hey all, I Finally got These Beans and today i've put them straight into soil.

I was going to germinate with the wet tissue method but instead decided to pop them straight into soil. I never usually have a problem doing it this way so I decided if it works for me then why change it. I've potted 6 Grapefruit X Ice alongside 3 Black Widow. I wanted to save a few of these beans just incase this went complately tits up and i can start again, fingers crossed it won't!

Im using for this grow

Westlands Advanced Multipurpose Compost
BioBizz - Earth Juice, Grow and Bloom.

I'll be feeding using Ot1's feeding regime with the wet n dry cycle feeding only once every other day.
I shall veg these for around 4-5 weeks on my windowsill first then onto the 250watt Blue Enviro and then finally under a 600watt Hps.

I'd also Like to Just Say Thank you to Djay and Femaleseeds for letting me Test grow one of there fine strains. I'll do my best to keep the diary updated and loaded with info and pictures.

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Sj

good luck jimmy,
lets hope you get some stinky beasts

all the best,
nb.

Will be watching this grow with big interest. good luck and keep that thumb green....

AT

Hello,

Front row seats for once yea ...

I will skin up and willn't make a mess promise dude.

Peace & Happy growing

Mrm

kool . nice cross

hi jimmy, i see your gonna be trying some beans from Female seeds, I read that you will be using OTs feeding program, i`ve been searching for it, but cant find it, would you be able to help me out please?
Someone in another post suggested i shouldn`t start using my hesi tnt and hesi bloom until like the 4th week of flower, and in the mean time just use some epsom salts.
I just wanted to know how often would i feed the nutes, and should i give it both, the tnt and the bloom in half dosages to start? do i water with nutes everytime they need a feed, or with nutes one feed, plain water next feed, back to nutes?? please if someone could help, and sorry for hijacking the thread!

Thanks for all the replies guys. Im really looking forward to seeing what these shall come out like in a couple of months. Unfortunately there is still no sign of sprouted seedlings yet but its only been a couple of days, im expecting them to pop through in a couple more days.



Mate the Ot1 feeding Schedule is this pretty much. I use it as a guide to get used to a feeding pattern which seems to work for most including myself and a friend of mine BUT we use BioBizz Nutes, I havent anyclue about Hesi Nutes mate. I mean id imagine its not far off the same schedule, although id research a bit more before plowing into feeding them and you WONT need to feed until flower. its all in this below anyway.

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The BioBizz chart is for rooted cuttings not seedlings.

The optimum ph of the compost for maintaining health and growth is 6.5 to 6.8.
It is much harder for the compost to buffer up than to buffer down.
I don't know how many time I have to say this, if you do ph down not below 6.5!
You will mess up the micro flora and if not very careful ruin the compost..

The Best Potting up Size is 3 inch to 6 inch to 11 litre is fine.
But for the 3 inch pots use half and half allmix and perlite. (Or Most Mp compost + Perlite)

As soon as the rootball is netted with fine roots move them to your 6 inch pots and neat allmix (Or Just compost+perlite as i do).

Same story for the move to the final pots. Once in the final pots let them root out the soil ball before flowering, as a general rule of thumb once all the plants are showing roots at the drainage holes. Go to 12/12!!!

****You should not need any feed right through these stages.****

*Once you are in 12/12 (week1) start feeding 1 ml of both grow and bloom to a litre of water.
**At about week 2 of flowering change the mix to 1 ml grow and 2 ml bloom per litre.
***At week 3 [21 days] a one off feed of a heaped table spoon of epsom salts per 10 litres add to that 1 ml of grow and 2 ml of bloom.
****Round the 4 week mark, the mix is 1ml gr and 3 ml bl.

FEED 1ml grow/3ml bloom UNTIL you start to see browning of pistils change to 2 ml gr and 1 ml bl keep with that till the end.

All you really need is grow and bloom + a little epsom salts.

An added point, if you see the tissue between the veins on the lower leaves turning a lighter green at any point its likly the first signs of Mg shortage starting an addition of a little epsom salts to the next feed should keep things right. Don't over do this or else you can lock out other nutrients.

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I use this for seedlings and will be for cuttings and as far as I can tell its almost flawless, ask anyone here..

All the best with ya grow diarie buddy. Hopefully there'll be nice strains.
hantshaze,

thanks alot Jimmy, your a diamond!! Have a wkd grow man!!

