Heya Guys and Gals;


Hope you're all well this fine Sunday morning.



Got a couple of weeks left on my BB Blue Cheese grow. Have been really impressed with the quality of BB strains. Grew a Barneys Phatt Fruity next to it and it simply doesnt compare. Just went online to order me some new BB Blue Cheese seeds to find tha Big Buddha have released some new strains!

Especially interested in Bubble Cheese and Chiesil. Although with limited headroom I think I'd better stick with the Indica based Bubble Cheese.


Anyone grown these out before?

Here is a grow of Chiesel:

http://www.uk420.com/boards/index.php?show...3&hl=chisel

Couple of others doing it atm in the grow diaries.. not seen any of the others apart from Blue Cheese.. They sell Chiesel in Amsterdam now and is supposed to be good strong smoke..

I've got a couple of Chiesels 7 weeks into flower and they are very compact. A lot shorter than the blue cheese I'm also growing. Check out my grow diary.

I'm growing Chiesel.
Smoked it in 'dam and it was fucking fantastic.

Check out my diary, 2.5 weeks into flower atm.

Hmmm. Maybe I'll splash out on a pack of Cheisil and a pack of Bubble Cheese. Grow one of each side by side.

Buffalo Soldier did a Chiesel grow when it first came out.I've smoked it and thought it was very dull, nothing of either cheese nor NYCD in it... got you stoned alright but then so it frikking should.Didn't have much in the taste or smell department, just another generic bud to me

Of course that was only one pheno but that was enough to put me off... it has to be said though I'm not a fan of his, although I have a blue cheese which is awesome and a long time keeper so its not like I'll ignore his strains no matter what.

Maybe the way it was grown Withnail; i'd never write off a strain like that from one plant.
Seems silly, no?

e2a: I am growing it, and have smoked it. And thought it was fucking fantastic .

Rest assured dude it wasn't the way it was grown

Doesn't seem silly to me tbh, I get through so many strains that I don't have the time or inclination to grow out 10 or 15 seeds to try and find the best pheno.... with my favourite strains even the 'poor' phenos are mightly fine

What do you mean by ' a strain like that ' ? A hack with 2 of the biggest strain names in growing at the moment to make the most of a market that quite often buys wares simply by name alone ? Cos thats all it is from where I'm sitting




Opinions and arseholes mate... we've all got 'em I'll be curious to hear too if it grows like how it smoked out in 'dam ... heard plenty of times about people smoking summat in dam, coming hpme to grow it and its nowt like it was out there.Hopefully you'll find an exact copy in your batch

when I asked the guy from big buddha at the cup last year what it was like he said:
"It's like cheese, and diesel. Chiesel"

It made me laugh for days...
Still haven't tried it but it seems like a good pheno of it could be pretty killer...Then again, it does have all the hallmarks of a novelty strain

mudkipz

Big Fuddha's strains are nothing more then Hacks.....Yes you will got the odd pheno thats awsome the same as most strains but most are pants/freaks/hermi's and as Withnail says who wants to hunt through a pack or two to find a good'un.....

I mean come on Big Fuddha's hardly original is he Chiesel,Bubble Cheese it makes me laugh everytime the the guy releases a new hack he certainly puts his Cheese mum to good use....

Well you're the first person i've found that hasn't really liked it Withnail.
Plus i've read that diary and seen the plants mate, it *could* of been the way it was grown. (Ignore this if it wasn't Buffalo Soldiers you smoked)
Fingers crossed mine turns out pretty awesome eh, from what i've smoked of it i've got no reason not to think it will be to be honest.

e2a: Nothing was meant by a strain like that.
I was merely pointing out it seems rather futile to write off an entire strain (ie collection of genetics) based on one method of growing and one pheno. I wasn't saying it was a killer strain or anything, re-read it and you'll see you've just seized on those words mistakenly. Maybe a comma or something was needed, i dunno .

Thanks Lennon. Didn't think it would take long.

Anyone else get bugged by this strain snobbery on these boards?

I couldn't give a crap if its a hack or not. And to be honest - the term "hack" says nothing. If thats the case then every piece of technology, agriculture, art..... everything has been hacked at some point.

Supplying every grower with the "original" genes is impossible anyway.



So where would you suggest buying seeds from then? Where doesn't "hack"?

I try not to join in.
But yes, very much so.

e2a: T Minus 2 minutes till retaliation eh...

Well I could argue that you're the first person I've found who really does like it but that kind of statement is doesn't mean anything does it , unless we are both networking with 1000 growers every week

No worries man about a 'strain like that' ... just answering what I read... perhaps I'm being silly

Sorry Sam about the 'snobbery' .... I was just commenting on the topic as per your original request.As I stated I have kept a blue cheese cos its frikking lovely, hack or not I don't really care... I found chiesel to be mediocre so I won't grow her, simple as that.

