here are some pics of Pantagruelion's cross

Pahari Farmhouse mum crossed with (Sensi Seeds?) Mexican Sativa (melon pheno)

Pahari x Mexican Sativa

Hello holy weed mates!



Yes namkha,you are right, the mexican sativa is a dutch strain from sensi seed,the genetic is: oaxacan x (oaxacan x durban/hashplant).It's a weak strain(and one of the cheaper from ssb) but the female i took for the cross was the best of 17 plants,the more mexican looking and the most powerful without the durban anised taste and indica influence(or at least really less).Her high was great,energetic and happy,but not long lasting.

I'm very happy with the mexican sativa x pahari because they all have the characteristic spicy-chemical smell of their mexican mother with a melon part which i think come from the pahari dad.I say this because i use the same male in another cross (early pearl x pahari) ,and in the offspring one of the individual had this melon smell and more important,a melon taste.


So,the exact genetic of this cross is:[oaxacan x (oaxacan x durban/hashplant)] x pahari.

hey - thanks for correcting that --- really beautiful looking cross... I'm really interested to hear about the flavours and highs from the crosses



so did you already do a smoke test?

many thanks

Thanks you namkha!

i was talking about the early pearl x pahari offspring.i grown them last winter and they were early pearl dom.
On 4 females,3 were smelling like "grenadine" or red fruit,and one smell and taste more like melon.
Here are some pics:
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and a last one:
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Good vibes!

Beautiful Pantagruelion!

Did crossing make the Malana genetics easier to handle indoors? Did you feed them any differently?

I'm asking because I have a similar cross in seedform that I made using kullu jungli and an equadorian sativa. I can barely wait until I get a decent flat to grow in.

Thanks you doc!


Well,it depend on the individuals you choose to cross. the ep x p hybrids were better than both parents in term of high,taste and yeild.Some showed sensibility to overwatering but less than the parent plant who had this feature(the pahari in this case).
About feeding,the hydrids were like the landrace and so didn't need a lot of food but it may depend on your way of growing(big or little container,...).those in the pics were grown in 15 litre pot (in plagron growmix ),i feed them one time at 3 weeks(half strenght) and were showing burned tips.
I think i can say they were growing like the early pearl but really bigger(i grown them straight in 12/12,pruned one time, and the average height was approx. 1.20 metre)

Hope it help!


Héhé...i understand you,this cross sound really exciting.Is the equatorian sativa an ibl or a landrace?

Thank you for your answer, it indeed helps alot. I think I'll go with a big pot and mix in just a little bit of manure and bat guano.

I used jungli as the mother in this cross and chose the fastest flowering "sativa" looking plant. The father is fereration seeds celestial temple sativa and is supposed to be a pure ibl from the coastal region of equador. I hope the daddy will make flowering go a bit faster. Unfortunately it won't be until winter I can try it out.

Let's hope everything goes well with the Mexican farmhouse too.

hi and thanks you doc!



woaw,a cross beetwen a kullu jungli and the celestial temple sativa sounds really great!
Does the celestial are the original seeds from federation or from an home made repro?


I was thinking, the cts is supposed to be worked on a strain from the ecuadorian/peruvian border,some people think it's an hybrid,not a real landrace.



Well,it's hard for them,since a month temps in my growroom are like 28-32° celsius,but it seems they are not too disturbed.


so doc,i hope you won't finish mad waiting for this winter grow



Good vibes!

Hehe, good things are worth waiting for.

I received the cts seeds from a canadian grower and they're f2s. I guess there's no way of telling if cts is a hybrid or not, we'll have to take federations word for it. The strain has very thin flexible branches which I think could be a landrace trait. It is also very sensitive to over watering, while kullu is a real drinker. Time will tell how the genes combine. I'll be sure to post pictures here.

Hey,it's funny doc,you think it's not an hybrid but you call them f2, héhé.

When i said hydrid,i was thinking of landrace hybrid,but as we know the important thing is the plant itself,not is lineage.

The cts is a really beautiful strain,and all people who tried it loved it.I have to give it a try.


You must do it!

Here are some pics from another grower(well done bro'),f2 too
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any pics of the dried buds from those crosses?

sounds lovely...

Just a precision,the two pics in my previous post are a celestial temple sativa.(forgot to write it...)

Well,i'm sorry namkha but i have not keep pics.

