Chunkz
Nov 6 2003, 01:41 PM
Hi all,
Not sure if this is the best forum to post this thread but anyway..........
Just wanted to share a major disappointment with you all - and perhaps save you the time and money its cost me.
Having shelved out 44 nicker for some FEMINISED snow white seeds from Nirvana and having the misplaced confidence to germinate just the one for percy - I am mightily pissed off to announce that the plant wasnt female, wasnt even a hermie but a freakin male!!!!
Now it might be that as a noob I didnt take the best care of it, it might have been stressed out but I dont believe that a femmed seed would turn male, would it????
This would not be so bad as an isolated incident but having just sexed another two 4 weeks in I can confirm that they are............MALES!
So a word of warning - dont shelve your hard-earned dosh out on femmed seeds unless you are very confident the supply is reliable.
I have another 9 left but reluctant to waste more time...........
Ive heard Dutch Passion are a more reliable source of femmed seeds - anyone confirm that?
Cheers Chunkz
Yeah. Nirvanah seeds are crap mate. They are just about a step up from bagseed (only just though).
What do you really expect for a tenner though. You get what you pay for.
I grew a load of Nirvanah out on my last crop, specifically Blue Mystic, Durban Poison and Purple Power.
Out of the 10 purple power, I had 3 germinate - all males
Out of 10 durban poison, 4 germinated, 2 males, 2 hermies
Out fo the Blue Mystic, I had 6 females out of the 10 seeds, but the sodding things autoflowered as soon as they became mature, because they had a load of Ruderalis in the genetics. The Blue mystics were the only half decent ones out of the lot, and they were still far from up to scratch. The smoke was nice, but I did not keep any mothers from them.
Dutch Passion do good seeds. I doubt if you will be disappointed with them
Chunkz
Nov 6 2003, 02:16 PM
| QUOTE (Offmehead @ Nov 6 2003, 02:55 PM) |
Yeah. Nirvanah seeds are crap mate. They are just about a step up from bagseed (only just though).
What do you really expect for a tenner though. You get what you pay for.
I grew a load of Nirvanah out on my last crop, specifically Blue Mystic, Durban Poison and Purple Power.
Out of the 10 purple power, I had 3 germinate - all males
Out of 10 durban poison, 4 germinated, 2 males, 2 hermies
Out fo the Blue Mystic, I had 6 females out of the 10 seeds, but the sodding things autoflowered as soon as they became mature, because they had a load of Ruderalis in the genetics. The Blue mystics were the only half decent ones out of the lot, and they were still far from up to scratch. The smoke was nice, but I did not keep any mothers from them.
Dutch Passion do good seeds. I doubt if you will be disappointed with them |
| QUOTE |
| What do you really expect for a tenner though. You get what you pay for. |
I wouldnt mind but I paid 44!!!
Wont be makin that mistake again - thanks OMH
Chunkz
Chunkz
Nov 6 2003, 02:16 PM
Oops didnt mean to quote the whole lot DOH!
StonedBrittania
Nov 6 2003, 02:21 PM
Chunkz,
Where did you buy the seeds?
The may let you return them.
SB
Chunkz
Nov 6 2003, 02:23 PM
Got em from potseeds website but came from Totnes Hemp Co. (THC)
I do feel a lil ripped off so will tap em up.
Chunkz
Nov 6 2003, 02:29 PM
Having checked their website they make a big play that in the uk they sell the seeds as exotic budgie food - I understand they have to but will be interested to hear their point of view when I tell em I cultivated 3 and they are all males.
Ive sent the email off - will let you know the response.
Cheers
Chunkz
Nov 6 2003, 03:13 PM
Hi SB / all
Just an update - got very speedy response back from THC explaining that they are not the seedbank but have registered my complaint with Nirvana who would normally send a replacement.
In any case THC are sending me a replacement bag - so fair play to them.
Thanks for the suggestion - I was too busy getting my knickers in a twist to think about contacting them.
I will let you know how future grows with Snow White go.
Yin and Yang balanced once more
Bish
Nov 6 2003, 03:26 PM
| QUOTE |
| THC are sending me a replacement bag - so fair play to them |
Good on them. Not as if they're short of a bob or two
Chunkz
Nov 6 2003, 03:32 PM
| QUOTE |
| Good on them. Not as if they're short of a bob or two |
Absolutely - Seeing as I have had lots of support and advice thru UK420, if they send me a replacement bag I would like to donate half to good homes.
