My girlfriends mum was diagnosed a few weeks ago with a breast lump which turned out to be cancer, and upon removing the tumour not so long ago they've concluded that she will need a full masecomy, despite already removing a part of her breast already. Due to the cancer spreading she'll definitely require chemotherapy therapy.
She's interested in using cannabis to make the effects of chemo (appetite loss, pain, depression etc) more bearable. It may/may not be the right treatment for her but i'm planning giving her some in some food- (with her knowledge obviously! ) She isn't keen on the idea of smoking.

I'm new to growing and have only grown one small plant which is into the fourth day of drying, and I only have a little bit of trim to use. (I'll weigh the trim to verify, but I reckon its probably a tenth of an ounce or something minescule like that) It's also very weak daytime stuff with low THC levels so it's use for medical purposes is probably fairly ineffective. If I were to buy dealer weed, how much would I have to put into butter for it to be effective?

Does anyone here know much about its uses and alleviation of pain etc to cancer patients on sessions of chemo?

Thankyou to anyone who can help.

FarmerM

Sorry to hear of your girlfriends mums situation I would recommend you start on a very low dosage and work your way up from there, I'd avoid using dealer weed if you can.

I don't know too much about chemo, but know a lot of people suffer badly from it, I know of someone personally who didn't suffer so much and did not need weed, I guess it depends on the length of treatment

I can sya that cannabis is good for cancer sufferers in so much as it will help to cancel out the sickness associated with chemo, it will also help with appetite stimulation. I have helped a woman who has twice recovered from leukemia. ^Goldies advice is good, start on very low dosages and find the right amount that works for her. We found that some of the purer indicas worked best, she/we eventually found that ministry of cannabis angel dust worked best for her.

Thanks for the help goldie and alien. I won't be able to grow anything in time, because she'll be starting the chemo course soon enough. My weed is far from ideal as it's a Lowryder 2 . Dealer weed is never good, but there's someone around where I live who is a 'professional' rather than a scummy little 'dealer'. He is quite generous, has good product and doesn't mess people round as he has a young child to care for.

Thanks guys for telling me about the low dosage part- probably a good idea as it's her first time using it.
Can anyone give me any info on how much pure bud to put into cannabutter to get good effect?
FM

Sorry to hear of your situtation, my mum passed away when i was 8 from breast cancer and its really not easy to deal with... UNLESS.. you use cannabis oil.. i urge you to watch 'Run from the cure' by rick simpsons story. The story that shows many many sufferers of cancer, one particular person told they have a month to live and after using only a small amount of the hemp oil was completely clear of cancer.

I really think every person who suffers from any disease like this can benafit, by using this non toxic substance it will benafit her in the way her body needs to fight it. Smoking can help ease the effects of the disease, help with appitite and stress factors ect. But the oil will destroy the cancer, the way it basically works is by programming your cells to surpress the spreading of the disease, the cannabanoids in cannabis are very similar to active cannabanoids existing naturally in our cells, so by adding this refined oil it works to reguvinate and build up defence against it spreading.

Chemo can never work with your body because it uses gamma radition to destroy biologial organisms, that includes cancer.. as well as every other part of your body. It can cause alot more distress than neeeded in such a situation, if you use the oil chemo is completly unnessisary. Chemo in reality is just like standing next to a nuclear bomb.

Please watch the documentry, you will see what i mean. Another interesting thing to look at would be the Max Gerson therapy for cancer. I really want to spread this information to more sufferers without the acusations of pushing 'drugs' when it is just a plant at the end of it all.

This by the way is not to be confused with honey oil, the documentry will reveal all, how to make/ consume etc

If you choose to research these things and just the general use of cannabis for this type of illness i would be really interested to hear how things go for you.

Good luck to all of you

Thanks for the info j'mapplepot, I'm sorry to hear about what happened to your mother.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but I didn't think cannabinoids could cure cancer, but could just alleviate the sickness and negative side effects that accompany the horrible types of chemotherapy that the body has to try to endure. I do agree with your point about chemo- it kills the rest of the body as well as the cancer- but if it were an actual cure, it would be being used- just seems too easy? Can someone with adequete scientific knowledge explain how THC has anti-carcinogenic (if I have put that correctly).
I just want her to not be suffering as much over the next few months. May start growing a medical dominant strain like NL or Mazar? Probably for the best.
Cheers.
FM

Cannabanoids are a vital and normal part of our bodies, they basically create a newwork between all of our organs so thats how they interact. When you have all of this unnatural disturbences around you, it tells your body to work in a different way. So when you have a large intake of cannabanoids it sort of resets your cells to work in a normal way.