Yeah, who knows where Equadorian genetics originate from. Somehow cts seems out of place in the equator, being a 70 day strain with quite chunky, resiny buds. I know of Afghani genetics being imported to Colombia and nepalese and pakistani ones to Mexico. Hashplant genetics (as opposed to narrow leaved tropical strains) are wide spread among Latin America and that is why the traditional sativa-indica classification fails to describe the different characteristics in the area.

If I was a purist (which I admittedly was before ) I could even claim that haze isn't a pure sativa because of the things mentioned above. However, as you said the important thing is the plant itself. Over the years I've come to the conclusion that there's not really such a thing as a sativa or an indica, and genetic studies support this view. You can find just about every combination of traits in cultivated landraces in a relatively small area, namely South East Asia. Even the kullu jungli which is a spindly, wine like sativa type showed me a phenotype leaning strongly towards the squat indica type.

namkha, I thought you were all about natural, unique cannabis strains from their original environment, that have never been crossed or manipulated by commercial western cannabis breeders, aren't Sensi a commercial western cannabis breeder?

Make your mind up,

this is a cross made by Pantagruelion using our Pahari and a Sensi hybrid

this isn't something we sell

what's the problem?

From your company blurb you make a big issue of preserving natural landrace strains and pour scorn on commercial seedbanks creating hybrids, yet you are encouraging people to create crosses to produce the very hybrids your company claims to despise, that's the problem.

yes, what I care about most is preserving biodiversity

I'd also like people to enjoy the massive diversity of highs out there

if people want to make their own hybrids that's great

as far as I know, Pantagruelion has also been preserving these heirloom lines in seed form, where possible, as well as keeping clones

I'm sending him some more Lao so he can find a male to use make seeds of that - see the Lao thread

I am not anti-hybrid, I am worried by misinformed use of hybrids - e.g. crossing hybrids with hybrids to make seed - I am also anti boring bud, which does mean being "anti" most Dutch hybrids

have a read around, if you can still find something to have a go at, then keep on posting, as you like

Namkha

That totally contradicts your company mission statement



I don't feeel I can trust a person who claims to want to maintain the purity of ancient lines and at the same time thinks it's great if they create crosses with hybrids, double standards? Then again you are selling seeds so I suppose it's all just salesman talk

where is the problem Danzig?

1. buy some pure heirloom seed

2. make clones and maintain them

3. make a new generation of pure heirloom seed by open pollination of selected plants

and while you're at it, you can also make some hybrids

none of these things are mutually exclusive

all of our lines are pure as advertised

you're welcome to try to question our authenticity, and sling as much shit as you want --- I'm not worried as I know our stuff is the real deal, so none of your shit will stick

and the offer of some seed is still there if you want it Danzig

so keep on trying all you like

our plants are first generation heirlooms - the vigour and diversity is in a whole different league - and the knowledge we have means we are sourcing the finest stuff out there...

Hells-Bells Danz......what really is eating you here??

ha well to be fair, I did have a go at Danzig in the news forums --- and it was a completely unfounded rant I had, as I misread his posts completely

no worries, it's all good

There you go again misreading posts, I haven't made any claims regarding the authenticity of your seeds, I have no doubt that they are what you say they are (the very fact that Joolz has allowed you a forum here says you have credibility)

I was merely expressing my opinion that some of the views you express on 420 are contrary to the mision statement of your company



Thank you for the offer, I'll gladly accept, I would grow them outdoors in Southern Spain so please select me a variety that would flourish in that enviroment



I fully approve of that but I don't see how you can condemn commercial seedbanks for their hybrids and then encourage others to cross breed your seeds with those inferior hybrid strains, if it makes sense to you then that's okay

I wil say no more on the subject

Hi holy weed mates!

danzig

Just a precision,namkha never had encouraged me to do what i do.I'm NOT affiliated with RSC in any way(i'm just one of their customers).To say the truth,i do crosses of modern hybrid/ibl with landrace only in a personnal purpose.I need strains with high thc levels but also others cannabinoids.Modern strains can only give me the high thc,that's why i cross them with landraces.As i am not a breeder,only an average grower,it's the easier way i find to obtain what i need.All those crosses will never get out of my closet.

If you want to criticize cannabis seed banks,i'm sure there is a lot wich have not the ethical of rsc.

Back to the main subject,the ms x p .Here are a few pics of the N°1
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looks bloody lovely PTG

how would you describe the high? ... I'm assuming it's very warm and positive like the Pahari, or not?

man how I miss those Himalayan highs at the minute...