Hi all what is the best compost to use for Auto-Flowering Blueberry and what are the best nutriants please

What will you be using for Auto-Flowering?

how do you mean ?

go organic on the nutes ,bio bizz grow and bloom,and use bio bizz all mix soil ,but westlands mp with ji will be a cheap soil from b n q or sumin,but its got alot of food in allready.the westlands mp has a bit to mutch nitrogen in,but if on a budjet then get that or simular,good luck,and as for autos best outdoor as they dont yeild f all.still if its ya first grow then giv it a grow

Most LR based autos like deep pots early on.

Hmmm.
I know of no other strain or plant that this is true of..
Why and how is loryder unique in this way? What is the science, never mind the myth and never mind the breeder's hype - why does this sole strain stand out uniquely in this way from amongts the entire range of cannabis strains? Is it really this unique?
I've asked this so often, and no-one has yet explained it adequately for me.
Is it a unique trait, or is it a bit of hype designed to appeal to inexperienced/newbie/lazy growers?

The thing is, its just such a bad practice! I spend a lot of time advising people to do the very opposite in order to establish sound rootballs. Does the Loryder not need Rootballs like other strains do? Plus, is it somehow immune to anaerobic compost - because that's what you're likely to get with big pots and small plants?
Or is this advice badly given, and the reason why the Loryder reports all seem to mention at best medium returns, but more often skimpy ones? After all, Roots = Fruits. No roots, no fruits.

Unfortunately this will probably get seen as another bit of Loryder-hate by those sensitive and touchy souls who are its afficianados. But it isn't. I think these questions need asking, and they certainly need answering.

The reason is simple - LRs grow like fuck in the first 4 weeks so the roots are going crazy, and if they are in a small pot they will get restricted and will slow growth. When people tried different combinations of potting up, it was found that putting the seed into a larger pot grew bigger plants. I found planting in 6" pots until sexing then moving to 12" pots worked well enough. Don't start them on 3" or 4" pots is the advice I'd give. Watering a seed in a big pot is a skill you may need to learn.

BTW you can put any seed straight into an airpot without the souring caused by conventional pots.

I've never grown the auto Blueberry, but if it is like regular, mix extra perlite in the compost to make it weaker, and give them half the suggested nutes, and nothing for the first 4/5 weeks unless it looks hungry. If they smell any N the leaves curl up.

But most plants grow extremely fast from seed? And restriction = potting up, that's the whole point, that's how to form a rootball!! Without that, don't you just get lazy, lanky roots of poor performance?

What I read a couple of years ago (from testing by someone who had grown hundreds/thousands of them) was that if the taproot turned at the base of the pot it restricted the growth. I haven't done exhaustive tests under scientific conditions myself.

I don't know that I believe that (the taproot and growth thing), and in any case, wouldn't that indicate time to pot-up? The tap root turns, side roots and fibrous roots penetrate the compost thoroughly, and as the plant starts to move towards being pot-bound, one pots on; allowing the now robust rootball to develop aggressively into new compost before yet another pot-up. This is basic gardening practice - I need some serious convincing that Loryder and her offspring are exempt from this general gardening practice. By all means keep on top of the potting up to maintain growth rates, but risking anaerobic compost seems a strange way to go.

I know peeps may think I'm being pedantic, but as this strain is being touted as "for the new grower", serious questions arise. What will a newbie learn? Not potting up (so in fact they learn a very bad practice - is that right?), not vegging, not cloning, so ...... what, exacly, is to be learned from growing this?

These Loryder crosses may very well be excellent, I do not know. But they still have a load of questions that need answering. And I seriously question their suitability for a newbie grower.

I always thought it was bull, but it seems to work. edit. ignored the advice on my first grow and didn't seem to have adverse effects, so I have just contradicted myself.

Next year I will run some controlled grows and compare results, pin this thing down so we can move on.

e2a. It will also be interesting to see if airpots take off, in a couple of years re-potting might be seen as old-hat, rather like putting pebbles in the bottom of your pot.

Would be most interested to see what conclusions you come to Laramie

I ain't go a clue personally, I like common sense things me and common sense says do what all the professional gardeners have been doing for years.However if everyone did that then nothing would evolve and no new methods would ever come to light... go get them autoflowerers Laramie and give us some first hand results

Indeedli-diddli-doo.