All 10 of These Popped there little heads through the soil today, which is a 6/6 for the Ice x GF and 3/3 for the Black Widow.

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Not a great picture to go with but this is more of a wee update to just let you know germination was fine and we are finally off to a good start. They took 4 days to germinate after going straight into soil. I believe things would have been quicker if i had actually used the wet tissue method but hey ho, i'll be doing this next time.

This Morning I saw this on the WindowSill.
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From here on in I say today is Day 1 of Veg. They are pretty much fine and Ive not noticed anything odd about them, except the GF x Ice were a little slower to come through the soil but we literatly are talking a day in it. Apart from that its all fine and dandy.



e2a:: Just so people know there are 10 seedlings there because one is a RSC lebanese i popped in at the same time. I wont be adding it to the diary, this ones going in the garden.

Awww they look so cute at this stage but look even better with fat buds later on keep it up jimmy

cheers buddy.. Things seem fine so far... I'm getting so snap happy today, i thought i'd just chuck another picture up quickly to show you todays progress.. I cannot wait for these to have buds either dude.. its gonna be Epic!

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e2a : forgot pic

If only there was a fast forward button as vegging does my nut in but it's a necessary evil still once there budding you forget how long you waited to put em into flower.

Looks good skinny mate good luck with yours

good luck matey!!!

8 Days Veg

First of all, cheers for the comments Matsi, Treeman n' djay. I wish there was a fast forward button too mate.

Not a lot to shout about so far, everything seems normal with these. Ive repotted into 3" today and didnt water them as they looked a tad over watered already. All roots were nice n healthy and stems are a bit flimsy but ive been bending them about for last couple of days. Wind coming through my window has been helping also.

Apart from that, not a lot else to say really

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interesting grow, will sit at the back with some biccy's if ya dont mind.


ray.

No problems mate. Welcome to the diary

Oi Oi!
Good to see others doing a diary!
Glad you're a few weeks ahead of me, nice referencing point.
Best of luck mate .

Day 15 Veg

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GF x Ice

These are looking lovely and uniform at the moment. Absolutely nothing odd about them so far, no deformitys or mutations and each one seems to be very strong. They'll be due another repot in about a week or so as soon as I get me some more cash for Soil being that I am brutally skint at the moment! Feed-wise, I've still not fed anything other then water as they just havent needed it. all in all looking very healthy so far!

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Black Widow

Only 2 of these remain as My cat decided to jump up onto my windowsill and destroy one of them. Luckily it was the scraggliest of the 3 and im still left with the 2 fairly healthy ones. I have to be honest one of these 2 is mutated and looks very odd, not as uniform as the Gf x Ice. Much taller then the other and could almost be a different strain from what it looks like. But still quite healthy. No feed other then water and will be also due a repot fairly soon.

Hopefully the next post should bring better news and better pictures. Until then.

Peace.

Sj

Hi m8 those gfxice are looking very nice and uniform as you said i think the middle one in the back looks a tad more thinner leaves to me wich maybe a more sat like pheno or it could just be the camera angle i dunno

as for the blackwidow there is a very tall sativa pheno which you may have there she grows very small bud's that are coverd in trichs and will go 12+ week i know a few people that have grown this one out and think the high is astounding but she is a very low yielder having said that to me the taste and the high out do a bland strain that produces loads.

Mine were quite slow in veg but more than made up for it once in flower.

Cheers for the advice Djay..

You could be right about one of the GFxIce, they are all identicle, almost, except 1 which does have what looks like slightly thinner leaves. so on that front your probably right about it being a more sat like pheno.. as for the BW one of is definately taller and I hope it blossoms nicely in the flowering tent. shame they dont yield so much but to be honest im growing so many different strains for the quality not the quantity, well thats not strictly true but its nice to have such a variety of different smokes.

"shame they dont yield so much but to be honest im growing so many different strains for the quality not the quantity, well thats not strictly true but its nice to have such a variety of different smokes. "

i personally don't ever like just doing 1 strain as you tend to get bored of the smoke or smell no matter what the strain is after a while but having said that that's why i love growing from seed as sometimes you may miss out on a nice pheno which may not produce as much but has that something special that makes it worth it in the long run.

Just a quick update...

Everythings going ok still. I had a little bit of a shuffle with them earlier today and realised im actually running out of space for any more plants. Ive had to put 2 of my mazar's outside as I just dont have room on my veg shelf.

anyway got a couple of picture today...