This might not be a tempting offer considering the probs Ive had but if anyone is interested in some femmed snow white seeds let me know the best/safest way to get them to you.
Cheers
StonedBrittania
Nov 6 2003, 03:34 PM
Yep fair play to em,
Think most web based seed co's seem to be ok about returns.
Lets just hope they don't send another pack of Nirvana cause the same thing will probably happen again.
Good luck with the new beanz!
SB
Chunkz
Nov 6 2003, 03:51 PM
Just thought - as no-one knows me from Adam its unlikely u are goin to give addresses etc soooooo is there a PO Box or address to send stuff to the medi pool. There is no way I have the setup or the requirement to do another packet - I still have 9 left from the first.
Joolz???? Any suggestions?
Chunkz
Chunkz
Nov 6 2003, 03:58 PM
Just answered my own Q - found the address in the Medi Seed Pool area - Joolz - when I get em - you'll get em.
Cheers
Chunkz
litelbo
Nov 6 2003, 07:29 PM
nacho
Nov 6 2003, 09:24 PM
i hear alot of people have germination problems with nirvana seeds....dunno why??
last week i germed 3 purple power..3 papaya...3 northern light....3 white widow(not nirvana) and a single durban poison..
i got 13/13 to germinate and within 2 days 13/13 had sprouted....100% germ and sprout....so im gonna say there is nothing wrong with their beans at this point in time for myself..
i just use paper towel method, soaked and put in a dark cupboard.
Mr-J
Nov 7 2003, 10:55 AM
I've never had problems with Nivana seeds either, I got my 1st packet in Amsterdam, planted 5 and messed up, planted the other 5 100% germ, 1 female which ended up 1/2 full of seeds .
From these seeds I then had 5 from 8 turn out to be females and later 9 from 10 females, including this.........one sprout later died
Chunkz
Nov 7 2003, 01:04 PM
Guess I have just been unlucky then.........
DAGGACANNA
Nov 7 2003, 02:42 PM
Had some snow white fem seeds from them and they grew wierd and then went hermie, i spent £172. Before that i bought 100 staight white widow after sorting males out i only landed up with 3 stonkin plants, best ever. There breeders have made a lot of fuck ups and they are changing them. there is a article on it in Overgrow site.
I would stick to staight seeds and select best clones. Good luck with any new grow. Try white Russian from 420 shop, they grow good and have 22%THC.
dra1002000
Nov 20 2003, 04:25 PM
I got some feminized snow white from potseeds too. 4 out of 4 germinated and they're growing well. Haven't got to the point where I can determine the sex yet ... I'll be bloody annoyed if they turn out to be male though.
I'll let you know ...
webby
Nov 20 2003, 05:01 PM
I'm never gonna grow nirvanna again.
Although they're good for the first timer who wants to learn and isn't fussed about any cockups they may do, it's still alot of money in comparison to other breeders e.g. Dutch passion Fem Skunk#11 £30 where as fem Snow white approx the same price but not a very stable strain at that
I've grown Ice before and the strain was not stable at all. Each plant had totally different characteristics and they all turned out to be male.
My SnowWhites at the mo
ARE females but again they differ quite alot from one another. Where as my Bluebubble Juice were very strong from the start.
I would strongly erge all to spend the extra bit of cash for something that you know has a proven back ground
Take care
WEBBY
tinder
Nov 23 2003, 09:55 AM
The jury is still out as far as myself and Nirvana seeds are concerned.
I recently germinated 12 out of 12 of their Papaya seeds in rockwool without any problems...all are thriving, though two show some minor deformities of their first leaves...whether this due to genetics or environmental factors I can only guess. Three days later I then germinated 5 of Nirvanas Big bud seeds, these are showing signs of, what i believe to be, poor breeding with 1 never getting past the cotyledon stage. Growth just stopped dead. Another, which I've posted a photo of, the first photo, is developing like a normal plant would, but is doing everything in miniature...another example of week genetics in my opnion. For comparison, the 2nd photo is one of its siblings. 3rd photo down is one of the Papaya.
