Iv grown a couple of pure sativas,a hawaiian strain, thai and another i cant remember, but eachtime i have smoked them i have hated the effect because it has been so racy, paranoid and restless. Is this because i have just had bad genetics or are pure sativas typically not very good, which is the reason for crossing them with Indica varieties?

Pure sativa's are very racey, yes.
The high just isn't for you, try some hybrids which are mostly sativa, much less racey ime.

e2a: I'm smoking strawberry cough atm, the sativa-dom one is mildly racy, will even stop you sleeping if smoked too late but it's not overpowering. Most hybrids which have some indica in them don't get overpoweringly racey.

I've got a grower m8 that has whiteied on the sat's I've given him several times, sends his head right up his backside. He prefers his white russians and the like, I'm happy with both but a pure indica can make me a bit para. Each to their own I suppose

i have just ordered some strawberry cough from pukka,they say they are noted for their anti angsiety,sorry bout spelling is this right,or have i just blown £105!!!!

It's not April fool's till tomorrow m8.... unless your serious

ETA: sorry just re read that and you are serious didn't mean to sound so sarcky, I'm sure they will be fine plants, it's just by all accounts Pukka subscribe to the snake oil and BS school of marketing to justify the ridiculous prices.....

how did you get the plants to finish, pure sats are often only really racey because they haven't matured properly, people try to grow sats like indi's, and then end up being disappointed with them because they don't get a good smoke out of them. take a read of this thread, have grown out a few strains with this technique now and it's bang on the money:

yup. feminised though.

The nearly pure sats in Cannabiogen's mixes are a nice compromise - they would have gone on for ever if I'd left 'em, but I gave the last plant both lamps and shortened the daylength and pulled them at 12 weeks or so ...

I have to be in the right mood to smoke 'em and always have some indica handy to end the evening - but then even indicas can aggravate my anxiety sometimes ...

Different people are wired differently. I used to dance all night on cookies made from a skunk#1 clone I used to grow which must have been about 60 to 75 percent sativa ... never whitied in my life or been paranoid - just general anxiety I have anyway which tells me to stop smoking totally for days, weeks or even months.

yeah, i think alot of the anxiety problem is age and not being quite so resistant to what life can throw at you....may i reccomend cider!!!!!......with a smoke,goes without saying

Nice link scraglor!

top link thanks

hi scraglor, the link has been taken down, any chance of copying and pasting the information anywhere? When i gre them, i only remember distinctly the hawaiian ones, as i wasnt around for the chop of the others, i cant remember exactly how long they took, but it must have been in the region of 10-11 weeks i think.

cheers for all the other replies 2

google "ultimate sativa grow guide" and it's the third link

to add, the technique isn't absolutely necessary (or at least needed to be taken to some of the suggested extremes, i.e. plain water for month) for ALL pure sats, as pure sat can span a MASSIVE range of plant characteristics, but for the really wild haze types, or really long flowering thais i've found it's a must, some of the more worked on sativas will respond to a more "normal" feeding/lighting regime, it's about finding what's right for individual plants. but if you're finding your sat just keeps throwing out new flowers, or new spindly shoots/foxtails, then these techniques will help bring them in to finish

Cheers scraglor, thats a brilliant link

Yep. Strawberry cough is well renowned to be a happy and anti depressant high. [As advertised by Michael Caine in "Children of Men".]

In my humble opinion, Sativas need to ripen well in order to get a less anxious high for most people.

Remember the less amber the more THC's, so go for about %50-70 amber, not clear, so a good amount of CBD & CBN round off the high.

This will also give you the full personality of the strain rather than just a racey high.

I've smoked a bit of unripe off a plant and just got very up, smoked the rest nice and ripe from the same plant and it was quite psychedelic as well as a good high, one of my own Thai crosses with KC36 which was Sat dominant pheno, veeeerrrry long slender leaves with red stipules, still got a mum of that one & a clone about 3 weeks into 12 of 12/12 at moment.

Point is, unripe, trich's are nearly pure THC and does make a lot of people paracat, i like unripe but it can do people in if a nervous sort, gotta watch for ripeness of your bud.

Try harvesting at end of lights on if you've got Sat's and you don't like too racy as well, because light degrades THC, is why those who like high THC suggest harvest at end of dark period or finish with 24-48hrs dark, so THC content is maximum.

Personally like racy and up!

Paxus.

Strawberry cough is a beautiful high, both pheno's i got are excellent!