I do find it a little offensive that some seed companies simply trade off of the names of existing strains without doing their own work but if they make you happy when you grow them,thats all that matters innit

Hah! Touché!
We'll wait till my smoke report eh .

Ace Seeds,Cannabiogen,RSC,UGORG,Magus Genetics to name a few.....Nothing wrong with hacks until you start charging top doller for them and making out you some top notch breeder which Big Fudhha certainly ent!

Not a big fan of big budda myself, feels like he never made it clear enough that his cheese isn't the cheese. Heard so many people talk so much shit about cheese seeds from different companys when the fact is none of them are the original. withnail i see what your saying it does seem as though big budda just got hold of males of a bunch of famous strains and crossed them to his cheese mum. Anyone can do that. I think I'd call it a hack because his selection suggests that he didn't work to find males that would actually cross well with the cheese to produce good genetics. instead he chose males that sound like they should produce good genetics. These can be two very different things indeed, if you could some how cross together all these highly regarded clone onlys I'm sure what ever you grew out would be pretty shit compared to a strain someone has made considered selections to produce.

I think the strain snobbery is a good thing. I don't know about any of you guys but I only have 1.2 msqr to grow in. why the hell would I waste my time with anything but the best? If I grow out some seeds and only one pheno is any good then I'm stuck with abit of good weed and a load of crap weed and a 3 - 4 month wait to have anything else. Thats why I spend ages choosing to minimise the chance of wasting my time and effort. I'd rather pay top dollar for a strain where I know each plant will be just as good and the next than buying a cheap hack.

Having said all of that a friend has had to shut down his grow early and has a budda haze plant ready for flower. I believe its a big budda cross of amnesia haze and magna rosa. He offered me it and I've decided to give it a go. If it was one of his cheese crosses I wouldn't have bothered tbh but as this isn't he might have actually done some proper selection and breeding with it so I'm willing to see what happens.

peace

mello

+1 over here too....I smoked Grey Area Chiesel a few months ago and was very unimpressed - same experience as you - nothing outstanding, no diesel taste, no cheese taste....very dull. So glad you had the same experience as I thought it was just me....

GN

And that , mellofello , is precisely why I and others like to flag up our position on Bigbuddha.If its percieved as snobbishness then so be it but I'd like to try and let other growers what I've come across, good, bad or indifferent. I've only got a sq metre so I too like to maximise it, and i don't have the money to spend on seeds that aren't up to scratch

And I'll say it again, I have no problem at all with hacks, got a couple on the go at the moment.I have a problem with seed companies trying to push thier wares as some kind of masterclass in breeding when all they are doing is playing to a very captive market and pushing out the names they assume ( rightly it appears ) will sell.

Great names sell seeds.
Simple as that....

I like the cheese i got from buddha seeds... The taste and smell is amazing i think. Put it thru a vape and it puts a smile on your lips and face. very cheesy and berry. Like a strawberry cheese cake with hint of skunk....is the only way i can discribe it. Guess i got lucky only popped two both the same only one grew much slower. Both fem seeds no hermi. It's a good stash smoke up there with Rez's Double Strawberry Diesel i think...But just my opinion. Peace All.

was thinking about chiesel until seen these two check thses out
plant description--The cross of the UK Cheese x Strawberry Diesel produces a plant with legendary qualities. Taking on the deep musky characteristics of the classic UK Cheese clone and combining it with the new school flavour of Strawberry Diesel.

INFO---Genetics : UK Cheese x Strawberry Diesel
Structure : Heavy
Taste/ smell : Complex
Flowering period : 65 days.
Yield : Good
Effect : Used to ease the mind.


And wot u think about this cheese? on the left click original cheese

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Funny that's my fave mix...I mix my bbcheese with rez double strawberry diesel..So very good

i think that thier g bomb looks interesting i wonder if its in any way related to flying dutchman's g force
i think i trust flying dutchman rather than big budda

Dont know much about FDM G-force but Big Fuddha's G-bomb is nothing more then an un-stable hack........Dont waste your money on Big Fuddha's hacks

I grew out 5 chiesel 2 of them smelled looked the same they was the best out of the 5 them 2 had a lovely smell and taste even if you just had a little joint in your pocket it would stink but the other 3 was not good one smelled like grass but biggest yield and the other too had a sicky smell.Would not grow again though because the 2 best ones takes 10 to 12 weeks but i used a 250w hp

My chiesel smells faintly of lemons and has huge hard nugs. Rock solid infact.
It's also my healthiest plant.

Jury's still out though, 4 weeks and i'll be smoking it and we shall decide .

Should beat you to it Weedio - I chop my Chiesel, Blue Cheese and Cheese tonight. One of my Chiesels did get bud rot (my fault too much nutes & water - I think) - flash dried some Mmm not a bad smoke considering it was immature & flash dried, I can't wait for the fully matured, slow dried and cured buds though.

