I have decided to grow 5 plants this season inside a large polytunnel, at the moment the tunnel is heated and will be until early may.

The Plants have been grown from femme seeds the first 2 are around 1 month old these are:

Pakistan Valley from World Of Seeds.

Location: indoor, outdoor; Type: indica; Flowering: ~50 days; Normal or female seeds.
Known Phenotypes: » new » none up to now (homogenous??)

Way of cropping: Mainly indoor/very good yield outdoor
Race: Pure race obtained from Pakistan Kush zone
Genotipe: 100% indica
High: Less than 1.5 m indoor/ until 2 meters outdoor
Wide: Depending on prune. Some branched without prune
Growing time: Three weeks
Harvest time: 45-55 days indoor/average October outdoor/pollitano
Resistance to mushrooms: Average/depends on the mushroom
Resistance to plague: Depends on the plague.
Irrigation tolerancy: High
Yield: 400 gr per m2 indoor/ 400 - 600 gr per plant outdoor

Medicinal value: High (for its high content in CBD), mainly for pains in medicine palliative (good synergic effect mixed with opium derivatives in neoplasic pain)

Smell: Fruitysweet
Flavour: Fruitysweet
Effects: Very narcotic

THC Level: 21.2% measured upon the rest of cannabinoids. 7.9% measured upon the rest of organic substances belonging to buds like: aminoacids, sugars, terpenoids, vegetal hormones, and cannabinoids (determined by gas chromatography coupled with mass spectrometry)

Proceeds from mointanous system of Hindu Kush (north of Pakistan). Some years after we have been selecting the best lance strains from kush, we bring to your indoor a pure lance indica.
Unmistakable by its robust and branched external look, and by its intense smell and high strength, make it an excellent indoor variety.
Sweet, narcotic end intense in in its effects by its high CBD content, make it one of the best medicinal variety around the world.

Suggestions: not to be more than 3 weeks in growing time.
Harvest time: 45-55 days indoor/ in medium of October outdoor/pollitano.
Yield: over 400 grs/m2 indoor/from 400 to 600 grs per plant outdoor/pollitano.

Here are a few pics.







The Other 3 Plants are CH9 Female Mix


A mixed of Female seeds, no long sativas mixed only indicas with 7-8 weeks of Flowering time. As ch9 Jack,green bud,aroma etc...real nice multiple hybrids phenos to be found.Great for closet & homebox garden.



All off the plants will be grown in very large pots using Westlands Plus. And general fertilizers if required.

I have started these plants early in the hope that they will become monsters but only grown 5 so that I will still have room in the 20ftx10ft tunnel.

I have set power up in the tunnel to allow for a few fans as condensation can be a problem inside tunnels. Airflow is a must!

Any tips and pointers would be greatly appreciated.

I can't wait to see how this turns out.
Good luck Mr. WW.


ATB

Sweet, I've just been planning out my under glass grow of these WOS Pakistan Valley seeds too.

My glass isn't heated, and is a glasshouse rather than a tunnel, so they don't retain the heat anynear was well as your tunnel will. My plan is to start them a cooler place indoors and port them outside as the weather permits.

I'll be setting up a deck chair and watching your diary.

Best of luck

KK

eta : also plan on throwing in some LR#2's on my shelfs to make better use of avaliable space.

Ahh finally some pics

Looks like one of the pvs has the thinner leaves (bottom pic) fingers crossed you have 2 different phenos so can let the rest of us pv growers know what the difference is.

Good luck and fingers crossed the weather warms up a soon.

I have been thinking much the same thing, Both mine are a bit different, the bottom 1 being much faster growing she was a bit bigger but she was dropped and a few large leaves snapped off. She also smells a bit too. The top 1 however is a little bushier and seems to be a much tighter plant.

BTW they have both been topped.

Will be most interesting to see how they both go - mine didnt really have a smell to it when veggin and when it started to flower only took a few days to get going unlike the strain report on here where i think it took a while for them to start budding up. Have found it to be a very tight plant even the topped cuttings are very compact and now shes budding up all the branches are very close together - glad i have good ventilation and air movement as i would be a bit concerned re mould or budrot WHEN (not if) they get nice and fat. Also the preflowers showed up very early on i think within a month or so during veg.