Look into the role of cannabanoids in the human body and you'll see they have a kew role in the way cells function and communicate. All disease mostly spawns from enviromental and and some artificial chemicals we intake into the body, they bombard the body in extreme quantaties in the present day, which is why you see the increase of such diseases. Its a proven fact that cancer has not been found in wild animals or people (hunter gatherers, eskimos and nomads) vitamin b17 is a main deficiency that causes cancer to be triggered and cannot occur with b17 as it is nitriloside which contains inactive cyanide and benzine (or something like that) and the enyzme that surrounds cancer triggers the cyanide in the b17 and thus destroying the cancer because as you may know cyanide is highly toxic to humans. B17 is contained within many seeds and grasses which have basically been taken out of our diets.

I see, so you recomend oil then JP? She's got chemo is a week or so, she'll probably want to then.

theres lots of information that you can read up on and amaze yourself with regarding cannabis and its cancer fighting and protecting properties


Cancer-fighting properties of cannabis
More than twenty major studies published between 2001 and 2006 have shown that the chemicals in cannabis known as cannabinoids have a significant effect fighting cancer cells.

We now know cannabinoids arrest many kinds of cancer growths (brain, breast, leukemic, melanoma, phaeochromocytoma, et al.) through promotion of apoptosis (programmed cell death) that is lost in tumors, and by arresting angiogenesis (increased blood vessel production).

Recent scientific advances in the study of cannabinoid receptors and endocannabinoids have produced exciting new leads in the search for anti-cancer treatments. There is growing evidence of direct anti-tumor activity of cannabinoids, specifically CB1 and CB2 agonists, in a range of cancer types including brain (gliomas), skin, pituitary, prostate and bowel.

The antitumor activity has led in laboratory animals and in-vitro human tissues to regression of tumors, reductions in vascularisation (blood supply) and metastases (secondary tumors), as well as direct inducement of death (apoptosis) among cancer cells. Indeed, the complex interactions of endogenous cannabinoids and receptors are leading to greater scientific understanding of the mechanisms by which cancers develop..

definatly look into those sources i told you about, run from the cure on google, max gerson and dr robert beck too. Personally if i ever was diagnosed with the disease i would be straight off to amsterdam, buy as much weed as possible of a good medicinal or potant strain and turn that into the cannabis oil rick simpson has manufactured. So many people on that documentry have been completly cured and use it every day, just a drop or two a day and it helps immensly.

You really think cannabis oil will cure cancer?

Yes, but by cure i just mean it puts your body back to normal. Cancer is not really an unknown uncurable disease, it just comes from the way we treat treat our world, we put things there that are not supposed to be there, if you put the wrong data into a computer it wont work. So its the same with food, air, water , everything.. if the chemicals we use didnt exist, then niether would cancer, these pollutants change our body every day.

Its simple the way cannabis helps, it resets you body and becomes resistant when it works the way it is supposed to.

i'm sure there is a technical scientific way to describe this reaction but alot of the time medical institutes with the technology to reseach cannabanoids in cannabis are restricted, again.. its because of a societys programmed opinion on the plant.

What about genetics,if one person gets cancer why don`t we all get the same if it`s just pollution?,we breath the same air to a degree.

i got terminal cancer do you think i can be cured? .................Tom

Everyones body is different, we all eat different things throughout our lives and experience different polltants where ever we come from, as well as genetic traits. So obviously the disease that people get is also varying. This doesnt mean that the problems can never be alterned and treated.

Theres lots of information about the consumption of only raw food that shown amazing results. Because foods when consumed fresh and uncooked contain living enzymes, our bodies accept them and clean our bodies from unneeded carcenogens. Read up on some information about raw food diets, the raw for 30 days diet backed by many followers shows really interesting information.
Some diabeties suffers have become completely free of illness, they no longer need to use injections. Some people on that documentry claim they only need a few hours sleep a night when using this diet, it gives them LIVING energy. Another lady speaking on the subject says shes been eating raw food for 8 years and has never had a cold or been ill in that whole time.

