guanoman
Jul 26 2009, 11:18 AM
ok was sittin` thinkin about the genetics of cheese. My m8 grew ghs cheese and bbhudda cheese both the same. uk cheese is stinkier than these 2. but recently my m8 grew afghan special (kc brains) 9 quid pack of seeds. and it was alot more pungent than the ghs and bbhudda cheese. so the afghan produced a pungent cheese smell also 1 of the plants was big big calyxes it didnt look like a weed plant. resembled exodus original and we all know its basiclly sensi skunk no 1 pheno and if u look at the genes of skunk no 1 its got afghan parent. buy afghan and inbreed yaself a cheesey pheno thats what i say. excuse grammer am blazed!!
252Grams
Jul 26 2009, 11:22 AM
QUOTE (guanoman @ Jul 26 2009, 12:18 PM)

ok was sittin` thinkin about the genetics of cheese. My m8 grew ghs cheese and bbhudda cheese both the same. uk cheese is stinkier than these 2. but recently my m8 grew afghan special (kc brains) 9 quid pack of seeds. and it was alot more pungent than the ghs and bbhudda cheese. so the afghan produced a pungent cheese smell also 1 of the plants was big big calyxes it didnt look like a weed plant. resembled exodus original and we all know its basiclly sensi skunk no 1 pheno and if u look at the genes of skunk no 1 its got afghan parent. buy afghan and inbreed yaself a cheesey pheno thats what i say. excuse grammer am blazed!!

excellent idea i reckon
good thinking
Weedio
Jul 26 2009, 11:35 AM
Afghan will knock you on your arse though, whereas cheese is a much more pleasurable smoke. Sativa influenced in the high from the Skunk#1 genetics it came from.
I'm smoking some Afghan from Canada atm, 2 tokes in and i can barely be arsed to type.
endless search
Jul 26 2009, 11:37 AM
this is what big fudha should have done himself but didnt have the brains
i am really pleased to hear your mates stash was so pungent and was also thinking down these lines untill i got the cheese cut
Click to view attachment
endless search
Jul 26 2009, 11:48 AM
the above post was a little harsh by myself but i think he should have crossed the cheese cut with the afghan
and back crossed it to get something very similar to cheese in every pack.
like UGORG have done with the blues so your always going to find something very near the original cutting.
smoketilluchoke
Jul 26 2009, 11:51 AM
i know skunk #1 has afghan genes
but cheese is definately not afghan
the leaves are far too thin and sativa looking
endless search
Jul 26 2009, 12:01 PM
but cheese came from skunk no1.
also we could grow skunk no 1 out from every seed bank and not find the pungent cheese pheno,but our friend here grew out some £9 quid seeds from kc and got as he says.
so the afghan produced a pungent cheese smell also 1 of the plants was big big calyxes it didnt look like a weed plant.
sound a bit like cheese dont it.
Weedio
Jul 26 2009, 12:03 PM
No, he grew an Afghan that smelled alot. Thus he thought it smelled like Cheese.
Have you grown cheese? Or Afghan?
smoketilluchoke
Jul 26 2009, 12:09 PM
QUOTE (endless search @ Jul 26 2009, 01:01 PM)

so the afghan produced a pungent cheese smell also 1 of the plants was big big calyxes it didnt look like a weed plant.
sound a bit like cheese dont it.
not really
what you mean didnt look like a weed plant?
endless search
Jul 26 2009, 12:09 PM
i dont wanna argue lads just saying fair play and ya might find something nice in there.
you wont with bbc and ghs cheese.
i done a wee bit of cheese
Click to view attachmentits mad how this gets more views and talk than 3 of my diarys
Weedio Posted 9 minutes ago
No, he grew an Afghan that smelled alot. Thus he thought it smelled like Cheese.
Have you grown cheese? Or Afghan?
if you look in grow diaries you will see i have been growing cheese for 3 or more years.
its under two killer skunk phenos and cheese mmmmmmm
oldman61
Jul 26 2009, 12:13 PM
QUOTE (endless search @ Jul 26 2009, 12:48 PM)

