i appologise entirely about my sativex comments but im finding it difficult to find any detailed infomation about it, its basically just what wikipedia says everywhere, grown in uk, shipped to canada then shipped back to england if anyone here wants it, but i bet they do make a "BETTER" version as when it becomes popular and they can't get the licencing. Although you cannot patent something that occurs in nature, they cannot patent THC, they may patent there extraction techniques and im not sure on the patenting of there plant breeds im sure they can claim the seed as there but there are many areas involved with that - i will look more into this though and also if people don't trust what i say thats ok im only telling people to go and look at the infomation they can choose to or not but i wouldnt let BBC give you the "facts", its very easy to disregard what i say because memory thought takes over thought.

As i looked through the GW pharma website it has this,



our bodies like i said prior, are controlled by a cannabonoid interaction system, it talks to itself like all cells in the body do as your dna does, as you may or may not know dna is not just the holder of genes that is about 2% of the function of dna but BASICALLY why im showing this is because when you set the imbalances right in your body and tell the cells to operate in there "normal" or "desired" way then you will go back to what you consider as good. The reason i mentioned dna is because there is a correlation between these systems and dna can be altered to stop being able to use certain triggers to create responses or immune responses. I shall come back with more infomation of this. Also remember this quote above is the scientists claim to know of many chemicals in cannabis that they apparently dont understand the meanings of yet, i dont really believe the credibility of this as they may know exactly how this works but maybe harmful to ALOT OF OTHER SCIENTIFIC infomation about our bodies but ya kna what can you do except do things for yourself and stop relying SOLEY on others because if it all fails you dont blame yourself.

Cheers for all the info guys- very enlightening.
After a scan today- she's been told that she'll require radio and chemo therapy. I'm not an expert on the differences of both treatments are and their effects, but does this have any effect on using weed for medication?

im of extreme certainty that cannabis will have no effect with the medicine involved however doctors may suggest that smoking if that is the method of use she will be using may have certain effects, but you did say she wasnt keen on smoking in your first post so ...err yeahh she should be fine, although hopefully cannabis will not be used as a scape goat if she doesnt feel too well because ive seen SO many people use cannabis as an excuse to why there not feeling good mentally or physically due to people accepting that it apparently creates paranoia, heres the thing if you make something taboo and a no no and people do it GUESS WHAT, people start realising there not supposed to do things hence enhancing the idea that they have to be careful just because you don't need that sort of thing happening when your already not in the best frame of mind. ERRRR sorry about this rant if she is going to take the treatment though she should be fine using cannabis to alleviate effects of the therapy.

Yeah I agree- uncertainty/fear = paranoia. I'm putting it into food which partially takes away the 'pot smoker' image away (which I think she doesn't like- I don't personally understand this view.. but ahh well.)

Just to get things clear in my head - what qualifications do you have that enables you to give medical advice with such certainty?

Sorry to hear that Tom, do you mind saying what type, anyway have a look at www.sethgroup.org and deffo look at run from the cure ....... I believe it can ...... my dads got brain cancer Glioblastomamultiforme and he is fine he is eating 1 cake made from oil every day and has finished treatment with no effects to his health at all ....btw he was given 3mths (7 mths ago)

when you have to be qualified to understand that a plant that pretty much does nothing negative to help releave the poison that people are being "treated" with is going to cause any/more damage than what is being dispensed then you are relying on nothing.

the logical answer is

plant making radiation worse? nah

so you go to a medical establishment read books that anyone else can read and the only thing you can't have is the experience with sick people, yes doctors are excellent at diagnosis when it comes to there helping methods, putting synthetic poisons and radiating people is clearly not going to work thats just common sense if you think that it makes sense then ok i need a qualifaction because i simply don't understand that putting chemical programs into you will change your body from what it normally is and will never operate the same if you continue to dilute yourself with it.

It's frightening that you think that way j'mapplepot. Terrifying that this is your justification for posting innacurate information about cancer and cannabis. I nearly challeneged you on the Sativex thing the other day but because i am not qualified and know next to nothing about it and didnt want to perhaps supply MORE wrong info to people that REALLY do not need it, i didnt.