I'm not really complaining about this, as stated above it has to be looked at in the context of ten seeds for a tenner...which is after all, pretty cheap.
detoxed
Nov 23 2003, 11:20 AM
Right for all those still fuming you have to understand there are TWO nirvana seeds : femmed and non femmed. The femmed are ones with the bad rap but the standard are on par with the rest of seedsbank. Here's my Holland Hope from Nirvana :
Detoxed
Mind you she was seeded by a male who my friend left in accidently, but I can assure you no prob growing them.
mcbob
Nov 23 2003, 08:34 PM
the nirvana white widow i have just harvested 14 oz (dry) of is some seriously smashing gear. standard non feminised seeds. £10, not bad i thought
only my second grow and although the last one produced some excellent orange bud (seeds cost 3 times as much) this white widow is mind blowing. never been as high in 15 yrs of toking
ordering more asap.
got some nirvana haze, papaya and sk#1 about 6 weeks til harvest (altho probly not for the haze)
they been growing no probs too. every seed germed. none destroyed or bollocked up (..yet)
my 2 bobs wurth
Chunkz
Nov 24 2003, 02:26 PM
The site I got my seeds from checked with Nirvana and apparently Nirvana had sent Potseeds normal SW and not femmed - this is prob why I got males!
Anyway Ive been sent replacement seeds and will let you know how they get on.
Cheers
Chunkz
karmacoma
Nov 24 2003, 09:46 PM
my 2p's worth
germed 3 nirvana afghani - 3 fems, big yield (not weighed) smell was awesome but its not summat i particularly liked
germed 10 nirvana four way - 8 fems, average yield smell, taste and high very very good
germed 3 nirvana mangos - all 3 popped but i necked em due too lack of space
every nirvana seed ive germed sprouted, so i cant really complain
these were standard nirvana beans supplied by different seed vendors
personally i wouldnt rush out and buy em, only for the reason that theres a lot more strains from lots of different breeders id rather try first
i think there worth the tenner they retail at, and if u look around u can try em for nowt
if moneys tight or its ur first gow these seeds are ideal
take it easy
regards
karmacoma
G-Whizz!
Nov 24 2003, 11:48 PM
Karma
What growing medium did you use to germinate those Nirvana seeds?
The only reason I ask is that I've got two packets (Misty and Aurora Indica) and will be trying to germ them in rockwool.
Like that sucess rate you got going on there!
G
karmacoma
Nov 25 2003, 06:05 PM
| QUOTE (G-Whizz! @ Nov 24 2003, 11:48 PM) |
Karma
What growing medium did you use to germinate those Nirvana seeds?
The only reason I ask is that I've got two packets (Misty and Aurora Indica) and will be trying to germ them in rockwool.
Like that sucess rate you got going on there!
G |
alrite mate
ive always used bog roll
2 sheets on a plate and misted till its damp
seeds on top then another 2 sheets and misted again till its damp
then the plate goes in a dark blue carrier bag and straight in a drawer where i keep my socks
taproots usually show in around 24 hours, but the mangos did take 3 days too crack
water is just straight tap water stood for a day in a spray bottle
rockwool cubes i soak the same time as i my seeds go in
these are soaked in tapwater ph adjusted too 6
the water left over i use too mist the seedlings once a day
good luck with the seeds, ive read a lot of good things about misty
hope this helps
regards
karmacoma
G-Whizz!
Nov 25 2003, 07:19 PM
Thanks for that m8
Never tried that method (rockwool, sooooo easy!) as I was worried about drying out, but you've got it sussed.
Still in love with that GR of yours? I know I am!
I've got a bit of a dilemma as I dunno whether to get rid of some seedlings I've got, or wait for them to catch up to a Blueberry and a Christmas tree (?), and then start flowering the lot.
Just want to get on with the flowering now so that there will be some for Santa...
Then the Misty project can begin. Was worried at first when they were from Nirvana, but having read the threads can see that it was the feminised company.
Also got a packet of Aurora Indica as I haven't got a lot of height to play with so should have plenty to keep me busy over the winter months.
After I've done with them I wanna try a Mazar mebbe from DP...
Anyway keep us posted on your GR and let us know what you decide to grow next...
Happy cultivating...
G
G-Whizz!
Nov 25 2003, 07:23 PM
Blueberry on the left...
billy beak
Dec 4 2003, 09:08 AM
Chunkz,
I can not talk from experience regarding Nirvana fem seeds, but I have heard there have been problems regarding hermies with these, I believe Gypsy Nirvana has withdrawn Nirvana (Seed Co) Fem seeds from his shop. I can tell you that I have grown Dutch Passion Fem seeds and I have not had any Hermaphrodite plants from the seeds that I grew out, 15 x Skunk 11 and 16 x Green Spirit, as I said not one hermie. I have seen the odd grower report isolated hermie incidents with DP Fem, but most people who have grown seem to report positively.