the above post was a little harsh
Nope Big buddha is retarded, he should of crossed skunk #1 to the uk cheese cut.
smoketilluchoke
Jul 26 2009, 12:15 PM
QUOTE (endless search @ Jul 26 2009, 01:09 PM)

i dont wanna argue lads just saying fair play and ya might find something nice in there.
you wont with bbc and ghs cheese.
hahaha no arguemtn here
no doubt you will find something nice, but it wont be cheese thats all im saying
guanoman
Jul 26 2009, 12:18 PM
the afghan that was grew was alot better than the cheese. i thought he boosted it to much with pk 13 14 becos it wasn`t forming into 1 bud it just had massive calyxes it looked strange after dried 3 calyx for a j and the taste stayed in ya mouth for ages afterwards. as a smoker i`m a taster. i luv my bubblegum and cheese but now i luv afghanok big bhudda did cross the cheese cut (skunk no 1) with afghan so its kinda inbreeding again cos skunk no 1 parent is afghan. the gr8 cheese deception! skunk no 1 seeds find best pheno and cross with afghan male find the best phenos and inbreed them for pungent phenos violla! oh my m8 accidentlly crossed a ? sativa seed from tenerife with ghs alaskan ice hopefully it stabilizes the ai
guanoman
Jul 26 2009, 12:21 PM
QUOTE (oldman61 @ Jul 26 2009, 01:13 PM)

QUOTE (endless search @ Jul 26 2009, 12:48 PM)

the above post was a little harsh
Nope Big buddha is retarded, he should of crossed skunk #1 to the uk cheese cut.
i agree with ya but i think the afghan has a bigger part to play in the cheese than skunk no 1 the cheese smell is the sfghan if u follow the genetics and have personal experience with afghan. skunk no 1 luvly but didnt smell as cheesey as afghan
cantharis
Jul 26 2009, 01:05 PM
My first outdoor grow in Spain was Afghan - nice mellow smoke, good yield, got a best yield of 11 ounces (dried) in a 5 gallon pot. Good strain to start with.
I seem to have concentrated on WW lately.
groovelick
Jul 26 2009, 01:07 PM
you cant grow cheese from seeds how many times you have to get a cut
Laramie
Jul 26 2009, 02:09 PM
MNS Devil is Afghan x Afghan/Skunk, and I find the smoke quite refreshing rather than couchlock, but I've cut at 7.5 and 8 weeks. The nest grow I'm leaving longer as I want the couchlock in this case.
guanoman
Jul 26 2009, 02:22 PM
QUOTE (groovelick @ Jul 26 2009, 02:07 PM)

you cant grow cheese from seeds how many times you have to get a cut
CHEESE CAME FROM SKUNK NO 1 DID GOD ONLY ALLOW EXODUS TO HAVE A CHEESE PHENO FROM SKUNK! ITS ALL ABOUT THE AFGHAN AND SUM HARD WORK
purethc
Jul 27 2009, 07:58 AM
i am on doing afghani no1 and one of them has a very lemony smell to it and the rest have a very hashy smell to them. look very promising at the mo.
madgiz
Jul 27 2009, 09:04 AM
QUOTE (endless search @ Jul 26 2009, 12:37 PM)

this is what big fudha should have done himself but didnt have the brains

QUOTE (endless search @ Jul 26 2009, 12:48 PM)

