that this plant is an RSC Lebanese?


you've posted a pic of a ropey runty sativa with no smell and you're telling every one it is an RSC Lebanese

are you ok with sacrificing my seeds' reputation and also accuracy in the name of your "gut instinct" --- I am not

conjectures are conjectures, facts are facts --- please keep the two separate, especially when it involves stock I've taken great risks to get hold of

I have no problem with people posting up negative experiences with RSC seeds, as long as they know it is my seeds they are using --- not when they've just made a random guess

please do post pics of the Sheberghan and the Nepalese, I would love to see them

but only post pics of Lebanese which you know are Lebanese, not some random plant which has popped up in your garden - please!

well, I've never had any feral sativas pop up in my garden before... I live in the suburbs and I've yet to have this happen to me.

if you want to modify the thread title and remove the lebanese that is fine with me, but there's nothing else that fits the bill. since all I have left are long season sativas

it's still young, yesterday night I went to get a smell and there's something brewing in there which i can't describe. Olivier said he had something similar growing as well.


If you would prefer I don't refer to this plant as a lebanese I'm fine with this.

My plant is defo RSC..very sativa like but has its differences to yours. There seems to be a bit of diversity in the lebs but common to them all is the tight nodes and extreme vigour. Of the 2 phenos i have, 1 smells light n citrusy. The other smells like willy wonka making jam in the buds.

how long have they been in flowering? I imagine the smell will come through in a few weeks for mine, I went back to my patch and i'm getting the fruity bubblegum smell.

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Just starting week 6 tomorrow

got any pics oliver m8?
what hydro system are you growing in?

I'm using 6 pot bubbler buckets with a 7th bucket as resSat pheno @ 4 weeks

Hi Olivier, that link doesn't seem to be working, thanks

I'll take a few @ lights on instead of linking to a 2 week old pic.. Must admit i'm really intrigued now.. Do you know roughly how long they take to finish Namkha?

On another note: 2 of my 5 Highland Lao seeds are cracking... at least a week since i started germing them! I bet you thought i'd given up

Moral of the tale...
Patience

The indica pheno @ 4 weeks

oops

The sat pheno @ 4 weeks

New pics in a few hours...

Hi Olivier,

Yes, they are quite "sativa" looking aren't they, maybe I will have to eat my words for having a go at Burningfire (sorry burningfire I have been on a short fuse --- tenants got us evicted right after my card went off)

I'm worried those leaves are too green, and that you will be getting nute build up in the buds, or worse still you will get an explosion of male flowers later from pushing the nutes too hard... I think this happened to Leroy, if I remember right, he got excited at how well the plant was growing, kept on feeding, and had it "hermie" on him later.... whereas Matsi got a nice yield and good buds from mild compost and just water...

How long do they take to finish Namkha?

I have two, about 3 weeks into flower (link in signature). One of them is very dark green - all they have had in terms of feed is 5ml per litre of Plant Magic Catalyst as a weekly foliar feed. Do you think I should be worried about this one hermying?



Matsi harvested his first one at 52 days if I remember correctly Olivier.


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Taking the pic with a phone makes them look greener than they really are... fingers crossed.
I did try to pollinate them with some Highland Thai pollen so lets hope any seeds are Special

Starting week 6 today

looks great oliver.

one thing i cant get used to yet is the dropiness of the leafs, all strains i've grown so far have had leaves fully erect.

Cheers m8. When a sat loses turgidity it looks limp and frail with the leaf stalk hanging down (like any dehydrated plant i guess)... definitely different to the normal droop of a long fingered sativa

yeh it must be, evey pic i see of anyones lebs are always the same.
although im sill vegging my lebs, there sex got to be due to show very soon, but at the moment im looking for a mother, coz i got a couple of other strains lined up before i'll have a crack at the lebs.
im in hydro to, nft infact.

here's another picture, I can't go around taking pictures of the full plant, I'd have to set myself up for the shot and I don't want to risk it...

to the left of it is one of the squat nepalese, I think it's a female, I'll take pics later in flowering. I just had to pull 3 chitrali males.. 3 out of 3, I'm a bit bummed, so I put another seed to germinate in a hurry, at least I might be able to get some smoke and reveg it

same goes for the sheberghan, I think the two of them are male... although i'm not sure and hope they're not I'll put two other seeds to germ

edit : I forgot to add that the smells I'm getting are sweet/fresh/fruity , just like olivier said, I Can't really narrow it down but it's very fresh and sweet.

