Just a quick note, I know a lot of members are asking about organic nutrients? PM asked me last autumn what I would want if I could have a fully organic fertiliser made for me, I said a bloom with a good enough balance of npk so I did not need to mess with mixing grow and bloom ferts during flowering or to need adding Mg, made in the uk eventually it came to a mix close to what I asked for, I did a side by side useing 5 different clone lines.

I was more than happy with the way the plants grew and their health, nothing between PM organic and biobizz’s by looks.

The yield results on the PM bloom fert against bb’s grow and bloom mix I usually use PM produced more bud over all, some vars were 14.4% up others only 6.8% but the average overall was just over a 10% increase in yield against my normal bb ferts.

Blind smoke testing is underway, so fully organic nutrients are being developed, they may need tweaking, if so it will be several months more, it takes time doing this, they will happen, it may be weeks or months.

Just letting you know it is being worked on and developing nicely at this moment in time.

Nice one!

That's good to know Ot, i must admit i do like the simplicity of just using bloom, would be interested in giving these a go when they're ready, not so fussed about the yields but no one's gonna turn down an increase are they!


Best of luck with em

Sounds real good......

Cant wait

sounds promising . impressed with PM's products so far, so some organic nute which compete with BioBizz with as good results or better made in the uk will get my buisness. saves buying more stuff if comes in 1. will be watching arnolds diary using the new products too, so may go the PM way if results are good once ive used up my BioBizz.

will be keepin an eye on things, good luck with it


dan

Eggshellent

Nice one, over the moon to hear these are in the 'testing' phase!

As has been said, can't go wrong by sounds of it, British made organic nutrient that seems to exceed biobizz's product!

Fantastic plant magic, well done for putting the effort in for all us Percy growers!

this sounds good, always like buying british

how did it compare re amount needed? ( in ml per feed ). obviously without knowing a price yet theres no cost comparison

That's excellent news - what are they gonna be made from/based on (molasses etc.....) or is that a trade secret?

There were no instruction so I played it by ear, ie how the plants looked, I used 4 ml per litre at peak and ended with 1 or 2 ml per l in the last couple of weeks. I wish I had more bloom to play further, the grow version is pretty dam good as well, I have been useing it for mother plants and the like.

I know it is made in the uk and as far as I know most if not all of its ingredients are resourced from within the uk. Bloom is 3:5:4 and grow is 5:3:3 unlike most organic fertilisers the nutrients are in a plant/root ready form.

edit for BP, Don't know, both grow and bloom smell like molasses is in the make up, could be wrong on this, but I beleive its all plant derived, they are thin not gloopy.

Thanks for the info, looking forward to getting that!

I'm interested in your above quote on the nutrients being available in a plant ready form.

I know your busy but any chance you could give me a quick summary of how that works please mate. I'm finding it hard to put into words what I mean by "works"? I think I just mean how does it come about, like how do they naturally get the nutrient ready form?

I only ask because I always thought that synthetic fertilisers were in a plant ready form and organic was more about feeding the soil and in that process the nutrients are broken down and bonded into a plant/root ready form, so just wondering maybe why other organic ferts are in a none plant ready format if it's possible to do? Are there added benifits to both ways?

Maybe I'm not asking the right question there and maybe that's a lot of work to do to type it out as well. I might be better off pestering Plant magic for the info really shouldn't I?

Thanks in advance.

Ok something like comfrey juice has 0.12% N 0.055% P and 0.86% K it is all in an immediately available form to plant roots and and leaves, the composting of leaves and stalks in a container means that the bacteria and fungi have already broken down the plant tissue to a black juice containing the nutrients.

Dried blood, approx 13% N, 1% P 0.60 K is a little slower but stimulates the micro heard once wet in soil which in turn release its nutrients within a few hours to plant useable forms, in fact the micro heard can break down the blood proteins so fast as ammonia that it can burn delicate plant roots.

On the other hand bone meal while it holds round 3.5 to 4 N 17 to 20 P and no K it is very slow, taking months to years for it all to be released in plant usable forms.

All feed the soil and in turn the micro heard.

I asked PM for a liquid fertiliser with more readily available N:P:K than has been normal, it may well have more slower N:P:K reserves that will break down more slowly and in fact I’m sure it does. One of the reasons people are liking bb’s fish mix is it has readily plant available NPK that can be absorbed directly by plant roots and foliage, we don’t know what the fish N:P:K that is immediately available to plants is, as the 6:2:4 they quote is the potential N:P:K reserve the fertiliser holds, it may take months before all is all finally broken down to a usable plant form.

The PM fertiliser shows what is immediately available to plants not its eventual potential, it still feeds and supports the micro heard. Just as seaweed extracts do, seaweed extracts also have immediately available nutrients and trace elements.

Hope this helps Ot1.

General hydroponics do an organic range that is what you call "root ready". Bio-sevia i think it's called. Apprently the nutes are easily assimilated by the roots, and don't need to be broken down by the soil. They are also thin not gloopy. Havn't used them, but thought about it for coco, as i don't want to use normal oragnics on coco with no micro herd to break it all down.