Fairly impressed so far with BB's seeds - although the proof of the pudding will be in the toking.

Iv done bb blue cheese 4 a while now and have just been dissapointed with there seeds all plants came out with different phenos and two of them smell like kali mist which is a new strain bb have brought out so i think there breeding in same place as all there strains which is wrong i dont trust them anymore there seeds are now tainted and they dont care

i got 1 blue cheese plant thats blue cheese out of 6 the rest are kali and somethin thats not blue cheddar bigbuddha have gone shit but the 1 blue cheese plant is strong and tasty

Thats because Big Fuddha's hacks are about as stable as Michael Barrymore

he definately created the odd something special out of his first hermie run though....

What a fluke that was one outta how many.....

I think i got lucky with my chiesel, he may do hacks to be honest but this one was alright.
Either i played the pheno lottery and won, or he's stabilised them a bit more.

Id go with your first guess Big Fuddha dont even know how to spell stabilised let alone put it into practice with his hacks......Glad you got something you liked though Weedio

Ok I know people aint fans of buddha, but, I jut cropped some bubble cheese and it's amazing! At first it abolutely stank of a roast chicken sort of smell but if you disect it you can smell that cheeseyness coming through, also from a distance it just reek of potent ganja! I smoked my first joint with a mate last night, a small bud that had been cured a few days, probably the best tasting weed i've ever smoked purely becaue it hit you as soon a it hit your mouth. The high lasted around 40mins and that was bordering on what i would call a mild lsd trip, that as followed by a huge philisophical mong that lasted for the next hour.
smiles all round so i cant really knock Buddha, plus I think blue cheese is one of the greatest smells on earth.

Looks like there has been quite a few "flukes" then. A couple more if you include the Bubblecheese and Cheisel two weeks from finishing in my drobe. Stinky, full bodied buds and healthy as fuck - with no more than Batmix, Fishmix and 2 X 200w enviros.

So for me, thats 3 grows (10 plants in total) stable and successful from Big Bhuddah. Maybe the word fluke should be revised?

Will post a smoke report very soon - gotta pull on 8 weeks as my landlord is coming a snooping. Gutted.

I don't think so personally.. I think 'fluke' is the perfect word...and proof that making decent cannabis seeds is incredibly easy.

I know you're a fan Sam but surely you can see that to turn out the new strains he does at the rate he does must mean he doesn't do much in the way of selecting genetics and crossing/backcrossing/stabilising them ? AFAIK it can take years to get a stable or IBL so I don't believe BB is doing any of that.

To me he's just another canna-cash machine, nowt wrong with that btw, although I think he overcharges for what he sells.. but each to their own, as long as your happy with them thats all that really matters innit

Blessings

Im glad your happy with your hacks mate I really am.......As Ive stated nothing wrong with hacks, your just being robbed paying his prices

Still they do say theres one born every minute......

W>N

You're very childish Lennon. What are you trying to say? That I'm stupid? Its not as if I've gone and spanked £500 on some G13 Sensi Seeds bollocks is it? I paid £27.50 for 5 fem seeds. Hardly robbery.

The hack thing seems to really insult you.

ha ha Buddha hater

I would like to know how his "HACKS" differ from any other breeder?
BBC & BBBC are 2 of the best strains from seed I have smoked ...

Trust me your being robbed....... I know how many beans you can get from just pollinating a tiny Bud let alone whole plants mate.

As I said Im glad your happy with yours but rest assured you paying well over the odds...

And the hack thing dont bother me mate,ive just done two myself and gave them away for free as I know there worthless

Blessings

i've got some g-bomb on the go... seven of the nine that germed are good as identical and of the other two, one went a bit mutant to begin with and basically topped itself so now has three stems and the other is a little more spindly than the others... 7 of 9... i call that stable enough...

Treeman your not getting it alot of work is involved in "Breeding" cannabis.....Some strains can take years to get right.Hacks take 2/3 months max....

Big Fuddha's name shouldnt even be mentioned along side the likes of Serious seeds,Magus Genetics,Ace,Cannabiogen,Sensi Seeds,OT1 etc etc who all put alot of time and effort into "Breeding" Cannabis......

And this post proves you know nothing about the subject.....One went abit mutent and ones all spindly they sound stable fella

The U.K cheese was already a stable strain.. as it was a one off mutant pheno...
and the Father was an Afgan... that was pre selected from loads..
so he only crossed those for the BBC

If you believe that your believe anything fella......From when Big Fuddha got his UK Cheese to releasing BBC he wouldnt of had time to do any male selecting...He just crossed it with a big Affie yeilder thats it

He used to be a member on here we all know when he got his Cheese cut and how long till he released BBC

Pre Selected?

I kinda find it hard to believe he just did a cross and it turned out this stable... maybe it wasn't that simple...
sounds like you know the score though?
Gotta say though I'm happy with my BBC and probs my BBBC when i crack em' thats all