i've never heard of this sativex untill today & was wondering if i could ask my doctor for it as i suffer with severe arthritis in my left knee.
what i read so far is that its prescribed mainly for ms sufferers.

In a word ... maybe, if you're lucky, and very very rich, you could get a private prescription. But as things stand, on the NHS, not a snowballs, old chum.
Mind you, I find Cannabis of little use beyond mood elevation for arthritis. It certainly doesn't deal with the pain, at least, not for me it doesn't.
But others swear by it. Hopefully you'll be one of them, and be lucky enough to find it works.

well i need to see my doctor for more medication (& stronger hopefully) as what he's precribed is a load of crap.
i will be making an appointment first thing tomorrow morning & will enquire about this sativex.
sounds just the thing i need.

If you do get it prescribed i would suggest buying a lottery ticket on the way home, because youll be on a roll.....

I'm not sure it's just the thing you need, many prescription, and even non-prescription painkillers are far more effective analgesics....

Speak to your doctor by all means, but he'd probably prefer to have a look at more conventional pain management plans....

I suffer from hip problems and severe arthritis, and canna gives me a settled night sleep, couple that with prescription codeine for bad days, or just strong doses of prescription ibuprofen and OTC paracetamol on good days, and it's okay.....I smoke canna al the time, but it doesn't relive my pain....as Arnoold has already said it elevates my mood, and also gives me a much better chance of a recuperatiove night's sleep....

Monk...x

a good drink or a very strong skunk is the only thing that numbs my pain.
like u've all ready said i'd be very lucky if i were to be precribed it & i would'nt take it as precribed i'd have a go at DANZIG's Sativex Chocolate,now thats just the thing i need.

You could try making a tincture.... put some good clean bud into some brandy seal it in a jar or bottle and leave in a dark place for ten days or more.. use a pipette or two under your tongue or in food...

how much bud to brandy u reckon ?

I'm not sure what sativex is, but I thought i'd click on this thread because I have a cousin who has/had ms. It made my cousin less energetic than before, and very prone to long lie-ins. like sleeping/staying in bed from 10pm till 11 the next morning.
I think that Big Bang marijuana may be able to help you're pain. I'm growing it this year. I'll get back to you. Good luck on finding something in the meantime. I personally don't really believe in any painkillers/rubbish unless they have another function e.g. ibuprofen makes the swelling go down to i think. But then again... I have never had any serious pains e.g. arthritis, but i am still young so maybe my views will change. Just find things that take you're mind off the pain.

Hi Ombudsman

No surprise that your cousin sleeps loads now, it's not down to laziness Though everyone's ms is diffarent, fatigue is one of the most common symptoms. Good of you to give your cousin what you've grown - I'm sure they'll more than appreciate it

For accurate info on ms google the ms trust and/or the ms society - they explain things really well about ms. Sorry to the OP cos that's not about arthritus My best guess about that is that the GPs'll prescribe some sort of anti-inflammatory like Brufen or Volterol. I too'd be astonished if they prescribed Sativex - they won't give it me either and I have ms As I tell the ms team, that's just about cost. They can't really just agree but have enough decency not to disagree

Thanks man, needed a laugh.

One day, your views will change. On that, I bet my growroom with confidence.
All painkillers have many functions. High opioids not only dull the pain signals in the nerves and brain, they also impart a euphoria, an easing of the mental anguish and tension caused by the pain. They also bring sleep which is impossible otherwise.
If I break your leg, and smash your kneecaps, and maybe wade into your spine with a sledgehammer for an hour or two - will you just look for something to take you're mind of the pain, like a good book maybe?

Only kiddin' with you. Yup, your views will change. I pray god its not too soon, and not too drastic. But when the time comes, you'll know

Arnold I guess we will have to wait and see, I wouldn't bet that my views will definitely change as I have that feeling in the back of my mind that there are ways around pain, maybe! It's just a thought I guess and time will tell.