We are not supposed to eat dead things, it will never contain the enzymes needed for active living.

I really urge you to look at the information i have said to research, you can make your own decision about how it can help. If i was you i would be willing to try anything. The decision between hemp oil.. or radiation, its worth a try is all i'm saying.

I just want to help people by saying this, if anything.. you have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Cheers..............Tom

now where the fuck do i get this oil from............Tom soon to be in remission

you can either make it or... well i highly doubt you will be able to acquire it any other way to be honest. Watch run from the cure to see how it is made. The guy who makes the documentry gave it out to people for free in his town in canada. they tried to put a court case against him trafficing drugs even though is only trying to HELP people.. he had over 10 people to testify that the medicine works and a number of docters to back him up.. none of them were allowed to testify. Now if that doesnt make you wonder about how the government surpresses information.. then well... i dont know what will.

I wish you the best of luck with this treatment if you choose to use the information. Like i said.. i would go straight to a place where i know i can get alot of strong cannabis to produce the oil . It takes a pound or so to make a small amount of the medicine to money may be an issue, but if i was in your boots i would do anything for such an amazing medicine

J'mapple

The essential oil, how does one administer it? I know nowt about essential oils but what I do know is you don't eat them. How are they administered?

Cheers

Well in the documentry they suggest applying it to the part of the body that is effected, eg for skin cancer (which showed AMAZING healing results for this cancer sufferer). But most use a small drop of the substance on the tounge, just swallowed, maybe 2 or three drops a day can help .. its truely amazing

what about bowel cancer?!

its different to hemp oil then?........tom

Like i said.. injesting the oil will help your whole body.. all cancer is the same defficiency and altered programming of the cells. I have not personally tried this medicine, but researching it has made me see in simple terms how interpret how diseases form and spread.

Cancer is all the same, in some parts of the body it will spread faster, again, different places in everyone. The body already contains every scenario it comes into contact with, so when these outside inputs change our original basis then it will change and adapt to whatever tells it to change and some of these outcomes may be viewed as undisirable which we view as good or bad.

http://www.phoenixtears.ca/diy.html

hemp oil can mislead you as the oil is made from cannabis basically the sickening lovely buds.

I thought it was different?

I met a leading cancer expert in China back in 2001, I remember him saying that each continent has high rates of different cancers, think he said Asia was esophageal, Western world was stomach/bowel/lung, forget the rest.

So wherever the cancer is it is the same thing?

Are you for real Maple?Hemp oil CANNOT cure fukin cancer.

Woh woh.. i dont want to get into an argument. You have to read things with an open mind sometimes. If you dont want to believe it then dont, but it will make more sence the more you look into it in my opinon. Its just an opinion.. talking about this stuff can give people hope sometimes.. its not just difficult for the person with cancer either and i should know.

If someone comes up to you.. anyone.. and says i could help with your cancer.. any cancer in some sort of way.. you cannot just disgreguard it, thats a bit of a pessimistic view.. again.. in my opinion

Cannabinoids & Glioma

Of all cancers, few are as aggressive and deadly as glioma. Glioma tumors quickly invade healthy brain tissue and are typically unresponsive to surgery and standard medical treatments. One agent they do respond to is cannabis. Writing in the August 2005 issue of the Journal of Neurooncology, investigators at the California Pacific Medical Center Research Institute reported that the administration of THC on human glioblastoma multiforme cell lines decreased the proliferation of malignant cells and induced apoptosis (programmed cell death) more rapidly than did the administration of the synthetic cannabis receptor agonist, WIN-55,212-2. Researchers also noted that THC selectively targeted malignant cells while ignoring healthy ones in a more profound manner than the synthetic alternative. Patients diagnosed with glioblastoma multiforme typically die within three months without therapy.

Previous research conducted in Italy has also demonstrated the capacity of CBD to inhibit the growth of glioma cells both in vitro (e.g., a petri dish) and in animals in a dose dependent manner. As a result, a Spanish research team is currently investigating whether the intracranial administration of cannabinoids can prolong the lives of patients diagnosed with inoperable brain cancer.