I would like to add that I have grown Nirvana (Seed Co) NLxBB and these I was happy with, good yield and smoke, although a tad wild on the stretch side.
Hope this helps.
All the best
bb
Gmyst
Dec 8 2003, 10:12 AM
Just finished growing out 2 strains by them Bg and there WW and to say the least I'm most dissapointed ,while growing the first one to finish looked great big buds loads of Trichome production the works but had a funny smell,so did the bg the other WW was slow to start budding up and had smaller looser buds but smelled sweet almost grapefruit like .Now dried and nearly two weeks in the jar the first WW smells like shit cant bring myself to even try it ,the BG Ive tried and dont like it at all none of us do,has some underlying bad taste like it was nuts still in the plant but it couldnt be as the others had less water than these which had 3 weeks of water phed not a hint of anything BUBBLEGUM at all even its bouquet has me lost.The second WW is still curing out and isnt as bad but I'm still not convinced its any good very strong mind ya but I like to enjoy mt smoke not be thinking wa that burns the tounge a bit and shes bitter and acrid does not make for a good smoke no matter how good the high is .G
buddy
Dec 8 2003, 09:57 PM
Man that sounds wild.
Ganj69
Jan 23 2004, 08:54 PM
I've been using Nirvana N.L strains the last year - I'd rate their regular seeds alongside most of the big (read stupidly expensive) boys - As regards the feminized issue, it always makes me larf when people go into such minute detail about how organic and natural their grows are and the fertiliser is form some bat species that can only take a shit behind Victoria Falls and then they're popping freaks (for that is what feminized seeds are) into their pots - yeah man ... My only tip when it comes to seeds sold cheap is to stay the hell away from KC Brains... Nuff Said
TheGanjaFaery
May 28 2004, 12:05 PM
my plants are DPxSkunk#1 from nirvana,
they're turning out fine.
buy ordinary seeds and cull the males...
no feminized seeds are 100% all girls,
i had ordinary freebie seeds and out of
7 that got past seedlinghood, i only got 1 male.
*shrugs*
*grins at her plant*
- first time growing to full term...
2 weeks to go till harvest.
oh yeah, it autoflowered too.
under ordinary indoor windowsill daylight.
cool, huh?
not trying for max yields,
just glad to have trichomey buddage =)
G-Whizz!
May 28 2004, 12:35 PM
| QUOTE (TheGanjaFaery @ May 28 2004, 01:05 PM) |
not trying for max yields,
just glad to have trichomey buddage =) |
Mine are nearly finished, and I've fast dried one out of the three. Tasted good what little samples I've tried, buzz was good, not too physical, more in the head with the munchy touch. I will be leaving the rest of what I've chopped (trying to!) to dry properly, and once cured, well it can only get better.
The other two plants will be left until the majority of the trichs are amber, then harvested and cured properly.
IMO Nirvana offer a substantial value for money, and I will not hesitate in buying from them again.
My next grow will be the Misty again along with FDM Generals Daughter. The AI's I would recommend to anyone. So what if they cost a tenner for ten seeds. They work!!!
SpaceCadet
May 28 2004, 03:27 PM
I have grown White Widow and Durban Poison from Nirvana. The WW was not great ... vary variable characteristics and a harsh taste.
The DP was actually excellent - uniform plants, fast flowing and a nice potent sativa high.
See DP pics hereSee WW pics here
tha_fiend04
May 28 2004, 06:35 PM
i think for the money-nirvana is the best breeder
i've got bubblegum, nlxbb & white rhino all lookin good
i've heard that their ak48 is a top strain as well
Joolz
May 28 2004, 09:35 PM
| QUOTE (tha_fiend04 @ May 28 2004, 07:35 PM) |
nirvana is the best breeder
|
bit of a contradiction in terms there mate
| QUOTE |
| i've heard that their ak48 is a top strain as well |
The strain it's copied from is
G-Whizz!
May 28 2004, 09:45 PM
I take it that you are refering to Serious Seeds AK-47
?
Joolz, if you had the choice of Nirvana AK-48, and the Serious Seeds AK-47, you would take the Serious Seeds even though it's five times the price doesn't make it five times as good
?
