QUOTE (Mr_cocofibrelover @ Jul 24 2009, 02:26 PM)

cool ive always liked grape vines... theres a cool 800 year old one at Hever Castle...
how long do they take to grow before you get fruit on them~?? like if i got one how long before it was up and along my fence??
About 4/5 years mate, depending on the position and I would think variety.
I have had mine for about 8 years, it's half grown for it's structure and a compromise when it comes to fruit. The last couple of years have been a washout fruit wise but has looked nice climbing over the wire frame it's trained on.
It's quite an art but a great plant to grow, even managed a few bottles of chateu JOM a few years back, find a local Vinyard and pick their brains a bit you will probably be able to buy your plants as well.
Looking forward to the pics Cantharis, any chance of one now ?
JOM