Most recently, a scientific analysis in the October issue of the journal Mini-Reviews in Medicinal Chemistry noted that, in addition to THC and CBD's brain cancer-fighting ability, studies have also shown cannabinoids to halt the progression of lung carcinoma, leukemia, skin carcinoma, colectoral cancer, prostate cancer and breast cancer.

References:


Cannabinoids selectively inhibit proliferation and induce cell death of cultured human glioblastoma multiforme cells. Journal of Neurooncology. 2005


Cannabinoids and cancer. Mini-Reviews in Medicinal Chemistry. 2005


Anti-tumor effects of cannabidiol, a non-psychotropic cannabinoid, on human glioma cell lines. Journal of Pharmacology and Experimental Therapeutics. 2003

I don't think hemp oil can cure cancer. We wouldn't be having this conversation if it did.
Sorry JP

Here's one http://www.nature.com/onc/journal/v27/n3/abs/1210641a.html

I find this really hard to believe but there'll be more evidence appearing as more research is done. Rick Simpson's method is 'just' BHO that's decarboxylated and administered orally in huge doses, equivalent of around 18oz per week apparently.



or so I've read.

Nice claim.
But I would want much very hard evidence before I put my trust in that to save my bacon.
Big claims are easy made. And very hard to substantiate.


Yes, we are.


It can also do the very opposite, when it fails. Unless you wish to claim it is 100% effective?


Me, I ask for their qualifications. Medical ones. And they need to be good, too. A degree in reading websites with unsubstantiated claims, well that just won't do. Sorry.

Cannabis may be excellent meds, but let's not get carried away. The cancer research has a million miles to go yet before we get any kind of a clear picture. At the moment, its just a possible hope. To raise expectations higher than that, in the minds of folks dying of cancer, is I'm afraid no more than cruel and foolish.

when you say we are to we're supposed to eat dead things, eh we CAN eat dead things but our bodies are designed to take in living organisms to dictate to our LIVING ORGANISMS, i can say oh i CAN get cancer it doesnt mean i want to though does it?If we eat cooked food our body as an immune response to it and acts as if it is a poison to us before it is digested, whilst we have developed in nature, we didnt know how to cook for many hundereds if not even thousands of years so we clearly would have eaten living plants for along time. Basically all disease stems from bad nutrition and into todays society alot of other things you'd never even consider as harmful, You're looking for someone with a medical degree to tell you this can help you? haha they all get trained by someone who pays these doctors to endorse drugs as a cure, how can a synthetic version of something natural ever cure anything, it will only tell your body to operate in a different and always undesireable way, the problems or more problems will come back. Our bodies heal themselves but they need "help" so to speak because the more we experience and take out of our enviroments that are bad they more of a bashing our bodies take and when we surround ourselves in slow release poisons for 20 to 60 years of course there is going to be an effect, by giving the body what it needs to operate in a "desirable" and "functional" manner we must intake living enyzmes which are nutrients or vitamins. You hear the thing all the time oh celery has no calories so whats the point in eating it if you use more to digest it than it gives, well calories is a con by the food industry to try and control the ammount of SHIT you eat so you don't poison yourself with there death food, so if i eat 10 bags of crisps that my daily calorie intake HMMMM, its the nurtients from foods that benefit us.

you can argue all day about oh this won't work this doesnt work, neither does chemo therapy, there are prooven cases of these sort of things working everywhere, why not try something else when we all know radiation will resonate with our cells and change them or DESTROYING THEM. Cancer is just as scurrvy was hundereds of years ago, nobody believed it was just a vitamin deficiency for hundreds of years until the establishment finally pulled there massive fat thumb out there arseholes. If you dont believe me then why is there no wild people getting cancer? or why is there such a massive ammount of cancer everywhere these days and people have been smoking for THOUSANDS of years so that is definatly not the cause. All i ask if you to look into the infomation, I'm just trying to give people a better chance and a different way of dealing with it because i know doctors are great, excellent at diagnosing illnesses its the getting rid of it part.