I have a little dilemma.

The 2 Pakistan Valleys have doubled in size since the first post but have also started flowering. I knew this might happen due to the still low light hours. They are both female and showing no signs as yet of being a he/she.

My question is will they flower right through. By my estimates they have another 40 days to flower. I dont actually want them to flower i want them to become monsters so when light levels increase will the plants reveg without turning them both into hermies?

it could be a bonus if I could get some bud off it early but i would prefer an October harvest.

As far as im aware you need to get them under 18/6 or 24 and leave them inorder for them to revert to vegging, if you dont have space/lights etc i'd take a cutting off each and use a cfl light somewhere and then plant them out when light hrs increase. And keep fingers crossed the others flower quickly and dont hermie.

so do u think they will flower all they way without reverting back to veg?

I think I will subscribe to this thread, I am very interested in this method of growing.

With them starting to flower now wouldn't you be likely to get low yields if the grow is continues, suffering much like a plant exposed to light leakage whilst flowering...
I agree with highgrower, you either need to take cuts and bail or revert to veg, you would get a meek scraggly harvest of piss poor bud if you continure with the flower under natural light. Just take some cuttings, root them and bingo, in 2/3 weeks the days will be longer and they shouldn't start to flower
best of luck

Im gonna leave them and see how they get on as I have a few other plants plus the beans were relatively cheap. I really dont mind whether they flower now and give a poor yield or whether they reveg in mid may for an October Harvest. I was just just intrigued as to what you pros think will happen.

We are in march which gets 11-12 hr a day, april gets 13 going on to 14 and may gets 15+. You are going to hit a problem towards the end of april with about what 2 weeks of flower to go (the most important i think for fattening) if u can get a plastic dustbin or something rigged up in the polly tunnel and remember to cover them up each nite and uncover them every morning for two weeks you may be able to get a nice early harvest in - i would still take a cutting of them and get them under a standard 11w cfl and plant them out at the end of april.

Also i have read some strains will flower under different time periods - i think some will happily flower in 11hr and others in 13 or 14 even, with the pv being a landrace it may be ok - i think some of the hybrids are mainly grown in growrooms where light and environment is strictly controlled - but with a landrace you would expect it to be more tolerant of variances with its environment without getting too stressed. I think the main things which would happen is it will take longer to finish and the overall yield will be less and of course the chance of it herming but as you wont have any other plants flowering at that point it wont really matter if you get a few underdeveloped seeds in the last few weeks.

You know what. I have had a really good look at them 2day and Im not entirely sure they are flowering. They are definitely growing fast as hell now and there are a few small hairs popping out but I think they could be preflowers. In the first pic the two plants had just been transplanted into the 11 litre pots so in just under 5 days they have doubled in size and roots are poking out the drainage holes already????? is growth like this entirely normal?

Since they have been put in the tunnel the weather in general has been fantastic where I am.

I had preflowers very early on i think from about week 4 or so with hairs and all so maybe yours are just loving the tunnel.

Ok so here is how things are looking now. I don't think the plant is flowering as before.



The 2 Pv's are at the back and the CH9's at the front. I have some rockydust and granules courtesy of plant magic which will be used to pot these on.

Just a quick update. The pakistan Valleys are flowering although I think pretty soon they will start to reveg.

Heres how things are looking.



2 of the CH9 Females have now been topped and 1 is being left.

Thought I should update the diary as it has been well over a month.

Things seem to be growing well. 1 of the ch9 females is 6ft including the pot so the actual plants is around 5ft.





I am starting to wonder now how big they will actually grow as it is early days in the season and the plants are getting rather large

Wooooooooooooooow looking fab you gonna have some monsters

ty 916 they seem to be going mad at the moment along with the good weather.

They are looking really good mate! Beware - dope plants can get fucking massive in polytunnels, especially in a good year.!