GFxIce - x6 at front of picture / Black Widow - x 2 at back of picture
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heres one of all the plants ive got vegging in my room at the moment.. as yu can see the bubblegummers are still not in flower.. should be next couple of days when they go in.
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Wow some seriously selection of plant's in there m8 something for every occasion i think

when you repot are you going to bury those GfxIce down as they seemed to have stretched a lot to the light, they freak me out plants so leggy as im a clumsy get id probably snap the poor things.

Day 26 Veg

Ive been a bit slow on the updates this past week... i've had a friend visit with some rather bloomin tasty malana cream squiggy stuff and basically we've had our local carnival, etc in out town so its been a rather toasted week for me. not to mention the weathers been sweet also.

I am indeed going top pot them up and bury the stems, at the moment Ive got a bit of a cash flow prob, being that i dont have any cash to buy some new soil at the moment. I will be however sorting that this week. I think i'll probably plant these straight up into 11 litre tubs because the roots are slightly root bound now as ive found out from bubblegummers which had root damage on the outer side of the root ball...
I got a couple of shots just now and as you can see they are still looking good although a little stretched.. I noticed about 3 days ago, they really smell citrusy and definately of grapefruit, . I know these are going to be proper stinkers when they're in full bloom

oh happy days.

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Grapefruit X Ice...
As you can see there are definately a different pheno on the right, it seems just ever so slightly different not to mention the height difference. The smell is musky and sweet at the same time. I cnt wait till these begin to flower now. I know im in for a treat.


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Black Widow...
These are taking a hell of a lot of time to grow and jsut seem grumpy , as you can see from the picture the is 2 obvious different pheno's here also. Not sure what to think of these yet, they've got a bit of catching up to do and they really do just seem like grumpy plants.


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Mazar...
This little beauty has been growing on its own along side the rest vegging slowly in the sunshine. These RSC mazar are a pretty strong strain and the smell in veg is very much different from the GF x Ice

Djay - Next pics will show them in much bigger pots. around 11 litre hopefully. I'm really happy with these seeds so far dude, so glad i got picked. How long would you say is ideal vegin time for these? or to put it another way how long you recon i should go veg for?

Looking good man!
They do seem like stretchy fuckers though eh, i'm hoping that with my light pretty much ontop of them i'll stop this, but who knows!
My Black Widow's seem slightly less inclined to stretch but they're still mental, ah well.

Keep it up eh, i've got a feeling these are gonna be awesome plants! Looking at grows of female seeds ICE and the grapefruit addition.. oh i'm getting far too excited far too early!
Keep it up bro!

"How long would you say is ideal veggin time for these"

Well for the ice i am not to sure as i have not grown them out yet myself although taking into account grapefruit and ice grows id give em around 4-6 weeks min if there going into 11ltr pots as there going to take a while to fill out the pot with roots imo around 6-8 weeks would be ideal but then it depends on your height and style of grow.


The black widow as your finding can tripple her height so id give her less veg time and keep them tied down topped supercropped etc again if heights an issue.



Apart from that there looking well the bw will be slower in veg i found but with the right pheno she more than makes up for it in flower

Day 39 - Veg

Iced Grapefruit...

Just a quick Pre-update before I post a load of pictures in a Bit. Like i had previously said I was trying to veg them out as long as I could and I certainly have. But they have been Just vegging in sunlight. The pheno's are all pretty much the same looking and there definately isnt any deformity, not to mention the fact they are all quite uniform. There has been no deficiency whatsoever, even the bottom leaves are still green and healthy after 39days! These have to be one of the most easiest plants ive grown to date!

Ive been so busy in the past few weeks ive not even got round to repotting and theyve been in 1 litre pots for pretty much the whole time. As soon as i pot these all up today im expecting them to double in size. I have the head room for the size but jsut not the pot space at the Moment in my flowering tent. Ive still got around 2-3 weeks left to go for my other batch so its gonna be a squeeze until i start chopping. The Main problem im having is getting soil into where im growing. It would look rather odd me walking to ------ with a 50litre bag of soil, so im having to do these 3 at a time which obviously is a problem being i have another 10 plants to pot up let alone move the plants themselves.
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Black Widow

This plant is slow as hell. Its on about the 3rd set of leaves and jsut seems like its stopped growing. Out of the 2 i had grown i have 2 different pheno's. To be fair Ive not even bothere repotting this one either yet but it does seem there isnt anyroots coming through the bottom yet so Maybe a slight bit of rootboundness is the problem. this will be all fixed today.