Cheers for the info btw Arbuscule, Corse I'm gonna smoke a bit myself aswell

Ombudsman you fancey letting us in on these feelings you have in the back of your head on how you may be able to get around the pain? i do know one way around it without painkillers but to be honest suicide is not the answer for me. this is no dig by the way just very intrigued to hear what you think might work seeming co-codomals, tramadol and epidural injections has not even reduced my spine and joint pains by 50%. you pull this off and i'll put a word in for you to become a professor at my pain clinic

Cheers fella

I'm not sure you should be giving advice mate since you evidently know nowt about pain management, MS or Sativex.

As others have said you'll have to be lucky (to find a doctor who will prescribe it)and probably rich too (as you may need to go private due to it's high cost) if you are going to get a prescription for your stated indication mainly because it is unlicensed in the UK. However if Sativex is ever licensed by the MHRA for any condition in this country then that situation may change and you may find yourself able then to find a dcotor who will prescribe it and as the price would likely come down a PCT who are willing to pay.

The only thing that gave me real help with the arthritis was taking lessons in the Alexander Technique. I've mentioned that to a few fellow sufferers that I've met and they've been all keen until they learn that you can't get lessons on the NHS. Are we so conditioned by the nanny state that most of us won't spend our own money on our well being? I visit those people and they show off whatever useless gadget they have just bought so they could afford lessons if they wanted but no...I'm sick and it's someone elses problem. What a crazy way to live.


Here's a quick test to show how innaccurate our sense of body mechanics can be. Place both hands on your knees and then, with your eyes closed, point your index fingers at each other about 6" from your nose and an inch apart. Then open your eyes to see how close you got.

If we can't tell exactly where our fingers are without looking, what happens when we walk? Believing the pavement to be a small fraction of an inch higher or lower than it actually is will do no harm for one footstep but repeat that mistake for every footstep of every day for a number of years and our joints can wear like a harshly driven car.

that is something you need to experiment with to get your dosage right..
i only make tincture with trim and use about half oz to a bottle of brandy

I know thisis a bit off topic but there does seem to be a cure for arthritis, obviously i've never used it but the science is sound and there is a lot of satisfied users...
google cetyl myristoleate, its present naturally in mouse blood and the kombo nut, you can take it orally or rub kombo butter on your skin...
it would be interesting to see if anyone on heres used it, with or without success, i mean it makes mice immune to arthritis but its probably easier to get kombo butter than putting your mice through a mangle...
click my sig to see how dodgy sativex's dealer is, its a shame because it seems to help those wh can get it soo much

I have osteo arthritis and Fibromyalgia and believe me when i say i'm one of the lucky ones because Sativex is like a miracle drug for me, i really dont know how i would of coped without it, but i also have the added bonus of being hyper sensitive to opiate based pain killers. In fact over the counter 30/500 cocodamol leaves me a shaking quivering wreck.


Horses for courses.

I don't have £45 for an hour's introductory "Lesson", let alone for the regular "lessons" that I am told I "Must have". Oh really, must I? Or must their bank ballance? Yeah, I think so.....
£45??
If I had a method of dealing with pain effectively by way of simple posture etc, believe me it would be free to all and sundry!
£45?? Sorry, but I don't get bit that easy, and piss takers charging silly sums really hack me right off.
£45?? Pfft.

i didnt know they were actually offering sativex in this country yet... tho i havnt looked it up in a while. i thought they were still only sluggishly getting through their trials for MS, and any other conditions u wanted to use it for, you'd have to wait, either slug it out in suffering, or go to the black market (or legal dispenciary if so lucky) or grow your own. and then i thought it was only canada that was getting it.

is sativex now available in the uk?

for stuff besides MS???


if anyone responds with a certain "yes", i shall be having words with my dr. AMEN!

~ a quick glance through google suggests they just applying for regulatory aproval this side of the pond yet.

Lessons are about £30 round here, higher rents and property pricves where you are I'd guess.

The teachers don't get rich Arnie, plus they've spent a few years getting trained as well. A slower selling service carries a higher rate, we all know that, it's not piss taking at all. Chiropractors and yoga teachers get paid. No nhs support support for the Aexander Technique so all the living expenses of the teachers have to come from the students pockets. It would be cool of you to become a qualified teacher and give lessons for free but how would you pay the bills and buy groceries?