I didn't pay that much though , got them as a clone from the clone fairy. I believe they were Dutch Passions?
I think you may of been ripped off mate .

hmmm

it depends on the strain and the strain's particular terpenoid profile, as well as cannabinoids

there are old school traditional sativas which will lock you to the floor: Panama Red, Colombian Red, certain SEAsian strains from Lao and Thailand etc.

there are incredibly energising and positive sativas which have very little paranoia: Malawi Gold, Kerala, some Nepalese

there are very uplifting warm indicas which have very little couchlock effect: Chitrali, some Afghan lines etc. etc.

the whole idea that sativas or indica tells you a lot about the high is pretty misleading I think -

Lucky person, you! Friends with a Clone Faerie. .

It's one i really want but i will wait and buy some reg seeds for a good seed run when i am working next.

I agree it's very complex.

I now have about a dozen random hybrids in my jars and I don't really have an edgy sativa. But my Mandala mix ...... too leafy, but I reckon it will make a shitload of dry sieved hash.

I would absolutely put it on the indica side - maybe 75/25 but it's really edgy.

Not sure why everyone has this thing on Strawberry Cough...

Grew out a whole pack of 10 and thought it was the most over-rated strain I've done... Found it to be very weak for me.. One of them smelt nice, but that was it... maybe I was just unlucky

I have only grown one supposedly pure sativa (or narrow leaf dominant indica if you will) - Celestial Temple Sativa an Ecuadorian landrace no less. There was no paranoia with these - I got two phenos - one was happy, uplifting and energetic - the other was a dense and psychedelic stone.

The thing for me was the fact the high was more in the head which enabled me to do things, if I could snap my mind back out of the high that is. TBH that was only necessary with the second pheno as when smoking the first it was more fun doing stuff than relaxing. Both had bags of personality and was like nothing else I have smoked in 20 years. I flowered mine in 11L pots and used LST to keep them failry short and bushy. The buds were long, very long. Admittedly a lot of the bud was much a more airy than your indica or ind/sat hybrid stuff but it still did job. I cut them at 11.5 weeks

The taste was fucking wonderful too. Anyhow I'm a sat(NLDci) convert or maybe I like the plants that get you high in the head without being to racy and taste good no matter what shape their leaves or buds are. There is definitely something to be said for stepping outside the commercial dutch cannabis genepool to find more interesting albeit a little trickier to grow stuff.

Err. I meant Petioles.

In bed watching a History channel vid on the Marianas trench when i realised, why i said stipules is beyond me, getting old i fink, noticing a mistake is what matters though.

Always have liked Sativa myself, over more sedative Indica, although Indica is whatcha need for deep meditations etc so i do have some, growing Himalayan gold for the first time as well, currently week one and week two of 2 plants vegging.

I've found with growing Sativas for a while now, you can get a bit more out of them by using an HPS or corrected, for red spectrum and so better tissue growth/bud, then switch out to a Halide for the last week or so to max the UVB stress for better trich' production and THC potency.

It's possible that if growing with a full HPS though, one may not get full potency out of strains which are high altitude Indica or equatorial Sativa as UVB from HPS is negligable.

If somebody grows Strawberry Cough under HPS, a blast of UVB for a week at the end may make a big difference to effect, UVB CFL/Reptile light as a supplement or swap out to MH if a dual ballast/digital.

Just a suggestion based on what i've found so far.

I do believe terpenes/terpenoids are essential oils associated with smell, yes, part of the personality, but not crucial to potency or effect. But yes, Cannabis is well bloody complex, wouldn't have her any other way!

Here's a couple of links....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terpenoid
http://cannabis-science.com/cannabis_chemistry.html

I could be wrong there but i've not seen any science attribute tepenes to effects yet.



Paxus.

thc IS a terpenoid

You're right, i will shut up.

Must not post when tired and stoned late at night, what a dumbass.

Delta have you experienced the difference in effect from harvesting at the end of lights on or end of lights off? I have not heard this before, I always harvest a couple of hours in to lights on but thats just because that's when my time is free. I couldnt actually harvest at the end of lights on thinking about it because that would be about 5am. Also I thought that when drying/curing it's best to keep buds in the dark and this is when most of the THC breaks down? So that would go against what you are saying?

The only adverse effect I've ever had from sativa was insomnia, bad insomnia. Feels like you brains are on the ceiling, running around the walls. Not nice when all you want is a relaxing kip. I definately like a nice indica or indica dominant hybrid for before bed, not found a sativa dominant strain yet that I can easily settle on.
I still love sativas though and will happily smoke them all day, I really like a nice sativa in the morning especially this time of year .