more pictures will be added once the work is done

Sj

Hi m8 i would deff pot those babies on now and i would of topped em as well myself but each to there own, as for Blackwidow being slow yeah she can be a lazy bitch but trust me in flower it all changes (especially if you were growing out the more sativa pheno )

Yea djay your not wrong, i wish i had topped them now although its not to late im still not and im actually ok with growing them out as they are, I've not topped a plant for a long time and im always pleased with the results so im gonna leave them like that. There all hopefully getting moved today if i can and the black widow is going straight into slightly larger pots then the rest because im hoping to get something special this one around my birthday time (end of nov.).. She looks to be a good plant but like you say just very lazy in veg.
I am going to have a go at cloning a couple of the Iced Grapefruits too. might aswell keep the good genetics going as i know there going to be something very special when done. My mates are gonna be well jealous

I promised pictures yesterday but I just haven't got around to it. Ive got some lovely shots of my other flowering buds though which i'll get up as soon as im home

Day 1 - Flower

At long last they are in flower!!! Its been a long Veg for these and they've stretched a fair bit but i am looking for a fair bit of bud from from these also. I repotted into 4.5 litre pots as i couldnt find any more larger pots and ive ran out of bloody soil yet again. That should suffice for time being and this puts my number of flowering plants upto 15 in my 1.2m2 Tent. The move was a bit of a scary one, literatly walking with them in a large box with a black sack over the top about half a mile from my house , and I dont think i've ever been so shit up by police before in my life. I saw at least 2 on those push bikes and 3 police cars all in about 3 minutes drive straight pass me and they all looked at me. Its amazing how paranoia gets the best of you when your walking down the street with a box full of plants !!! but the deed is done and its all go from here!

Anyway they are in and Tucked up in a bucket of good soil and i fed a small amount of BioBizz RootJuice (2ml) to a litre of water just for a bit of a root boost. I dont think i stressed them too much during the move also as i tried to get them shifted into the tent as quickly as possible.

I'll start the feeding of 1mlGrow/1mlbloom around day 10 flower as I think the soil will have enough nutrient to last for a week or so, although if the plant shows signs that it needs a feed then of course it will get a feast of grow n bloom + epsoms.

I also cloned 1 of each pheno of the Iced Grapefruit just to keep them going, A friend of mine just had his plants nicked from his back garden so that'll be his early xmas present when its rooted

"I saw at least 2 on those push bikes and 3 police cars all in about 3 minutes drive straight pass me and they all looked at me. Its amazing how paranoia gets the best of you when your walking down the street with a box full of plants .gif!!! but the deed is done and its all go from here!"


its like that advert there running about stoned drivers with the huge eyes i bet it was quite some adventure

Day 13 Flower.

Been nearly 2 weeks since they went in and they've been slow to start but today finally saw the crowns of the first buds. The Iced Grapefruit for me is really starting to stretch out and I recon there going to be beasts! They got there first feed of epsoms and 2ml Bloom today as I noticed the yellowing starting to begin at the bottom of 2 of them.

The Black widow has started to also stretch and I gave that a dosage of epsoms plus a 1ml bloom added to the 1ml grow. Being that there only 2 weeks in to flower theres still not much to report. I can say they are fairly uniform, although my Rather long veg has made it slightly noticable between the 2 different pheno's ive got of the Iced GF. Apart from that they are lookiung fine, starting to smell much much more citrusy then the other plants i have in the tent. compared to the lemony smelling white rhino i have next to it they are in a differnent class of pong and I can already see there going to start to smell a lot more once those buds appear.

The pictures arent great as My phone was playing silly buggers although i did get a couple of dark-ish ones.

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These 3 are of these are Iced GF except the 3rd one where the Black Widow is in the middle, you can tell by the darker green leaves.
All is well with them and im looking forward for these around the time of my birthday.

Hmm birthday party inc blackwidow and icedgrapefruit count me in m8

I'll bring the pinyata!

you knows it!!! Pinyata full of munchies after a heavy birthday sesh on this stuff is gonna be epic! My Birthday is in December so Ive got plenty of time to cure and get the best tasting stuff.. My mates will be well jealous

Day 18 Flower

I decided to go and have a goosy gander at the girls and give them a trim today and see what i can do about this LSF which is absolutely raping my plants at the moment. My bubblegumemrs started with it and now its unfortunately spreading through the Iced Grapefruits like a bitch. The Black widow seems to be standing its ground and not letting the Mould get to it but the rest arent following suit. Im gonna have to get some PM Essence as soon as possible or something like that citrofresh stuff.