You can look at all of this infomation yourself it is very easy to find with varied and multiple sources, But please never say it is not true because you just help to mask the truth like saying the opposite of light is darkness, but infact the lack of light is darkness.

also id like to add to that thing somebody said about it being the equivilent of quite a large ammount, that is because its very pure and if you were to smoke the ammount of thc contained with in the oil it would equal to something quite large as the bud loses potency as its burned. I'm not saying cannabis will work for every single person it does DEFINATLY help from what ive seen and read and the way i understand our bodies, but there are also LOADS of methods to prevent and stop this occuring its just a program carrying out its job, but the main point is your lifestyle must be changed if you don't want cancer basically because everything around is that is man made is pretty much a slow release poison, look into the toxicity of plastics, paints, metals, carpets (synthetic materials) and you will see MEDICAL SCIENTIFIC DATA proving that all of these things are toxic for us, when something is killing for us slowly for years and years its quite difficult to show exactly what the cause was and its much easier to use a scape goat like smoking - i forgot that when i walk outside im instantly surrounded by THOUSANDS OF SMOKING MACHINES (cars, factorys, aeroplanes, the list goes on). You know, do you really think people earning all this money from these toxic products do you reckon they're just gonna allow it and show it constantly that they are making poison, get real.

how many more tests and positive scientific medical studies do you need to be convinced.?

Timothy Leary died of Cancer and he experimented cannabis in all shapes and forms,ingesting large quantites at the end because he could`nt smoke..he died of Cancer.

yes but if you look at what he did to actually use it, its really not the same at all - "his trademark "Leary Biscuits" (a snack cracker with cheese and a small marijuana bud, briefly microwaved), and eventually heroin and morphine." microwaving bud is really going to keep that potency, thats from wikipedia if you wanna use that as a credible source of what he did but its explaination of his methods are seemingly nothing similar to what im relaying here, you're basically just trying everything to prove this wrong? Someone says they might be able to help with cancer and you want to proove them wrong? quite a strange thing to do.

Ok,Give me PROOF it CAN cure Cancer,not just your musings.

look into the infomation i have supplied im not gonna sit here and spell it out, there are people WITH CANCER or who HAD cancer more importantly saying YEAH THIS HAS RID ME OF MY CANCER, what more proof do you want, do you want me to inject cancer into myself and then do a GROW DIARY, jesus christ.

Sorry,i didn`t realise you were a Doctor/Specialist.Belezebub.

Soma the well known breeder, claims cannabis cured his cancer.. disregard that for a moment though.

I personally do not believe ingesting hemp oil would be statistically beneficial in treating cancer. (and i dont agree with OP on a few other things)

It contains none of the typical cannabinoids which have seen benefits in studies. "THC shrinks brain tumours" etc

BUT some of the constituents have been known as beneficial/cancer preventative for decades
here are some for example:

Limonene


Beta-pinene and co


There are many other studies hidden around.

These chemicals probably cost pennies a day, they are completely worthless to massive pharmaceutical companys.
(not that youd persue buying them, they are in fruits and herbs.. fortunately hemp has a cocktail of all the main ones studied.)

But the fact these compounds are non-patentable doesnt stop them creating there own mutant offsprings:


Derivative of Myrcene (a compound said to be abundant in white widow)



Do not rely solely on the oil to cure your cancer, there are hundereds of foods, herbs, extracts and compounds which are known to inhibit and/or reverse tumor growth via seemingly different mechanisms. eg, detoxification, antioxidants, immune boosters..

The only question is, which ones are actually worthwhile persuing?

One thing ive been particularly interested in over the years is Selenium(link), a mineral in which a deficiency is shown to increase agressiveness of cancer, supplementation is also used to counteract some of the negative side effects of chemotherapy..

I really could go on all day, but its down to you to either do the research yourself, or seek out an expert on treating cancer naturally.
Hope that provides some insight, theres nothing worse than BS promises of a cure which have no back up

yeah very well put, what you eat is a massive factor in all of this, i dont want people to think its a miracle cure, its just normal if you put the right things in you get the right things out, like a petrol car if you use diesel it may work for a while but it will just break down in the end.

The petrol/diesel metaphor is poor. Even if one eats perfect food (not possible), death is inevitable, just as it is if you mix fuels up in a car.
You may not mean to sound like you suggest cannabis is a perfect cure, but trust me, that is exactly what it sounds like from here.
I don't care how well you eat (and me and he missis are die hard tree hugging organic munching home cooked only, type of peeps) - you have no promise of perfect health thereby, nor any get-out-of-the-grave-card.
We are what we eat. Absolutely. But we are also mortal, fragile and prone to disease. No diet on earth can undo that fact. Nor any one plant cure all its consequences.

