If you're in a hurry to treat your plants, can you boil the water for 10 mins instead of bubbling it for 12 hrs, to remove the chlorine? I used to make kombucha, an edible fungal/bacterial tea and I always followed the instructions below with no problem. The kombucha cultures brewed quite happily in filtered, boiled water so the same should be true of essence shouldn't it? Perhaps bubbling for a couple of hours to oxygenate the water before adding the essence would be worthwhile but is 12 hrs really necessary if the chlorine has already been removed through filtering and boiling? Thanks.



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How much of a hurry? You are gonna have to let it cool. I got meself a water butt and use rain water.

It cools super fast in the freezer. I like the water butt idea but that would be a project for the future.




I don't think that chloramines can be removed very easily with bubbling or boiling, connor. Boiling for 20 mins or using a carbon filtering does remove it though, apparantly so filtering and then boiling should be fine.



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Thanks but I'm not interesting buying anything, just using what's around the house to speed up the dechlorination process.

Just buy the water if your in a hurry ? Try your local aquarium shop or tesco

yeah im with you on the cloramines killing of benificials but surely ro water ( dead water ) has no benificials in the first place so therefore although super dooper clean there would be restrictions in nute uptake as theres sod all to convert the food in there untill the rez matures , also there bound to be residual shit within any grow esspecially with say rockwool and hydroton so wouldnt it be a pointless pursuit to try to get so clinically clean before adding nutes knowing it will be tainted as soon as it hits the grow anyways

i think ro has its place when your water levels are shit but if its anything like mine at say 78ppm is not really needed , i understand america suffers with tap ppm`s at around the 400 hence its popular over there

just a thought you know

Could do I guess but the shops are miles away and I haven't got a car. I have a bottle of deionised water that's been sitting around for a few months. I wonder if that would be ok. I'm still interested to know whether filtering and boiling would be okay in the future though.

yeah i agree you can add , seems odd to need to add by removing in the first instance

as for the knowing whats in there then yes and sadly its almost pointless IMO for a couple of reason , firstly as said before theres always residule in any hydro system and its simply impossible to get a grow inert between rez changes , another is simple phenos , if its a clone grow with exacting enviromental conditions then over time its possible using trial and error to find out exactly what a plant requires but as theres massive differences between genotype and phenotype its a poinless pusuit to create a sterile condition as it would be a lottery to know what a sinlge plant would need without the impossibility of then going for multi strains , also reserch into plants arent strain speciphic to cannabis and any guides we have are genric to either plnts in general or something other than cannabis , therefore the grow charts are useless to us as growers and its back to trail and error to find out what a plant needs at what stage within its development , its that or buy something off the shelf at the hydro shop which therefore makes it all a waste as who knows what has gone into a grow formula ? , i must say though for removal of heavy metals its second to none and i hope theres none in the nutes i use

just flapping the mouth , nothing ment by all this , just giving a slightly different perspective

errrrr much easier just to get that water butt just in case , i dont know about boiling so cant really comment , getting a fish tank is also a great source of emergency water as is a well set up pond , aquaponics doncha know

Moggggys, this is completely irrelevant. He was talking about using RO water for brewing Essence, a foliar and soil additive.

Connor, I think he got confused and thought that you were talking about using RO for hydro.

i am and yep im a fuckwit

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sorry

I take it that mineral water wouldn't need bubbling for 12 hrs prior to adding essence? It contains chlorides but they are stable and non reactive, like sodium chloride (salt).

Jesus christ, in the time its taken t debate all this you could have bubbled enugh water fr ten batches.

Too much thought goes into this stuff sometimes and often for little end result. I seriously doubt that it will make any noticeable difference either way.

I think oldtimer uses his feed water straight from the tap. Something to think about.

Bubble or boil your water for the essence, buy it from the shop, collect it from the sky....it really doesnt matter. It still works. Take it from me.

You don't need to bubble for 12 hours to remove the chlorine anyway. Yoiu need to bubble for an hour or so before adding the essence and then go on to bubble for another 12 hours ish to brew/activate. Whatever way you remove the chlrine you are going to still need the 12 hours ish to activate the brew.

Who said I hadn't brewed it since starting the thread? It wasn't just about the immediate future anyway, I also wanted to know for the long term future.



Well OT wasn't here to say that was he? You had the benefit of knowing that, yet you expect everyone else to behave as if they knew too. There was a time when you didn't know either.

gunna

Hey Gunna, couple of links for you.

Pro-Libs brew guide - http://www.uk420.com/boards/index.php?show...t&p=1497689

And a post from OT in that thread on brewing/activating essence - http://www.uk420.com/boards/index.php?show...t&p=1704701




Edit 2 add - OK just noticed pro-libs guide says to bubble the 2nd jug of water for 12 hours to get rid of the chlorine. But given the brew water only needs bubbled for an hour or so before adding the essence I don't think this is necessary, only needs an hour or so I reckon. Or you could just brew the essence in a bigger container so you don't have to dilute the brew at all before spraying.

Thanks Blue Pixie. Yes, it was Pro Lib's mentioning of bubbling the plain water for 12 hours that gave me the impression that 12 hrs was needed.

No offence gunna, but all I was trying to say was that you're complicating this way too much. Plus, all the info you could possibly need is right here on the plant magic page.

The advice I would give to anyone is: this growing lark will throw up enough problems, and ones which you really need to research and experiment in order to solve, without making things like letting water sit for an hour into a complicated excersise. Don't mean to offend brother, just that seeing you worrying so much about brewing a batch of essence that you are willing to travel to buy water, or a butt to collect the rain in, I wanted to put it into perspective. Like I said, don't worry, the essence works, immediately.

Also, a little tip for keeping it at the right temperature:

If you have gas hobs and wall mounted cupboards in the kitchen, stick the hobs on full whack til the kitchen gets really warm, shut the doors, switch off all hobs except one, and put your essence mix in the top of one of your cupboards to brew. Obviously heat rises so the temps at the top of the kitchen are ideal for your needs.

Do not stick on top of a radiator. It gets much to hot. I measured it at over 40c. Maybe some towels would sort this, but getting temps right would be a pain in the arse.

I put my hygro/thermometer into the top of the kitchen cupboard and left it. The temps read a steady 28-30 degrees, almost ideal for brewing the stuff apparently.

Papaduc, I appreciate your advice but I found your initial approach unecessarily dismissive. Let's forget about it and move on.