Urm, yes. Not sure what all that's about. A simple "none at all" would have sufficed.

utter codswallop,my Grandad had cancer and had to have chemo,wasn`t very nice but it cured him and gave him another 15 yrs.

this may seem a little off topic but it may reveal a little insight to the medical INDUSTRY you didnt know about and which is why what i say seems so outrageous, http://www.livevideo.com/video/52AE5E9B39F...-benefits-.aspx
http://www.livevideo.com/video/1525CDBA839...-benefits-.aspx
this is 14 parts

if i offend people which by the way it looks it seems i have, but im just trying to spread infomation the things i have learned, obviously there is no where near as much infomation about what im saying as there is to the majority view. When you are dealing with things that clearly arent helping, i dont see the problem in sharing infomation about different methods of dealing with something people treat as UNSOLVED, there is alot i could say which is not appropriate here but eventually you will realise that things are not how they appear because its easy to miss things you pay no attention to, this is the method of our brains. If you find this think the link is interesting there is a WEALTH of infomation that goes along with things like this.

yeah just a little titbit about that vaccine thing, in japan they did a test where they'd stop giving all infants under 3 i think it was immunisations, as the mortality rate in young children dieing of cotbirth or whatever and they found a 100% change in mortality rates when they stopped giving the kids vaccines.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB5-Y08qbjo

yep second that

j'mapplepot, you have some valid things to say....but you do yourself no favours.

When dealing with terminal illness, brandishing random stuff around and claiming it as fact is not useful.



For a first timer try around 1/2 oz of quality bud per 250g of butter.....up the amount next time if needed. I found that a nice amount to help with crohns nausea and relax my body enough to help with sleep, without getting me wasted. It is of course dependant on how much you eat at the time

Good luck, hope it helps

there have been numerous studies done on mice in labs with thc, cbd an other cannabinoids all of which show they have promising anti cancerous properties.
i dunno wot more proof you lot need that dont believe it, fair enough not believin the rick simpson stories, but you cant really ignore science can you.
i think the rick simpson stories are true but the thing is you need sooo much oil it equates to around 500 grams of bud a week, the last one i heard was a girl who had leukemia an chemo dint work she used canna for the chemo anyway, an rick said try his oil, she had 9 tubes of his oil in within the space of 31 days an her cancer had gone, these 9 tubes of oil worked out to be the3 equivalent of 1lb a week of weed. so you can imagine that jus cos someone smokes or uses canna an has cancer doesnt mean they will be cured, they generally need massive amounts of pure cannabinoid oil have any effect. theres a youtube vid somewhere of a phonecall with rick an jack herer i think about the girl.

heres a pdf explaining the possibilities of cannabinoids as cancer treatment

May have gone about this the wrong way as another has said, but ultimately what's happening here is just silly. It's perfectly well known amongst many scientists (look up studies for gods sake, google is thy friend) that there are definate anti-cancer properties to certain cannabinoids. And please, he/she was clearly trying to help, so you lot should chill out a bit. People have a very narrow view of medicine which absolutely BAFFLES me when you're all recommending to eachother different ways of using weed to help with all kinds of tragic illnesses. A lot of people claim cannabis helps them with this or that, which may not yet be even recognised by science. And here you all are, telling essentially a decent person to stick his/her unscientific, unproven methods etc.

High horses, get off them. Accept that well, fuck it, everything is worth a try and none of you are qualified to give advice beyond your own experiences.

No one has told anyone to "stick" anything. And no-one is denying the potential anti-cancer properties of cannabis.

A wild claim was made, we asked for proof. And I don't mean yet more video links or wikki pages. I mean real scientific proof.

Medical advice is being given: not unfair to seek credentials from the person offering it, is it?

That Cannabis may prove to be an effectual cancer drug I do not not doubt. But note the word "may".
And I prefer medical certainties to drop from the mouths of those trained and experienced in medicine, not from some stoner on a website. Do you take medical advice from a "man down the pub" who tells you so many medical certainties from the bottom of his beer-glass? Or do you go to an expert?

You know, I really think that the high horse is actually being riden by those making the claims. Seems challenging the claims made is seen as wrong. Why?

And where exactly, by the way, did anyone question anyone elses "decency"?

Oh, and where did you discover my "view of medicine" that you should feel able to describe it as "narrow"?

Hmm, methinks that's a fairly tall horse you're on yourself there, petrol?

Clearly some of us need more "proof" than others. But then, maybe when you find for yourself that the claims folks make for cannabis are at best just anecdotal and no more, you may be a tad sceptical.