Vlad (the impala)
May 28 2004, 09:55 PM
the way I look at it is that if you're going to spend 4 or 5 months of your life doing a grow, and spending a small fortune on setting up your growroom, its sheer lunacy to penny pinch on seeds - and in fact, you needn't spend a fortune - go for "the Pure" - £18.95, or one of the Sensi Skunks for around £20 - you'll get good seeds from good genetics - go absolutely mad and spend £30 on some of the Celebrity seeds, or the FDM when they're back in stock! - not expensive, and worth every penny!
"you reap what you sow"
Joolz
May 28 2004, 10:33 PM
| QUOTE (G-Whizz! @ May 28 2004, 10:45 PM) |
| I take it that you are refering to Serious Seeds AK-47 |
yep
| QUOTE |
| Joolz, if you had the choice of Nirvana AK-48, and the Serious Seeds AK-47, you would take the Serious Seeds |
no contest mate
would choose Serious Seeds over Nirvana every day of the week
| QUOTE |
| even though it's five times the price doesn't make it five times as good |
its not just the price over quality, there are also the ethics to consider
Simon at Serious spend's years selecting, and crossing and honing the AK47 strain, winning many cups and awards along the way , then along come the parasite seed co who blatantly hack a copy of his creation, change the name by one digit and then undercut him
G-Whizz!
May 28 2004, 11:16 PM
What's a bloke to do
I'd love to try the AK-47 (always on the look out for a good Indica), but can't afford the £50 (in the region of). Am I to wait until who knows when, or do I spend £10 now which I can afford???
| QUOTE |
Vlad (the impala) Posted on May 28 2004, 10:55 PM
the way I look at it is that if you're going to spend 4 or 5 months of your life doing a grow, and spending a small fortune on setting up your growroom, its sheer lunacy to penny pinch on seeds - and in fact, you needn't spend a fortune - go for "the Pure" - £18.95, or one of the Sensi Skunks for around £20 - you'll get good seeds from good genetics - go absolutely mad and spend £30 on some of the Celebrity seeds, or the FDM when they're back in stock! - not expensive, and worth every penny!
"you reap what you sow" |
I understand totally what you're saying Vlad, but it's because I can't afford to spend anymore on the GR really. Nirvana genetics THAT bad to be avoided at all costs
? I'm just not that sure. I have a couple of the FDM Generals Daughter (ta Joolz
) vegging at the mo, and it's not until I've reaped what I've sown will I be able to say one way or the other. But as for now, if someone asked me if they should try a Nirvana strain, I wouldn't turn them away from them. They seemed to have worked for me, well the Aurora Indicas anyway.
PS. Is EVERY Nirvana strain a copy of an original of somewhere else? If so who does the original Aurora Indica, cos I would definitely get some of those beans...
Vlad (the impala)
May 28 2004, 11:26 PM
I think its a question of the odds - you MAY get a halfway decent seed from Nirvana, but the likelihood is a damned sight lower than with seeds from almost anybody else! I know a great many people who've had either total crop failure, or grown 'em out to find they're about as psychoactive as Ovaltine...........
Again, like in many fields, the big companies "hype" a product to death, and then spend a lot of money telling us its the dogs danglies, and charge a bleeding fortune for the privilege, when a good batch of seed from can be had from a reputable seed supplier of something less "fashionable", but just as good for a fraction of the price.............
C'mon you lot - £18.95 is NOT a fortune!
Vlad (the impala)
May 28 2004, 11:32 PM
-the other point is that I reckon so many people try to grow too many strains all at once - surely the wise move is to grow one or two varieties from seed, select the best, grow mothers, and then grow from clones - it may well take 3 or 4 grows before you get everything "right" for just one phenotype - and I'll lay money that someone who goes that route is far more likely to consistently produce really good weed (even using "unfashionable" but good seed), than spending a lot of loot on the "top ten", and not getting to know the plants, selecting favourite phenotypes etc!
BigDaDa
May 29 2004, 04:25 AM
I am currently growing ak-48 by nirvana, so far it has been a very good plant to me, very uniform growth, nice big leaves and not too much stretch, its good very stable genetics... i know of someone who has grown serious and nirvanas ak f2, and he basically rates them as the same except the serious was more fussy about nutes.