the above post was a little harsh by myself but i think he should have crossed the cheese cut with the afghan
correct me if I am wrong but that is exactly what he did do...
QUOTE
The Afghani used in our breeding program was a true landrace Afghani acquired by an older member of the crew.
This person was responsible for bringing back tonnes of afghan border hash into the UK during the 80's.
In one of his shipments he had requested some seeds to be bought over, eventually, in one of the several consignments, this was granted when he found a leather pouch containing a good handful of seeds.
After giving some out to various associates at that time, he ended up keeping a little amount in a photo film case.
I myself have known this guy since I was 15, but it wasn't till around 2000 when I was given theses seeds to try out. I didn't start them till I had enough room..... around a year later!
Surprisingly, out of about 50 seeds, 29 germinated, and out of these were a selected female and a highly admirable male, which just had the most 'vigour' out of all the Afghani's!
The reason why we kept this Afghani male was because we knew that this would be true breeding stock, and more importantly, it was our own genetics!!!
No link to source,, From their site
ollie007
Jul 27 2009, 10:01 AM
cheese is skunk no1 sensi seeds , you all know that anyway . if you grow it you got da same thing .
ive grown sensi seeds no 1 and it was lovely , stinky , lemony , giggly , puts a big cheesy grin on ya chops.
i remember having stinking phenotypes . grow out the seeds yourself s and find something nice that ya like ,
you will find a keeper for sure , must be better to do that , more fun and then cross it with a afghan push up the yeild.
i aint no breeder by the way , never bred anything barring kids
ollie007
Jul 27 2009, 10:13 AM
QUOTE (groovelick @ Jul 26 2009, 02:07 PM)

you cant grow cheese from seeds how many times you have to get a cut
yes you can cheese is skunk no1, sensis no1 .
even if he crossed the skunk no1 with a afghan , its still skunk ffs as no1 is a afghan cross.
fuck uk cheese
uberdruck
Jul 27 2009, 10:27 AM
i am growing bbc atn the moment i have grown greenhouse cheese aswell,
i have got 2 phenos from th bbcheese, 1.sativa like. and 2.afhgan, big dirty ass leaves thick and round, completly diferent to the rest of them
Tree Man
Jul 27 2009, 12:03 PM
so then..... if the U.K Cheese was cheesy from the Afgan used in the breeding of Skunk No1 .. then why don't Skunk No.1's have more cheesy phenos then?
Its been around for ages.
hmmm?
green dreemer
Jul 27 2009, 01:26 PM
ohh how the cheese debate goes on, wish i had a chance of getting the cut
ollie007
Jul 27 2009, 01:35 PM
QUOTE (Tree Man @ Jul 27 2009, 01:03 PM)

so then..... if the U.K Cheese was cheesy from the Afgan used in the breeding of Skunk No1 .. then why don't Skunk No.1's have more cheesy phenos then?
Its been around for ages.
hmmm?
because they forgot the pinapple and the sticks
smoketilluchoke
Jul 27 2009, 01:54 PM
QUOTE (guanoman @ Jul 26 2009, 03:22 PM)

ITS ALL ABOUT THE AFGHAN AND SUM HARD WORK
how come you keep saying that
if you look at an exodus cheese, it has real thin leaves, there is obviously quite a bit of sativa in there
that cant have come from the afghan
guanoman
Jul 27 2009, 05:19 PM
QUOTE (Tree Man @ Jul 27 2009, 01:03 PM)

so then..... if the U.K Cheese was cheesy from the Afgan used in the breeding of Skunk No1 .. then why don't Skunk No.1's have more cheesy phenos then?
Its been around for ages.
hmmm?
a thought uk cheese was skunk no1? so it did produce a cheesey pheno and still can if ya know wot ya lookin for.
madgiz
Jul 27 2009, 05:41 PM
QUOTE (guanoman @ Jul 27 2009, 06:19 PM)

QUOTE (Tree Man @ Jul 27 2009, 01:03 PM)

so then..... if the U.K Cheese was cheesy from the Afgan used in the breeding of Skunk No1 .. then why don't Skunk No.1's have more cheesy phenos then?
Its been around for ages.
hmmm?
a thought uk cheese was skunk no1? so it did produce a cheesey pheno and still can if ya know wot ya lookin for.
Fair point... but a quarter of a century is an awful long time for someone (anyone) to have found one..
groovelick
Jul 27 2009, 07:41 PM
The genetic make up that was/is ukcheese to find somthing similar would be like finding your own dopplaganger in a big city possible but hard work. Now if exodus had kept a male from the same grow as the ukcheese pheno then i would say you could grow ukcheese from seed but ne thing other than a cut is just cheesyesque b*stardasions
guanoman
Jul 28 2009, 02:06 PM
QUOTE (groovelick @ Jul 27 2009, 08:41 PM)