That plant looks really sparse. As I said the RSC Lebs are anything but... but who knows. Personally i doubt it's a RSC Leb simply because the node spacing on them is exeptionally small. All the Leb phenos ive seen are DENSE. Regardless of sativa or indica likeness they are BUSHY and vibrant... The indica pheno is mad with growth too. Both plants look as though they couldnt even fit any more branches.

One pheno is fresh but sure smells like bud... the other STINKS! SWEET. EXTREMELY SWEET!
Maybe your pic doesnt show enough but to me it seems very sparse and waaaay too early.
I realise now its outside and you probably dont know when it germed

If you cant tell(sex) for sure dont trust your eyes just from vegging. I vegged nearly 8 weeks and sex only showed up after a week or two of flowering.
Saying that i just got a microscope and can now see my white widow is close to finishing and the Leb aint far off but the trichomes are still mainly clear.
I'd love to know how long it takes from milky trichs to amber cos i wanna fit in a flush!!

im not doubting you here oliver, obviously its what you've seen with your lebs.
lights are off now, but tomorrow i'll take a picture of my 3 lebs, 2 are exactly what you say, the nodes are tightly spaced and the plants are short, but the 3rd lebs internodes are probably 2" apart and is quite abit taller then the other two.
personally im a little sceptical myself if burnfires plant is a leb, but i do have two different types here that i would say leans toward the indica plant.

well, it started flowering in mid july, I've got nothing that is autoflowering, I know it's not feral, it grew outdoors and had short nodes, it has stretched to 1.5m now in flowering. It's probably not the best example of the RSC lebanese but we've only seen a couple of phenos.. like 5 out of .. what.. hundred, this is what you get when you grow seeds collected on the fields ( they may be farmed but at this scale, population control is impossible )


it's very sweet smelling, something citrus in there as well.

but peep this

this seems like a better example of the sativa phenotypes in lebanese lines, this is from esbe's lines

early on



later , nice and full


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Interesting..I'd love to see your pheno Spank.
Some of those look really hazy
If theres that much variation ts probably well worth cracking quite a few beans to find a mother/father.. and if they're all quick finishers a cross with a Thai might retain the look but speed up flowering and ncrease yeild!

Very interesting

Hi Burningfire

like Olivier, I have serious doubts that it is an RSC Lebanese

comparing the RSC Lebanese to the lines from Bluehemp and the Leb 27 in Denmark is not straightforward

there are two likely, but uncertain factors at play:

firstly, both those other Leb lines have been acclimatised to Northern European outdoor conditions for many, many years

by contrast the RSC Lebanese is a first generation Lebanese, 100% heirloom genetics

and equally crucially, the RSC Lebanese is the type of plant which is grown in the high mountains of Mount Lebanon to produce the best Lebanese hashish (cf. Russell Pasha, quoted in this forum)

whereas with the Bluehemp and Leb 27 lines, it is hard to know where in Lebanon they were collected --- for example, were they from plants being grown down in Beeka Valley itself, on the base of the valley?

traditionally (though not always, of course) the type of plant grown on the valley floor itself in Lebanon is a larger and less refined plant, which produces a coarser, less impressive quality of hashish

with RSC lines the collectors do everything they can to source the seeds from the very best examples of a regional type, we don't just grab any old seeds, we make sure they are from high-end lines

Burningfire --- your plant looks pretty Indian to me I've got to say

when I said feral sativa, I mean feral like jungli --- not feral in your native enviro, but a feral/jungli line you have been working with

the internode spacing and leaf shape and habit don't look too Lebanese to me --- I can't imagine a desert strain with that kind of internode spacing and the perky up-pointing leaves yours has

could some seeds from your jungli projects have dropped there?

interested to see how it goes though

how about the Nepalese and Sheberghan, they doing well?

the only indian genetics I have are the keralas, I still have 12 seeds out of the 12 I ordered, I've got 10 lebanese left from the first freebies I got.
I have no jungli seeds either. I don't know if you've seen dubi's grow before the links were removed but it is nearly identical. the smells are just incredible right now, 10 days ago i couldn't smell much from it but now it's incredibly sweet and refined. honestly, everything tells me this is a leb.

anyway, I'll try and update this thread when then nepalese and sheberghan start flowering, one of the shiberghan looks to be male, the other one which split in half hasn't declared sex yet so I think it might be female and I've seen some pre-flowers on one of the shorter nepalese. I've left a few branches on two of the chitrali males, hopefully they'll drop their pollen before the 'Lebanese' is done flowering and pollenate the nepalese and sheberghan as well.