As the saying goes, it's not what it costs but what it's worth. 10 lessons will do most arthritis sufferers more good than spending £450 on their first grow. There's a quiet little satisfaction that comes from the actual growing which is why I said 'most'. A lesson a week for 2 or 3 months would eaasily give more benefit than buying a quarter for each of those weeks because the benefits of the lessons stay with you for life.

My mum has Rheumetoid Arthritis and heart problems and going by what GW Pharmaceticals have advised, once the soon to be started Sativex trials for Epilepsy, Cancer, Schizophrenia and Diabetes are completed, trials will commence for it's pain releiving properties (to include RA), which upon fruition will cause no end of problems for the other Pharmacetical companies who prescribe synthetic pain relief, at a massive loss for thier current shareholders.

I hope to have my mum on this trail as soon as it starts and I have asked GW to advise me, where the trial will take place and could my mum be a part of it. Hopefully this will be in London somewhere.

Anyways if my mum gets lucky and gets onto this trial I will post the results. Take care, sorry to hear about the RA.

Good evening everyone, sorry I don't get to be on here much.

M

I suffer from osteo arthritis in my knees elbows ( along with tennis elbow) and wrists and ankles. At one stage I thought I may have to give up work I was in so much pain at work, I am a decorator. I was given a Naproxen tablet and after about 4 hours I had 48 hours paion free time. I went to my docs and he prescribed me Naproxen and I now get by each day with one 500mg tablet and believe me, they work very well.

Easy.
For a start, I wouldn't charge a fee. I would ask for folks to give what they think the therapy is worth, and what they can conveniently afford. Maybe take a little payment in kind, like a phezzie or a hare from a gamekeeper or a wee box of veg from a gardener etc etc etc. I'd ditch the clinic, work from home, drive my usual old heap, I'm sure you get the picture?

You say they don't become rich. At £45 an hour, and with a posh clinic and a long waiting list ... I think someone is doing very well out of it round here
And this isn't urban, this is backwoods total rural Yorkshire farmland we're talking. House prices/rentals are amongst the cheapest in the country, this a totally depressed area.

I know the AT gets rave reviews but at best its only on offer to the wealthy midle classes and beyond. Folks like me just don't have £45 a week lying around.

you are right Chicken lips I don't know what I'm talking about but it's not like I'm trying to force any views down your throat. But I just think that modern society is going in the wrong direction and painkillers are an example. They're just not natural.. In some cultures painkillers don't exist, don't you think they have an alternative method? And don't you think it works for one reason or another? I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT. I'm just trying to keep open-minded, which I know must be so so so hard for some who have it harder than me in one way or another, and maybe one day i will just realize that there's no winning, but right now I still believe that this world is a crazy place and we are capable of more than we think we are, we just may not know it!!.
Ahhh I dunno I'm not very good at articulating my views but I don't mean to cause offense chicken lips I am just giving my viewpoint of life right now which I am entitled to, and which may change when I am wiser about life.

Huh?
Codeine, Morphine, both naturally occurring analgesics that have been in use for thousands of years in a huge array of cultures. OK, historically speaking it was the whole Papaver Somniferum latex that was used, but that latex is only of value due to its being packed full of Morphine, Codeine and other analgesic compounds.

I wasn't concerned that you were forcing anything down my throat just that you express opinions which are misinformed. Take your point above that analgesics are some how an example of a society moving in the wrong direction. I'm afraid I don't follow, you're saying it would it be more civilised to let more people suffer in pain? How is discarding something that evidently adds value to many peoples lives being open-minded?

I for one am not against alternative techniques in fact quite the opposite I'm for whatever works for you. I just think treatments that are offered, particularly ones you are asked to pay for should have some evidence of efficacy.

Yeah i understand what you're saying, and i think my views are a bit all over the place but they will define as I learn more about life. It's just really because my dad does reiki (only a little bit only to family really) but I can feel this feeling, like 'energy' when he has done it on me in the past and It just makes me think that the world is unique in some way like that but we will never learn about it because the main focus is on technology.