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TartanToker
Hi guys, I'm seeking advice on behalf of a good friend of mine who has just been diagnosed with osteoporosis at the age of 27, We believe she has suffered from it since age 21 but the doc's fobbed her off for years with a mis-diagnosis which was blamed on her weight during pregnancy which caused her pelvis to get pushed out so was diagnosed with pelvis inflammatory diesease, It wasnt until she collapsed and was rushed to hospital in a very poor way that it was correctly diagnosed as having a B12 deficancy which has caused her nerves to be damaged and caused the osteoporosis which is so advanced its like someone who has had it for 25 years.

She is also due to be tested for celiacs, With I believe a small camera put down her throat, Her blood test returned negative but apparantly it's quite common for the blood test to return a false reading.


My friend has tried cannabis before during her younger years but it didn't really float her boat, However now she asks me to get advice from you guys as to whether cannabis could ease her misery a little and make life a little easier for her.

At the moment her medications include.. amitrypline , tramidol , baclofen , tamazepam , paracetomol as well as protien drinks , calcichew , multi vits and regular b12 jabs, Although in the last 6 years through mis-diagnosis she has been on high strength painkillers.

Her quality of life at the moment is mediocre at best and it's a crying shame for her as she is a keen music lover and has always enjoyed clubbing and concerts but she is restricted to a life indoors now as her condition restricts her so much that she is unable to even dress and bathe herself.

Will cannabis help or hinder her quality of life? During her cycle of the above medication she feels terrible with nausea, tensed up muscles, serious loss of sleep and appetite issues.

Thankyou from myself and my friend for any help and advice that you can kindly offer.

TT

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Arnold Layne
It may help with the pain, only testing it will tell for certain. For some it acts as an analgesic, for others it doesn't. So she's going to have to "suck it and see" sort of thing.
It should help relax muscles and lift her mood though, and that is a great gain when you've a chronic pain condition like that.
Deffinately worth her trying it out.
Scribb|e
My best wishes to your friend... wink1.gif

Cannabis may well help with mood and paid, as Arnie mentioned - I see that she's also on protein drinks and one of the things to go with coeliacs is appetite, which weed often helps with, too. thumbsup.gif
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ocimonogre
I have seen the NG documentary about researches made in israel. One of the main use of cannabis in the trials was the treatment of ostheoporosis. Do not ask me, however, the actual benefits and the specific treatment. They seemd to use for the trials a kind of pollen.....
I am really sorry for you friend. Nobody deserves that at that age. It really sucks.

Now I am going to try marjiuana reconsidered (it's a book) to see if it has good advices on the use of cannabis.
You can try and search for the NG documentary your self. Maybe it is listed in Youtube.

good luck!
tokentoker
sad.gif Another unfortunate suffering at the hands of closed minded physicians..

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Will cannabis help or hinder her quality of life? During her cycle of the above medication she feels terrible with nausea, tensed up muscles, serious loss of sleep and appetite issues.


My mum says a big fat yes. a mix of tramidol, panadol and I think something called endoz or endep or both caused her to have the exact same symptoms. she lost her appetite so bad she only weighs 43kg (she should be 60)

She has ditched tramidol and the other pills (except panadol) for marijuana and she has been fine. However, she also takes gabbapentin with panadol about 8 times a day (I think thatś what it is called.. might be pentingabba lol.gif, when she was on morph she kept mixing it up so I don't remember..) While she can't work anymore she still enjoys a pretty healthy social life.. for a woman her age I guess.. mind you, all her friends smoke too. Most do because they have similar health problems, the others do just for old times sake (they come from a town near nimbin - if you've heard of nimbin, you'll know what i'm talking about lol.gif)

all I know is that if cannabis works as an analgesic for your friend, yes her life will be so much better smile.gif

On a further note, if she is worried about her lungs she doesn't have to smoke it.. but and I know I prob sound like a broken record but, my mum was diagnosed with emphesema (yeah I can't spell it) 10 years ago and she had her chest checked last month and it hadn't even grown further. Doc was dumbfounded lol.gif (and yes she does know my mum smokes..) interesting isn't it? ...unless my mum was lying to me so I didn't worry.. oh great.. ....sad.gif
ocimonogre
QUOTE (tokentoker @ Aug 8 2009, 11:31 AM) *
sad.gif Another unfortunate suffering at the hands of closed minded physicians..

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Will cannabis help or hinder her quality of life? During her cycle of the above medication she feels terrible with nausea, tensed up muscles, serious loss of sleep and appetite issues.


My mum says a big fat yes. a mix of tramidol, panadol and I think something called endoz or endep or both caused her to have the exact same symptoms. she lost her appetite so bad she only weighs 43kg (she should be 60)

She has ditched tramidol and the other pills (except panadol) for marijuana and she has been fine. However, she also takes gabbapentin with panadol about 8 times a day (I think thatś what it is called.. might be pentingabba lol.gif, when she was on morph she kept mixing it up so I don't remember..) While she can't work anymore she still enjoys a pretty healthy social life.. for a woman her age I guess.. mind you, all her friends smoke too. Most do because they have similar health problems, the others do just for old times sake (they come from a town near nimbin - if you've heard of nimbin, you'll know what i'm talking about lol.gif)

all I know is that if cannabis works as an analgesic for your friend, yes her life will be so much better smile.gif

On a further note, if she is worried about her lungs she doesn't have to smoke it.. but and I know I prob sound like a broken record but, my mum was diagnosed with emphesema (yeah I can't spell it) 10 years ago and she had her chest checked last month and it hadn't even grown further. Doc was dumbfounded lol.gif (and yes she does know my mum smokes..) interesting isn't it? ...unless my mum was lying to me so I didn't worry.. oh great.. ....sad.gif


My mum is australian!!!
She transferred to italy 40 years ago, for love smile.gif

This oct-nov we are going to pay visit ti the relatives in the down under and I am really planning on moving there:)

How things are going in the down under???