When i was growing on soil, i allways used biobizz grow, i really liked the fact you could use it all the way through flowering, as i found all my plants nearly needed extra N in flower. Didn't really rate the biobloom though, didn't have the ommph i was after, so i moved over to bio-canna flores, and stuck with the biogrow. They worked really well together.

I'd be interested in these plant magic nutes, if like the bio-sevia, they can be used on coco, as i don't bother with soil anymore. Any ideas on if they can be used that way?

Solidopc, I trialled Bio-sevia read here!

Sorry some pics went missing on a board upgrade but the work is still valid. Bio-sevia is a good fertiliser, but it is very gloopy with lots of sediment, it blocks a medium rose before a can is half empty.

I don't have a clue how PM's organic fertiliser would do in coir, I can only report on what I have found in compost.

That's funny, they say it's thin so won't cause blockages in hydro setups in some write ups i've seen. If they are thick i'd stick with my biogrow and biocanna flores. Not sure about adding those two to coco though. I know a fella who does, but i'm not convinced.

Also they recommend useing their micro heard inoculant to be added to coco and compost to release the nutrients in the fertiliser, if used with hydro they sell a filter the nutrient is pumped through for the micro heard to live in.

Fishmix immediately available --- 2.1 - 0.2 - 6.6

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'Liberated' from an Irish grow shop website a while back. I've got a couple of other interesting biobizz docs if you think they are worth posting......


e2a - re the Plantmagic organics did you any tweaks and the end of flower to lower P + up K as you advise with Biobizz......

Awesome news and as much as i like biobizz i would much prefer something more local, can't wait to have a go with this and hopefully there soil when that's eventually sorted as well.

Just out of curiosity: With these nutrients being in immediately available form, would they be suitable for using in neat coco as well? Seing as there's no microherd in neat coco and these nutes don't seem to require one, my sense of logic tells me it might be done. But what do I know, I'm just thinking out loud here. I'm curious whether these nutes might be suitable for coco growers looking to use organic nutes as opposed to non-organic coco nutes. It might be a stupid question, as Plant Magic have their own coco nute range, so I reckon they know best, but I'm just curious is all

Ok all the smoke reports are back, 12 testers with 5 vars a and b of each ie 120 samples, it was a blind test the questions were which do you prefer to smoke, sample a or sample b or can tell no difference. All in all, people mostly likes the pm bud best, making comments like this is a bit sweeter or tastier, but some could tell no difference, all of them smoke my bud all the time and were picked because they do not use tobacco.

7 preferred biobizz out of 7 pairs
20 could tell no difference out of 20 pairs
33 preferred plant magics organic out of 33 pairs

This was mainly a taste, aroma and smoothness of smoke test. All pretty much thought a's and b's were on par potency wise when asked.

In answer to one of the questions, I don't know how the PM organic fertilisers would work in coir, I was asked what I would like out of an organic fertiliser if I could choose to have a fertiliser made just for me. I have this bee in my bonnet that says nutrients that plants have selected from the soil naturally are always reselected first when they become available to plants again, a chemist would probably say this is a load of bull.

So all the materials in this fertiliser supplying its nutrients and trace elements, are 100% made from vegetable plant extracts and proteins there are zero animal, fish and mineral chemical inputs. It is 100% made from organic EU Regulation approved ingredients, mainly sourced from the uk.

Heya , , for the cannabis plant ?
Sounds like good stuff does anyone no how much this is going to retail at ? i wasnt impressed with Biobizz on my Toms .

Those results sound just the ticket ot1 i just hope they can get them sorted and into the market place soon to use fingers x.

Interesting results indeed The Plant Magic product range is really coming along. Great stuff Smoking neat is the way to go, IMHO. It depends on if you smoke tobacco in the first place, of course. I kicked that habit more or less exactly one year ago. The trick was smoking lots of weed for the first few days, neat of course

Nice one PM

I'm leaning towards swapping from my trusty Biobizz having read this thread and considered it carefully

I love the idea of a quality organic feed made in the uk - less transport miles invoved which surely makes it more 'organic'

Sorry, - loving the Plant Magic products I've tried so far and I'm going to try some recently aquired BioSilicon and Boost in a coupla weeks Most impressed with the Essence and Granules over last year or so, wouldn't be without em. And the Yukka stuff makes the Essence spread lovely, no more drippy run-off and splatter marks on the leaves after spraying

e4 slight coherence and removal of a rogue stray bracket

any news yet?

When is it out? Wana try it..


DDoc

Ditto
I am almost out of biobizz grow, would prefer to keep it British

Thanks for all the lovely comments.

As for a release date, unfortunately we do not have one in mind at present, we have alot of products that we would love to launch, but our primary thing at this stage is to get shops to stock the Plant Mangic range, so if anyone here pops in to their local shop please be sure to mention our range to them

I will be sure to keep you all informed as to the progress with all of our products awaiting a launch date

Sounds awesome im deffo going to try them out when they come out :]

I have being doing so already, was even in London and couldn't seem to find anyone that sold any of your products there. I wanted the granules at the time for an overdue re-pot. I'll order them along with the essence kit from Greens. Like the idea of these organic nutes a lot, will they be available in hard and softwater specific versions too?

"e2a - re the Plantmagic organics did you any tweaks and the end of flower to lower P + up K as you advise with Biobizz...... "

I'm curious about that too.