If your a little short of change and you want an easy grow the ak from nirvana is a good choice, you can guarantee you'll get a good mother from the lot of them, nirvanas seeds maybe cheap but for begginers and experts alike you can get a good few nice plants from them.... i have heard amazing things about nirvanas ak and i can't wait to get them into flower
Vlad (the impala)
May 29 2004, 08:33 AM
Arnold Layne
May 29 2004, 08:41 AM
"-the other point is that I reckon so many people try to grow too many strains all at once - surely the wise move is to grow one or two varieties from seed, select the best, grow mothers, and then grow from clones - it may well take 3 or 4 grows before you get everything "right" for just one phenotype - and I'll lay money that someone who goes that route is far more likely to consistently produce really good weed (even using "unfashionable" but good seed), than spending a lot of loot on the "top ten", and not getting to know the plants, selecting favourite phenotypes etc!"
Top post M8.
I'm still learning new stuff from my Skunk No.1 after 6 years.
I really do believe you need to grow a clone for several grows before you find out its true value.
As to Nirvana - I don't like their ethics so don't buy their seeds. "Aurora"? sounds like a Northern Lights {"Aurora Borealis"} knock-off to me.
Red Dragon
May 29 2004, 09:13 AM
| QUOTE |
| "-the other point is that I reckon so many people try to grow too many strains all at once - surely the wise move is to grow one or two varieties from seed, select the best, grow mothers, and then grow from clones - it may well take 3 or 4 grows before you get everything "right" for just one phenotype - and I'll lay money that someone who goes that route is far more likely to consistently produce really good weed |
Yup -
Our first grow was with Nirvana seeds. No worries with germing seeds as far as I'm concerned! "OK" to grow - "OK" to smoke too....BUT once I had tried DP Sk#1 and C99, the difference was quite staggering.
The flavour on the skunk has to be smoked to be believed..."fabtastulicious".... and the same with the C99 - fruity, tasty and a real pleasure to smoke! The "up" heady buzz is just a bonus for me - not one for bedtime, (but the Nirvana Silver Pearl definitley IS a bedtime smoke)!
I took cuttings from the original skunk and C99 cuttings, and I am now concentrating on getting these strains right, so my year is pretty much "invested" in these two strains, because I am happy with the taste/effect etc!
Of course, once I tire of these strains I will start again with some fresh strains - but not until I have a few "jars" in hand, to see me through the new grows - and with it, the new "getting-to-know-you" stage!
RD
lazlo woodbine
May 29 2004, 09:36 AM
Vlad and RD have it spot on in my experience...
I tend to try to do far too much ..about 2 months ago I counted 7 diff. strains in my grow room..... its hard work... each one requires a slightly different regime..
on the up side variety is always good..... but with the best will you can't get the best out of the plants like this
At the moment I am furiously bringing on everything I have for a 12/12 change on 1st June...due to the fact that all Indoor growing will be stopping mid Aug.
In Feb. when I re-start it will be with better foundations Bio-Bizz..etc and I will concentrate on 2 (maybe 3) strains... probably my Kali Cross,c99 ...
but like RD says... work with what you have..get in right and move on..
Laz
tha_fiend04
Jun 3 2004, 02:43 PM
| QUOTE (Joolz @ May 28 2004, 10:35 PM) |
bit of a contradiction in terms there mate
The strain it's copied from is |
l.l
i think for the money-nirvana is the best breeder
i've got bubblegum, nlxbb & white rhino all lookin good
i've heard that their ak48 is a top strain as well
that my "whole post"
for a stoner site that the majority of members seem to hold the media in a poor light...u guys sure have a knack for misquoting peeps
thats the full quote and i stick by it mate....i'm growing them...i'm pleased....and i've also grown out a few dp strains...u get more pheno's with the nirvana f2 than u would if u got the f1 from a more expensive breeder....i've got 3 different strains for 30 quid.... i couldn't get that from a more expensive breeder!!
i've heard and read a lot more positive views/reviews for nirvana seeds than i have for fdm and kula seeds(nirvana knock off?) which u just happen to sell
any1 considering nirvana seeds... read up elsewhere...where there's no shop attactched...then choose a breeder...i'm not saying they are the best. ....i'm saying for the money and variety.......u'd be jumping in at the deep end if u bought expensive seeds and had no grow experience...chances are u'd get fuck all and need new seeds to start again
as for the ethics point....if u like nirvana's ak48 u'd probably wanna try the serious version after, the same goes for the bubblegum and other strains
with all the different strains available.....who wants to just grow skunk#1 for their first grow...it's a good begginer strain and good for breeding but i wouldn't wanna just smoke that til next harvest.....imho the more strains u grow the more grief u're gonna give yourself....but u'll learn quicker...and growing bud isn't as hard as some growers would have u believe
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