The genetic make up that was/is ukcheese to find somthing similar would be like finding your own dopplaganger in a big city possible but hard work. Now if exodus had kept a male from the same grow as the ukcheese pheno then i would say you could grow ukcheese from seed but ne thing other than a cut is just cheesyesque b*stardasions
i dont think it shld be called cheese. if i created skunk no 1 and some 1 just cloned it and got a good pheno i`d say fair play now u can call it a different name if ye done sum hard work and hybridyzed or backcrossed it but they didnt they just grew and cloned like alot of people do. think i might take a top strain and clone fuk outta it to a get a gd pheno easy done just takes time and name it woteva the fuk a want. me think its a kick in the balls for sensi. fkn big fhudda gettin aw the attention ovr sensis hard work that is wrong. oh sorry they crossed it so cheese x it shld b or inbred cos they did x it wi the father of skunk no 1 afghan afghan shows through skunk no 1 and and or so called cheese. did it take exodus a long time to get that pheno dnt think so they got it 1st try which is luck not work.me and u can do this with ne strain!! ok they got a real cheesy pheno off skunk no 1. you look at all the top strains especially the tasty 1`s and alot contain afghan. it really is the mother of breeding plants. how many strains would not be here if the afghan wasnt about. fkn alot!!. i love weed
Jush
Jul 28 2009, 02:19 PM
im probably wrong here, but if you landed yourself a real cutting of cheese, you grew it out and stressed the female, could she pollenate herself and give you seeds?
Stinky
Jul 28 2009, 02:32 PM
QUOTE (guanoman @ Jul 28 2009, 03:06 PM)

i dont think it shld be called cheese. if i created skunk no 1 and some 1 just cloned it and got a good pheno i`d say fair play now u can call it a different name if ye done sum hard work and hybridyzed or backcrossed it but they didnt they just grew and cloned like alot of people do. think i might take a top strain and clone fuk outta it to a get a gd pheno easy done just takes time and name it woteva the fuk a want. me think its a kick in the balls for sensi. fkn big fhudda gettin aw the attention ovr sensis hard work that is wrong. oh sorry they crossed it so cheese x it shld b or inbred cos they did x it wi the father of skunk no 1 afghan afghan shows through skunk no 1 and and or so called cheese. did it take exodus a long time to get that pheno dnt think so they got it 1st try which is luck not work.me and u can do this with ne strain!! ok they got a real cheesy pheno off skunk no 1. you look at all the top strains especially the tasty 1`s and alot contain afghan. it really is the mother of breeding plants. how many strains would not be here if the afghan wasnt about. fkn alot!!. i love weed

I think your a bit off track with the cloning. You won't get a different pheno from cloning. The point to cloning is that it's an exact copy of the mother plant. You clone a good, strong plant that has the characteristics that you desire and you keep those traits. You can of course pollinate the clone with a male and that will give you something different when you grow out the seeds that are produced.
I'm not sure that exodus were purposely trying to find cheese. I think that it was just chance that a particularly pungent, potent pheno of skunk appeared and fortunately for us it was cloned and shared. May be wrong though, I often am!
Stinky
nu jerzey devil
Jul 28 2009, 02:37 PM
m8 I havent tried Cheese as I am addicted to afghani's myself I like everything to do with them but most of all the taste and smell and will only grow afghan genetics. Not into sativa's myself
smoketilluchoke
Jul 28 2009, 02:40 PM
QUOTE (nu jerzey devil @ Jul 28 2009, 03:37 PM)

m8 I havent tried Cheese as I am addicted to afghani's myself I like everything to do with them but most of all the taste and smell and will only grow afghan genetics. Not into sativa's myself
dont grow cheese then
look at this, its pretty much the opposite of afghan
DtH
Jul 28 2009, 02:41 PM
about to grow the uk cheese and the bb cheese for the first time, just out of interest. i had a really cheesy arctic sun pheno, interested to see how the ukc compares
nu jerzey devil
Jul 28 2009, 02:41 PM
QUOTE (smoketilluchoke @ Jul 28 2009, 03:40 PM)