Ive not had a problem with the Mould so far until now or nothing thats been bad enough to seem like a problem but now im not so sure. Think the tent will be needing a bleaching and some new soil and pots after these lot are done. Being that my grow is in a basement i did expect to have a small amount of dampness problems but id get round to sorting it when the problem arises, but silly me as i know the saying goes 'prevention is better then cure!'

Anyway i got a couple of shots for ya to have a looky. I forgot to charge my phone again before i went there and i only managed to get a couple. The first is the group shot of the 4 Iced grapefruit and the other is a smallish budshot. There all looking at about 90% health and buds are starting to form nicely. The bud close up i took is the taller of the 2 pheno's i have in there at the moment, must be about an extra 6 inches taller then the other 3 and i did nothing different with any of them yet. Definately leaning more indica then the rest.

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"Im gonna have to get some PM Essence as soon as possible or something like that citrofresh stuff"

Essence is awesome man but don't bother with the citrofresh it's not worth the cash just buy more essence powder instead it stops stuff dead in it's tracks.

Yea ive known ive needed it for a few weeks now just cash flow is quite non existent for me at the moment. I wont bother with the citrofresh stuff after reading a few posts that it is actually pointless buying it as essence is the only thing that will do the job properly!

Ive chopped a few more of my other plants in the tent leaving me room to add a few more so the other couple of Iced grapefruits and other black widows i have left are going in as soon as i can get them moved to my flowering room.

looking great buddy.. buds really forming now!

yea , don't hang around with that essence.. get it asap!

looking good jim , got some myself , gona pop a few later

Day 30 Flower

All is fine and dandy with these apart from the Lsf which has somewhat slowed now.. Ive been trying not to hack away at the plants dying leaves to much but the worst looking leaves really had to come off and to be honest its worked for the most part. New growth is nice looking and there is definately a sour'ness to the smell of them. That grapefruit tone is really coming through. They did stretch a little for the first week and i its pretty much stopped now. The black widow is looking fine with no problems or stretch really.

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Brought it back a good un!
Bud structure is nice and thick..
gonna be phattys

hell yea man.. Been busy with my other plants that ive just left these too it and ive been feeding normal amount of nutes same as rest of em and they've only now just started to really fatten up. the smell is nice but quite odd, a sour pungent smell but like orange bud mixed with the white rhino ive just chopped mixed together.. should be a lovely smoke, only roughly 35 days to go till then..

Has the Lsf stayed away m8 ? did you get some essence or not... also hows about a little more bud porn for me to gander over

yea i'll be up loading some pics mate either tonight or tommorow... things have gotten a little bit lazy my neck of woods due to that bubblegummer.. Even chopped at 8 1/2 - 9 weeks its tearing me a new one and Im loving it
I mean i've had a single bong bout lunchtime and im still conked from it 5:30 in the afternoon..

I have to say the Iced grapefruit are looking nice and healthy and happy to say the LSF has begun to disappear and only one plant has minor signs of it. Its not bothering me too much as they are looking nearly ready too. About 75% pistils are orange but im only at around day 44-45. The nuggets are looking solid although a tad far apart but the smell really is summing else!

np m8 another one who's head is being taken off by Bubblegummer it surely is a fantastic smoke as i keep on saying i only wish i had a few oz to zonk me out ho hum

Hey guys.. bit of a late update to the Diary but i've got a fair few pictures to show of what i got. First of all my grow room had to be moved so I didnt have much option but to chop late last week. A little earlier than i had hoped for but they went a good 8 weeks and the smoke is lovely. They yielded some very heavily Sugared Buds! The smell is gorgeous, very citrusy but also a definite hint of an Fuel/Diesel or something like that.
One of them had a similar taste to the Bubblegummer oddly enough, a bong leaves a sort of pine taste in the back of your throat and most of the time ive smoked this so far along side the Bubblegummer its left me completely Couchlocked!

Final weight from 6 Iced Grapefruit plants dried was around the 5oz mark.

Black widow which was so slow to flower i barely got an ounce from still, Something else to smoke along side the IxGF

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