No it isn't. Cannabis can a nasty surprise when you're taking some drugs. Like all drugs, it effects things like blood pressure, alertness etc etc. So it is not worth mixing it in at random just because it is considered "safe".
And there, I speak from experience.
You folks suggesting people take Cannabis to cure their cancer etc: Have you ascertained whether the patient is also on any other drugs that may conflict with cannabis? Are they on drugs that moderate bp, for example? Where, then, the warnings about sudden falls in bp, which may cause dizziness, vomiting, fainting, unconsciousness and worse?
Nowhere!
Yet if any drug co was to tout a new drug the way you folks tout Cannabis, you'd string them up, and rightly so.


My point in a nutshell. Thankyou.

i have considered the possibility of conflict between the different chemicals but i really believe you shouldnt be taking things that have such a dramatic EFFECT, its pretty silly on the side of drugs when it says this is a side effect... no if it happens then its obviously the effect, like saying yeah im gonna give you 50 quid worth of phone calls for a tenner ...well its a fucking tenner isnt it mate not 50 quids worth. You ask for scientific data, there is plenty included in the infomation i have given you or do you want me to send a scientist to your house?

I do understand where to are coming from though, of course its easy to say yeah this helps you when you have no physical attatchment to the person, its easy to make claims of course, its easy to say this isnt true, all of this is easy but when i say some of things i do if you dont agree thats alright but atleast look into some of the things ive offered and it will give you a much clearer understanding of why im saying the things i am because it is a much more conventional and tried and tested method than what we have, well atleast thousands of years especially all of the infomation about the importance of food, when i see people with cancer saying this is how they rid themselves of cancer ...then to me that is quite strong proof - nobody is gonna sit there with cancer or who had it and just lie about it. you want some heavy SCIENTIFIC DATA if you looked into max gerson you'll find this

Max Gerson - A Cancer Therapy: Results of 50 Cases, this is alook at 50 cancer cases in which he has treated the people with his method

if you say nobody can try and give advice and what they know and you only trust medical "professionals" for this infomation you're going to find yourself in a shit storm mate oh yeah i will put mercury into your fillings at the dentist thats FINE but if there is any left over in the room its treated as TOXIC WASTE. MMmm yeah i recommend intaking flouride, the one and only ingredient in some rat poisons comes from the manufacturing of aluminium as a by product and is ILLEGAL TO DUMP, yeah lets just whack it in the water and toothpaste. MMMMM ill have a vaccine oh yeah along with the mercury in it and the potential of many other viruses you're not being inoculated with. Now im not trying to scare anyone here but for the most part these people are just like anyone else and listen to someone elses point of view most of the time and dont really think for themselves and so some of the methods of "helping" people ....are far from it.

http://www.whale.to/a/mcbean2.html this could also be of interest with today current goings on.

What on earth is all that about?
I do not need you to send a scientist, thankyou. You have given me nothing. I cannot watch your linked to vid things, as my internet connection is far from able to let me do that (I do not have Broadband, it does not exist out here). In any case, all they seem to offer is yet more anecdotal evidence, albeit wrapped in scientific garb.


What?
You really don't know me at all, and are making comments so wide of true that they are absurd. Just one example: I dont believe in vaccinations. I don't accept the yearly offer of a flu jab from my doctor; we refused to have our children immunised when they were young. I spend vast amounts of time exploring alternatives, and have spent a small fortune on them trying to find a "cure" for the spinal disease I have. My mind is always open. But it has very good crap-filters and so far much of what you say is getting caught up in them. Right alongside all those crappy little bits of very bad advice like "Cannabis is a brilliant pain killer and you can throw your morphine away".

I've been using cannabis as medicine, and helping others to try it and use it as medicine, for over fifteen years non stop. I've been advocating its use in medicine for damned near forty (40) years. So pray do tell me, what "shit storm" should I look out for? Will it be bigger than the pain storms I experience? I hope so, it may distarct my attention ....

what is your disease if you don't mind me asking? and where is out here?

Degenerative Spinal Stenosis (had major neuro surgeries done, Cervical and Lumbar, Foraminotomies - three levels top and bottom; also had a whole plate of lumbar spine surface removed to allow freedom to the nerves but the hole is now filling with arthritic detritus), Total degeneration of discs throughout the cervical and lumbar regions, Coronary Artery Disease, Arthritis - very advanced in some places, had total knee replacement and the other knee is ready for the same, as are both hips and my left shoulder. I also have perforating retinas, just to add to the mix.
And NO. Cannabis is no use at all for me either as analgesic or as anti-inflammatory; its only two benefits being that it is a mind lifter and for that I prefer Sat Doms, plus it potentiates the prescription analgesics I take (Morphine), allowing me to use less than I would otherwise.