Any compost will do you mate, nothing special about Auto's, bear in mind though that they go straight into flower so not much time to root through, best to stick to a fully rooted small pot imo, and liquid feed.




You must get tired of this old debate Arnold. Whats your problem your starting to sound like a troll starting another shit fest.

Something about the tap root growing down incredibly fast, if you put it in a small pot you restrict it and can really mess up the plant. I think whereas normal strains grow outwards then down, in AF the tap root just goes straight down then out.
I think it's because the plant has to establish itself in the first 3 weeks.
I haven't grown them but that's what i hear.
But i do agree, it goes against everything we're taught as non-AF growers.



I do somewhat agree with this, Arnie didn't *have* to post. But like he said he was just wondering, maybe his methods were a bit off but the idea is sound.

Well the top growth has one totally unique trait that no other strain has, it auto flowers, so why find it hard to comprehend that it may have another trait thats unique.

I grow allsorts not just canna I agree with the potting on practice totally. BUT the results from LR2 when put straight into finishing pots can't be argued with.
I have grown hundreds of LR2 out and can honestly say that they really do like a big pot early on.

The root growth slows almost to a stop after 4/5 weeks, you could be really on top of it all and go 3" to 5" to 6" to 8" then onto finishing pots within that 4 weeks period and that would probably give you very good results, but it's a lot of work.
I put them into root riots stood in 4" pots then straight into finishing pots after two weeks.
I know about soil going bad etc but the root growth on these auto's early on is astonishing and they soon fill whatever pot you put them in. You do have to be VERY careful with watering though.


If you have never grown these plants mate why not give them a bash, at least then you can speak with some authority on the subject instead of just bashing them at every opportunity which gets very boring.

Sorry if you're bored fella. But as we're on a roll, how's about you just quite personalising evrything you read, and stirring all the time huh?
I asked a question - you answered it. But as usual, you could not leave it there but had to stir. What's with the barb in every damned thing you post?
And in case you had not noticed - in this, as in many other such threads, all I have done is ask questions. Yet you continue to misread it, read stuff into it, and stir, stir, stir.

Bor - ing!

Wow talk about turn the tables....it's you that seems to have a personal campaign against auto flowering genetics.
You seriously think you just ask questions on these auto threads????

You asked the question, it got answered for you and you nay sayed it straight away. All I suggest is pick up some seeds, grow them and find out first hand.

Also why does everyone who disagrees with you have to be "bored"...now if that isn't a barbed comment then what is? Pot , kettle mate none of us are perfect, especially the canna snobs who diss auto;s without having tried them.


e2a : you do have an anti standpoint, you just don't like to out yourself as an anti because you cannot justify it. The questions you ask are always form an anti standpoint dipped in doubt.

Out myself??
WTF?
You make me larff man, you really do!
I'm as anti as a man can be, are you for serious? I was anti from the beginning, I've never hidden that. Do the research. But hang on - Is it wrong to be anti something?

I would have thought all questions come dipped in doubt - surely? No doubt = no questions. No?



Troll? Shitfest? Just because I asked a question?

The reason I ask is simple, as I said way back in this thread - to date, I had not yet received a decent answer to this question. Thankfully, now, Mister Dee has give one, or at least he's given me something to think about. But I have to say, what with the sensitivities of the Loryder fanclub, its been like pulling teeth from an angry crocodile.

Why do I ask this and other questions? I dunno, maybe I'm curious. Is it now trolling to ask questions?

But I'll go further. Most of the time when I'm on here I like to be helping folk grow really good weed. That's why this place exists. So I get very interested when people come up with ideas that go against the received wisdom, because this can be misleading to folks with little knowledge or experience who are trying to get to grips with weed growing. Now, the case may be that the received wisdom is in need of reforming and correcting. But that's done by the whole process of asking strong questions and trying to get to the truth of the matter. This is not shit-stirring at all. Its dispassionate, serious questioning.

Now if I ask you why your advice differs from the usual Loryder grow advice, is that shit stirring too? But it does.
You say ...

Yet Mister_dee says ...