Sorry about the intrusion but I couldn't resist mate biggrin.gif

Regards
Girogio

PS: I tried a personal message but no luck
adarkplace
It will certainly help with tensed up muscles. I have back and neck pain which I have had for about 10 years.
If I don't have a doobie for a few weeks I get progressively worse and in more pain, but after 1 doobie I am loose and pain free for several days.

I can't believe the government are still managing to outlaw this! It works fantastically as a medicine, well for me anyway.
I'm afraid I can't help with effectiveness of particular strains(thanks to prohibition!)
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maryjane
I have severe osteoarthritis amongst other auto immune problems, just standing and pressure load to her bones will help them regenerate.

b12 a good start

I would suggest she ate cannabis melted in a small amount of butter added to yoghurt would enance the effects and may induce an increase in appetite.

Wheat and lactose often show false allergen readings, been there myself and over the years can pretty much tolerate anything that is either wheat or milk but not together, goats milk here by preference.

The caveman diet may also help lamb pears and rice based at the very start.
tokentoker
I second maryjane smile.gif looking into what foods will help is a good idea. wink1.gif and including cannabis in your cooking rather than smoking gives a better result, IMO.

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My mum is australian!!!
She transferred to italy 40 years ago, for love smile.gif

This oct-nov we are going to pay visit ti the relatives in the down under and I am really planning on moving there:)

How things are going in the down under???

Sorry about the intrusion but I couldn't resist mate biggrin.gif

Regards
Girogio

PS: I tried a personal message but no luck



I shall try to PM you.. but I don't think we can yet lol.gif I was told I didn't have access last time.. glitch or board rules? I don't know.
Ganja_Devotee
on the subject of foods good for her condition.

hope this is of use
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Soy and Your Bones
Written by Gloria Tsang, RD
last updated: September 2005

A new study published in the Archives of Internal Medicine in September 2005 found that intake of soy food was associated with a significantly lower risk of bone fracture, particularly among early post-menopausal women. Researchers studied associations between soy consumption and bone fractures in more than 24,000 postmenopausal Chinese women averaging 60 years of age. After following these women for 4 1/2 years, researchers found that the women in the highest soy intake group (13g soy protein daily) were at a 35 - 37 percent lowered risk of bone fractures than women in the lowest intake group (5g soy protein).

Editor's Note: Soy and Osteoporosis
Many soy foods are naturally high in calcium as this mineral is added as a coagulating agent. In addition, soy also contains magnesium and boron, which are important in bone health.

In addition, isoflavones in soy foods may inhibit the breakdown of bones. Daidzein, a type of isoflavone, is actually very similar to the drug ipriflavone, which is used throughout Europe and Asia to treat osteoporosis.

A study completed by Erdman in the early 1990's inspired the many studies that followed to investigate the possible benefits of soy on bone health. Erdman's study focused on post-menopausal women who consumed 40 g of isolated soy protein daily for 6 months. Erdman found that these women had significantly increased bone mineral density as compared to the controls.

A recent study published in 2003 by the Oklahoma State University showed that soy protein was more effective in bone formation and retention of calcium inside the body (excreting less calcium in urine) compared to milk protein. In addition, researchers also found that the benefits of soy on bone health were more pronounced in postmenopausal women who were not on hormone replacement therapy.

Soy and Osteoporosis - the bottom line
There is no doubt that soy has a role in maintaining healthy bones and may even help to prevent bone loss in postmenopausal women. However, it is still not clear whether the benefits are due to its soy protein, or its isoflavones daidzein and genistein, or the combination of them. The best approach is to include soy foods such as tofu, tempeh, soy milk, edamame etc in your diet instead of taking isolated soy supplements. Many brands of soy milk are now fortified with calcium. Hence, one glass of fortified soy milk provides an equivalent amount of calcium from a glass of cow's milk.

With the increasing public concerns regarding genetically modified foods, look for soy products which use non-genetically modified soy crops in their production.
Stinky
I bit off topic but thought it was worth a mention.

Has her doctor talked to her about a drug called Fosamax (Alendronic Acid). I got osteoporosis due to it being a side-effect of the steroids i was taking long-term for another illness. I was given calci-chew tablets to eat but also told to take Fosamax once a week and that supposedly acts as 'cure' for the osteoporosis and actually builds the bones back up. I was told the calci-chew tablets stop it from getting any worse but this other drug should restore my bones over a year back to normal.
It maybe different as my condition was a direct side-effect from drugs that i was taking for other health reasons, but you never know. Thing is drugs change so often that it's hard for doctors to keep up really so just thought it was worth bringing it to your attention, but i'm sure her doctor or specialist has been through everything.

On topic - cannabis i would have thought would only be of any help if she likes the feeling of being stoned. It works wonders for me, but only cos i love the feeling and find when i'm high i don't think about the pain so much, i can accept it and it's not so much of a nuisance. It lifts your mood and stops you thinking so inwardly if you know what i mean.

Stinky

TartanToker
Huge thanks for all of the replies, both from myself and my mate who's had a close eye on the forum topic, All the advice and tips have been taken on board and I think she's gonna give cooking with cannabis a try, fingers crossed it works out well for her.

Thanks

TT

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