Out here, is out here in the middle of nowhere. No Broadband, no nothing. Not even a street light. Not even a street. Nearest village is about 5 miles away. Out here, no-one can hear you scream 'Tis a local farm, for local people ..... and keep your eyes of those sheep, they're mine, the preciouses, all mine .....

so your spinal injuries were caused by a lack of blood to your spine and/or other parts of body it has spread? or was it the nerves hmmm to me it seems like the lack of blood has caused devistation, this is somekind of compression effect but ill have alook into it. Although i don't know the circumstances obviously removing parts of your body will create a massive change to you, this can be good and bad but generally removing your body will stop it functioning properly but you might not of been able to function at all with the way it seemed to be, the machine will never work as good though and could be VERY HARD to ever make it be normal, but where theres a will theres a way.

The place you live sounds lovely alot better than man made prison world

Please don't. I'm not in the slightest bit interested in your opinion - you are not a doctor, and even a GP would not venture comment on my diagnosis. Leave it to the professionals, huh?

No, it wont ever be "normal", this machine. But you wont see me stop fighting! I refuse wheelchairs, I rarely even use a walking stick. I hate crutchess, they are a sign of defeat in my mind. I lift and walk and do all that I can, just taking the pain in stride. Look at me, you won't see any signs. But you wont hear me say much either. Silence is the offspring of mind-diversion.

how rude, he was only trying 2 help

But if his 'help' were to do more harm than good would you still be defending him? I think Arnie has a right to react that way when someone with no medical qualifications or experience seriously tries to diagnose problems he knows nothing about over the internet. I'd be offended too.

This thread could be about the actual science of cancer fighting cannabinoids, I've no idea what j'mapplepot is going on about. I've got a feeling that English may not be his first language but maybe he should be more careful and make sure he's using the correct words when talking about such a touchy subject as a disease like this that effects a lot of people in very negative ways.

yer i take that back, didnt read his other posts , jumped in a bit quick there

I wasn't intending to be rude; and I'm usually quite good at that if I wnt to be. Try reading it with a postive tone - it is very easy to mistake tone when reading a mere text.
But anyway, my point is exactly that: it is best to seek advice from experts, IMHO. J'mapp was trying to diagnose wthout so much as an examination or glance at medical history. No scan or X-ray, no physical examination, no nothing. Absolutely absurd. No-one should lsiten to an untrained opinion on such issues as health, that's just silly.
He is, of course, welcome to his opinions and free to state them. But that's what they are: an untrained, layman's opinions.

Hi Tom
There is some very strong evidece to suggest that hemp oil extracted from cannabis (not the seed) attacks cancer cells and shrinks tumours.

Rick Simpson in Canada has been curing cancer patients using this oil which helps many other ailments too. Watch his film on you tube 'Run From The Cure' and his recent 'Crush Cancer' seminar.

RUN FROM THE CURE - The Rick Simpson Story. Watch all 7 parts For more information on thc curing cancer, google and youtube 'thc cancer cure'

Pt 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjhT9282-Tw...re=channel_page

pt 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysdaDhM9rfA...re=channel_page

Pt 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGhpVzN0ik8...re=channel_page

Part 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9NN98CuFGA...re=channel_page

Part 5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn6XIG_oxUM...feature=channel

Part 6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4Lqug_vaqo...feature=channel

Part 7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa2iCx3ZLgQ...re=channel_page


Rick Simpson internet seminar.....CRUSH CANCER

part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PwMmSxZANE...feature=channel


part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWPUrwsw51c


part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNDkXtyrqWw


part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPZMSF95lC4...re=channel_page


part5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcqOBqXf1Ms...re=channel_page


part6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqe8RwmzBsk...re=channel_page


part7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maz7wVmjsbM...re=channel_page


part 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6TNz95kt7U...re=channel_page


part 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F8-2mBAuW4...re=channel_page


part 10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F3bbcKzkco...re=channel_page


final part
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YVBCmnfayY...re=channel_page



featured experiment

http://www.sethgroup.org/

thc_1 you joined 3 years ago an it was your first post like yesterday, howd you hold off for so long man