And in other threads we have been told that Loryder should be given the biggest pot possible from the beginning, and I seem to recall at one point reading that we deffo should not ever pot her up. Now I'm no newbie, but even I'm getting confused now. Just how is one meant to grow it?

If I get the chance, I'll grow one of these Lo strains next year outdoor. But I don't have indoor space to waste on this kind of experiment.

BUT on the other hand how dare you question the sacred shitryder/auto genetics seriously though i really dont see why they cant just be potted up like we do with other canna plants, even Laramie said he didnt notice any adverse affects when he ignored the advice to plant the seed in a big pot

I'm going to grow some autos when i have 8 to 12 weeks to waste just to see what the deal is with them and this will be one of the things i want to find out about, but it wont be an exact comparison grow as you cant take clones so there all going to differ anyway, in fact how do you compare you results with potting up and not potting up or anything else for that matter when there all from seed and not clone so really you cant compare them can you?

My thoughts and experience growing LR2 for the first time this year have been documented on another thread I started. I will try another auto next year but no way will it be LR2

Would it be a good idea to start a pole on what peeps think about LR and then peeps who have grown them can comment and we can all see the results.

I'm an experienced grower of fruit and veg and flowers, I know that some plants don't like to be moved, some plants do better when they are root bound as well. But I know from my MJ growing that they love to fill a pot and being potted up, and it's not real chore to do so, can't logicaly think why LR should be any different apart from the fact that they put themselves into flowering after 4 weeks so the root growth is then stopping.?

If the theory about the tap root is correct then the perfect way would be to grow them in a very deep "tube" type of container, the sort of system you would adopt if you were trying to grow "show winning" carrots or parsnips.

Arnold mate, try growing a couple next year so when you state there crap you won't be shot down.

Do you have to be a mod to start a poll ?

My 2P worth.

JOM

I thought I'd already said the potting up was because of fast root growth? Twice?



and then




And I don't think growing a crap one will prove much. Growing a better one with incremental potting would.

question - Are Lowryders crap?

Pick from one of the following:

Yes, But I've never grown any

Yes, But I've only grown it once

Yes, and I've grown it more than once

Yes, I've grown it for years

No - Now fuck off


This will give a fairer representation

my advice would be west plus and bio bizz. Does this strain retain the blueberry taste wouldnt mind it for a side grow

Wouldn't mind a blueberry auto myself what seedbank is it from?


AL - I have grown it and found that big pot early on suits my particular auto strain. All my other growing canna or otherwise gets potted on. I think the risk of stunting what root growth you do get with auto's is higher than the risk of too big a pot.

The risk is there that the compost will spoil, but in my experience this fear is not founded as the auto fills the soil fast enough.

Just a thought my friend...............

Chill out a bit.

!



JOM

Dont worry mate Laramie has very strong feelings about people who dont like auto's

So after about 4 weeks do the roots stop or just slow down alot?

Viz humour my friend

e2a I was actually poking fun at myself (fucking hate having to explain these things, but with 181 in the room I better had)

They slow down but don't usually stop completely, as has been mentioned before root=fruit so with so little root growing time you can't afford to lose any potential growth, hence why I use large pots.

Auto's respond much better to hydro and 24 hr light than soil and 12/12 this could eb why some have poor results?

So if they slow after 4 weeks when they really go for it and start budding like mad then what size of pot would they really need?

Who was the guy who done the fanta can plant as he didnt need a big pot did he

When I re-potted from 4" to 8", then to 12" after sexing, the roots completely filled the pot, in fact more than my regulars.

It may turn out to produce one or two grams of bud more to pot up incrementally, but it would be a waste for the effort, and would be a more efficient use of time to pop a couple of extra seeds.

BTW 181, I have no strong feelings about people who don't like autos, any more than I would about someone who didn't like apples. It is you that keeps bringing my name into threads when I'm not there. e2a,. I don't mean this one.

He didn't need a big pot but he didn't get 65 grams either:)

http://www.uk420.com/boards/index.php?showtopic=186587

Told ya................

his grow was partial hydro using a very basic (swc) Shallow water culture by using one off those mini water features as a base

Not my words, but the words of Dinafem. (in a partridge stylee)