Hey burningfire I had 36 lebs on the go till I pulled a bunch yesterday and none of them even looked close to that plant that you have going there......mine are showing at least 4 phenotypes.....some have very narrow leaves and some have wider leaves but the growth structure on all of them is the same.......totally different from your plant......strange shit.....

here the two different pheno's i got out of the 3 i germmed.
first is both together....doh!
second photo is the taller one, third is the shorter one, they are not the best pics, coz im no david bailey, but you can see the difference with the internode spacing.
sex is not showing yet, the third leb i have is short like the short one in the photo, as you can see they are more indica.

All 3 of those look very similar and what i'd expect an RSC Leb to look like but they look nowhere near Burningfire's Leb.
I vegged for nearly 2 months and they literally exploded after a week of 12/12 so i'd expect yours to do the same. The buds arent huge (apart from the main cola) but they are dense and not nearly as whispy as Burningfire's example. I think i can safely say your plant with the largest node spacing will not grow like his.

yeh they deffo dont look like burnfires, though mine are all similar except the tallness of that one.

here's a pic from july 23 , july was an extremely rainy month, too much rain for my radishes. It might have something to do with what the plant looks like


I should have taken a better picture but you can see the internodes are close, it just stretched like mad

the taller one as finally showed its sex...and its a female.

heheh interesting stuff --- well, for now I will be refering to it as Burningfire's "mystery plant", not Burningfire's "Lebanese"

no sweat, okay, here's some more pics of my 'mystery' plant this is a side branch, btw

shitty pics but i can't set up a shot without it being too suspicious hah..

here's a bad picture of the squat/indica nepalese. I topped it twice, had to, I wish i didn't have to but I had to restrict it's height..

I've got two stretchy nepalese as well, one has leaves as wide as the squat one and the other has slimmer leaves but it's not that far along.
it's quite similar to the purple chitral I had next to it, leaves are similar but aroma wise there's no funk/skunk to it.. it's not as pungent so far. I've pruned some veg from the nep and once dried it smells like carrots, that peppery plastic mango spiciness, I assume it will become fruitier as flowering progresses.


I really can't take a good pic at the moment, after a few weeks of flowering i'll take a pic of the flowers and then wait until harvest to take a good full plant picture.

well, the two sheberghans I had turned out to be male, I'll rip them out soon.. I've started another seed along with a chitrali , in hope of getting some smoke this season... slim chances but if they turn out female don't expect anything more than tiny plants. the two sativa nepalese haven't shown sign of sex yet.. the indica nepalese has a few more pistils but nothing worth taking a picture of.. maybe in 2-3 weeks.

excellent description Burningfire - tells me a lot about it, and great to hear, pretty well exactly what I would expect - nice

the source of this Nepalese makes very high quality sieved Nepalese --- he was emphatic that the shorter type of plants were the desirable ones... I think you'll find they will smell increasingly hashy with time

either way, the aromas should develop nicely, looking forward to the reports during flowering, let's hope they can ripen up enough in time

alright, here's my "mystery" plant again.. the "lebanese"

it's filling up nicely, doesn't it look pretty? 1.50m, it reaches up to my chin. it still smells like orange peels, I feel it will get much deeper as time goes on.


I've left a branch on two short stinky ( skunky ) chitrali males, hopefully they'll drop their pollen on this one ( and the squat nepalese ) I Really think it could produce a nice cross to turn into a landrace sativa for northern growers. I'm not sure if i'll keep one of the sheberghan males to get some more pollen in.. but i might wait to see results and add diversity next year. either way, i've kept clones of all my plants, they rooted in my dwc bubbler with no real trouble.

close up

Nice Plant

it's pretty, but I'm still not convinced it is a Lebanese

I wasn't too convinced since you expressed your doubt about it but pip's lebanese seems to be quite tall as well

http://www.uk420.com/boards/index.php?show...t&p=1890391

A very pretty girl! Interesting that you have single blades coming out of such young looking buds. The larger more indica pheno i have has quite a few but only from the main cola (untopped). The shorter christmas tree sativa buds are very different too.. pistils that look like a mad afro on fat buddage.
Very interesting phenos.. Should cure out into some lovely smelling / tasting stuff... i hope

full shot of the nepalese, I topped it twice, it is quite bushy. it stands at about 1.50m.

aromas are still delicate and spicey and as described earlier. green mango, myrcene, carrots.