Agreed, Arnold Layne.
It's a tough world, we can try to do what is good for our bodies, but no matter what we do- there is never a way to 100% ensure that we don't develop cancer. Thanks Lord Saines and j'mapplepot (some points you have made are valid- hemp oil doesn't CURE cancer, and chemo therapy does work, no matter how unnatural and damaging it is) for the information and sources.

J'mapplepot- Are you arguing that there is a better way to ingest cannabis for this kind of illness?-(I was just wondering as you said oil specifically) Surely it doesn't really matter as long as it has the effect?

Is the effect of cannabinoids reducing the size of tumours only tiny and not significant in the great scheme of things, or does it have a significant effect? Is this dose dependant?

I was never originally thinking about cannabinoids actually helping towards curing her, just making her life a bit easier during chemo.
How much bud do I put into cannabutter to get a good dose/effect?
Thanks- FM.

Hi, Rick Simpson who's championing this method calls it hemp oil probably so it sounds less druggy but it's a full plant solvent extraction and is definitely full of all the cannabinoids. It is dose dependant, massive doses are used.

I see. But as a first time user (considering oral usage is approx 3x more psychoactive), she might panic. Maybe i'd make the goods, test them myself for dose advice then tell her what to use accordingly?

And yeah- hemp oil... Sativex basically?

the oil is ingested alone as just the oil, not mixed with fats or anything - there is a cure for everything, if two or more outcomes can happen then it is possible to reverse the effects because your body is just like a computer and will operate to what it is told and there is something out there that is telling our bodies to create cancer. Now please just look into the things ive said watch the documentary with rick simposon its easy to find google video it and max gerson. Everyones bodies are different and we are so used to having a simple set of instructions that EVERYONE follows, uniforms, laws we are very used to this thought and way that we think well if someone has this then surely it will help me but that is not the exact case, you must find what works for you and basically most this stuff can easily be avoided through disease, but we live in an enviroment which is full of poison and you can hardly even tell the sources of this poison, even the emittions from digital signals have massive effects on biological organisms than the analoug ones did, they may have had more amplitude in the signal but it is the actual frequency that resonates with our bodies and has damaging effetcs. basically what you have said that we arent perfect and we will be stricken from disease is true if you want to ignore the fact that it is very hard for you escape and leave the place you are in but the real truth is all of these things are just messages telling you that you should stop what you are doing and change it, we can get rid of any disease although YES some diseases if they get so far along they are no longer able to be altered due to the change with the original source that allows change to occur.

Don't mistake sativex for what this really is, sativex is a synthetic version of some of the chemical combonations found in cannabis in natural form, this is because you cannot patent something natural so they need to take that natural product and take parts out then make a patent so they can make money from it and in a few years or less they will bring out a "better version" of sativex with a different name to get more money and they'll say sativex isnt as good as this NEW product even though its just came from something natural and much greater than we can "copy". Also with the doses from what ive seen you build up the doses gradually and i dont think just having the oil on its own has the psychoactive effect.

No it's not it's also a full plant solvent extraction and is as natural as Rick Simpson's just a lot higher quality and much much more expensive since Rick's is free . Of course you can patent natural things.

Well if you look at it as a treatment like any other the psychoactivity has to be seen as an unavoidable side effect, thing is that's the only side effect. check out http://www.geocities.com/runfromthecure/ to watch the video. I'm not personally advising that anyone do this or saying that it definitely works btw but if it was me and I could I'm sure I would give it a try.

Utterly wrong, 100% incorrect. Sativex is a plant extract, not synthetic at all.
Please stop posting stuff that is innacurate like this is. You are dealing with folks who have terminal disease, and the last thing they need is incorrect science. Plus, if you are wrong here, why should anyone trust a word you say on the subject?
A shame, because you have much to say of importance.

E2A: I am no advocate or publicist for Sativex. Far from!! I often get (with some justification it must be said) flack from those using it for my usually negative statements concerning Sativex. But I cannot stand by and allow a wildly incorrect statement like yours go by without comment

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