QUOTE (nu jerzey devil @ Jul 28 2009, 03:37 PM)

m8 I havent tried Cheese as I am addicted to afghani's myself I like everything to do with them but most of all the taste and smell and will only grow afghan genetics. Not into sativa's myself
dont grow cheese then
look at this, its pretty much the opposite of afghan
Wow you dont say! what type is that your growin?
groovelick
Jul 28 2009, 02:54 PM
Tbh ukcheese is like guano says skunk no1. I've been told i have had ukcheese but i cannot confirm that. dealers say owt
but I only ever said u cannot grow ukcheese from seed
guanoman
Jul 28 2009, 04:15 PM
QUOTE (Stinky @ Jul 28 2009, 03:32 PM)

QUOTE (guanoman @ Jul 28 2009, 03:06 PM)

i dont think it shld be called cheese. if i created skunk no 1 and some 1 just cloned it and got a good pheno i`d say fair play now u can call it a different name if ye done sum hard work and hybridyzed or backcrossed it but they didnt they just grew and cloned like alot of people do. think i might take a top strain and clone fuk outta it to a get a gd pheno easy done just takes time and name it woteva the fuk a want. me think its a kick in the balls for sensi. fkn big fhudda gettin aw the attention ovr sensis hard work that is wrong. oh sorry they crossed it so cheese x it shld b or inbred cos they did x it wi the father of skunk no 1 afghan afghan shows through skunk no 1 and and or so called cheese. did it take exodus a long time to get that pheno dnt think so they got it 1st try which is luck not work.me and u can do this with ne strain!! ok they got a real cheesy pheno off skunk no 1. you look at all the top strains especially the tasty 1`s and alot contain afghan. it really is the mother of breeding plants. how many strains would not be here if the afghan wasnt about. fkn alot!!. i love weed

I think your a bit off track with the cloning. You won't get a different pheno from cloning. The point to cloning is that it's an exact copy of the mother plant. You clone a good, strong plant that has the characteristics that you desire and you keep those traits. You can of course pollinate the clone with a male and that will give you something different when you grow out the seeds that are produced.
I'm not sure that exodus were purposely trying to find cheese. I think that it was just chance that a particularly pungent, potent pheno of skunk appeared and fortunately for us it was cloned and shared. May be wrong though, I often am!
Stinky
i`m not off track i`m just not wording it the best. i`m not saying they cloned it n it got better due to cloning. for to clone it in the 1st place then it must have had the pheno then for it to be a keeper. was totally by chance it happened. in those days was skunk no 1 f1 seeds with alot of diff phenos and over time its been stabilized hence not alot of cheese pheno from sk1 nowadys. if bhudda got a uk cut then y isnt it not resembling this video-----
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYRWfzzceVYwas there ne cuts of cheese or sumthing else used
Chilli
Jul 28 2009, 04:36 PM
That's quite an interesting Youtube vid and if believed the all the exodus cheese cuts are fake
Stinky
Jul 28 2009, 04:53 PM
QUOTE (guanoman @ Jul 28 2009, 05:15 PM)

i`m not off track i`m just not wording it the best. i`m not saying they cloned it n it got better due to cloning. for to clone it in the 1st place then it must have had the pheno then for it to be a keeper. was totally by chance it happened. in those days was skunk no 1 f1 seeds with alot of diff phenos and over time its been stabilized hence not alot of cheese pheno from sk1 nowadys. if bhudda got a uk cut then y isnt it not resembling this video-----
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYRWfzzceVYwas there ne cuts of cheese or sumthing else used
That's an interesting video. Never heard another side to it.
Archangel
Jul 28 2009, 05:15 PM
LMAO at that video...pffft!
withnail
Jul 28 2009, 05:19 PM
QUOTE (Archangel @ Jul 28 2009, 06:15 PM)

LMAO at that video...pffft!
Not just me then

The pic of the white bud, proper cheese as they say, has been kicking about for ages and has been photoshopped..its been discussed on here before.
madgiz
Jul 28 2009, 05:51 PM
QUOTE (guanoman @ Jul 28 2009, 03:06 PM)

me think its a kick in the balls for sensi. fkn big fhudda gettin aw the attention ovr sensis hard work that is wrong.
Skunk no1 iirc was bread in california and brought over to Europe in the early 80's. Sensi wasn't the first seed bank to get its grubby mitts on it.. They just happened to be the seed bank that supplied the original mother..
guanoman
Jul 28 2009, 06:09 PM
QUOTE (madgiz @ Jul 28 2009, 06:51 PM)

QUOTE (guanoman @ Jul 28 2009, 03:06 PM)

me think its a kick in the balls for sensi. fkn big fhudda gettin aw the attention ovr sensis hard work that is wrong.
Skunk no1 iirc was bread in california and brought over to Europe in the early 80's. Sensi wasn't the first seed bank to get its grubby mitts on it.. They just happened to be the seed bank that supplied the original mother..
i didnt say they created it u cld argue who created every strain back to the 1st canna plant

. i said it was sensis hard work to get that skunk no 1. and i didnt beleive that vid i just posted it if i did beleive it i would have jst posted that vid in the 1st place. ne way uk skunk no 1 pheno exodus wotevr ye want to call it is tastey. i hate marketing within the industry like the name cheese= skunk no 1.
withnail
Jul 28 2009, 06:15 PM
QUOTE (guanoman @ Jul 28 2009, 07:09 PM)

i hate marketing within the industry like the name cheese= skunk no 1.
But thats the thing ,it ain't the industry that called it cheese, it was named that by the peeps who first grew it...no marketing involved in the name cheese, well not originally anyway.
I agree 100% that marketing in the cannabis industry is naughty , especially the 'medi' angle.... but then advertising isn't exactly a kindly and honest industry full stop is it
smoketilluchoke
Jul 28 2009, 06:29 PM
QUOTE (nu jerzey devil @ Jul 28 2009, 03:41 PM)

Wow you dont say! what type is that your growin?
i said that because this thread suggests cheese is afghan which it isnt
its uk cheese m8
Archangel
Jul 28 2009, 06:39 PM
Skunk, Cheese, Shit, Egg all good names for some humdinging goodness...
ollie007
Jul 28 2009, 06:50 PM
QUOTE (smoketilluchoke @ Jul 28 2009, 06:29 PM)

QUOTE (nu jerzey devil @ Jul 28 2009, 03:41 PM)

Wow you dont say! what type is that your growin?
i said that because this thread suggests cheese is afghan which it isnt
its uk cheese m8
skunk no1 actualy
guanoman
Jul 28 2009, 07:44 PM
QUOTE (ollie007 @ Jul 28 2009, 07:50 PM)

QUOTE (smoketilluchoke @ Jul 28 2009, 06:29 PM)

QUOTE (nu jerzey devil @ Jul 28 2009, 03:41 PM)

Wow you dont say! what type is that your growin?
i said that because this thread suggests cheese is afghan which it isnt
its uk cheese m8
skunk no1 actualy


@ ARJAN IN HIS CHEESE DIARY. HE SAYS SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF " IT REMINDS ME OF THE SKUNK YOU GOT 20 YEARS AGO" THATS BECOS IT FKN IS M8 SENSI SKUNK NO 1. AND IN MY OPINION AFGHAN SHINES THROUGH FROM SKUNK NO 1 TO SKUNK NO 1 A MEAN CHEESE SORRY JUST MY OPINION. I DIDNT ALWAYS THINK THIS WAY ONLY UNTIL MY M8 GREW AFGHAN AND GOT THAT CHEESY OR SKUNKY PHENO OR IS THIS THE ORIGINAL SMELL OF A GOOD AFGHAN COS AFTER ALL IT IS THE FATHER OF BOTH STRAIN/S. JST MAYBE THE SKUNK NO 1 GOT A STINKY AFGHAN PHENO THAT WID MAKE MORE SENSE NOW THAN MAKING A 3RD STRAIN CALLED CHEESE.
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