I grew for three years in a tunnel with a mate of mine, and we got some really very large plants (e.g requiring a small bowsaw at harvest time) so be ready..Ours were planted straight into the ground, with about two tonnes of sheep dung rotovated in and dressed with hop base dressing. Oh and we did get caught in year three.


But on the upside 75% was stolen by Her Majestys finest, so we got off very lightly.

Thanks for the comments andy. Unlucky about getting caught but its a risk we all take . Do you have any tips for growing in a tunnel?

They're going to be huge m8 - and you know how they stretch when flowering - you might have to train them

Good idea with the fan - condensation is bad in greenhouses as well - especially in early autumn

They've looked good and healthy from the start though .

Good luck.

SL

Having a look at the Pakistan Valleys today I noticed that they are in fact still flowering. They are becoming more dense and very crystalline/crystallized. (Not too sure on the correct terminology)

They also stink!

I really didn't expect this I assumed with the longer daylight hours they would simply re veg but this just isn't happening. Looking at the 2 plants I would hazard a guess that they will be ready in 3 to 4 weeks.

Can any1 please explain to me why the plants haven't stopped flowering. And can I expect them to finish?

Whoo some updates and they are huge - maybe as its a landrace it can flower with more than 12 hours of light, keep your fingers crossed they finish and you can get an early harvest in!

Long time no see HG. Hows that PV smoking?

Wow, those plants are massive and look great. Good luck with them

Very nice pure - not so good mixed the tobacco seems to kill the stone - very moreish so jar is nearly empty (a few cuttings in flower so should have some more pv to smoke in a month).

Mr Wiggles them plants are looking brilliant

Where did you get the plastic for the tunnel? Off the internet? I'm thinking of building one in the summer are they easy to build?

Thanks man and good luck, Enzo

I got the plastic from searching google and used one of the top results. I used super clear polythene which is actually not very clear and is quite stealthy. You need to be within a couple of feet of the tunnel to see inside and you cant make out any images they are just blurs. But I wish I had spent an extra 30 or so quid and got the thermal anti fog covers which drastically reduces the risk of bud rot. I am having to run 2 big fans 24/7 to keep condensation down.

They are really simple to build and cheap to make. For a 20ft by 10ft tunnel thats around 7-8ft tall you would be looking at about 110 quid for polythene and anti hot spot tape.

For materials just scrounge off local builders and water or gas companies I doubt you would have to part with any cash to make the frame up.

Heres a couple of links for detailed tutorials.

http://www.overthegardengate.net/UserPages...nnel&Page=1

http://www.self-sufficient.co.uk/Make-Your...-Polytunnel.htm

http://www.seeddirect.co.uk/Build_a_DIY_Polytunnel_s/77.htm

Dont take anything on these sites as gospel just do your own thing and create your own.

Thanks, I've seen that overthegardengate tutorial before its pretty good, the scaffolding and water pipe seems to be generic with the DIY polytunnels. I'm gonna go for the thermal sheeting definately, if you have vents on either end above the doors like in otgg tutorial would that not be enough ventilation?

Cheers, Enzo

I am leaving the doors wide open and covering the opening with netting then using the fans to draw cool air in.

Hi, you said in an earlier post that they stink. Doesn't this worry you?

yes a little

You could always fit a carbon filter

Looking good Mr. Wig's.

I asked 'cos I was thinking of doing the same. My tunnel is only 6'x12' and isn't overlooked, but I am concerned about the possible smell. I was hoping you had found a solution. I think a fan and CF would be too noisy.

when the door is left open and the fans on full blast it doesnt smell in there. You can also buy odour neutralizing products. Thats basically my plan but if the smell starts to creep out the tunnel during flowering I will have to take more drastic measures.

You can also buy odour neutralizing products.


Yeah, but do they work?

havn't a clue

Are all the plants stinking or is it just the flowering pv's?

I found the smell initially not nice but it developed more and was much nicer the further along in flowering.

It's not the aesthetics of the aroma that worries me. It's the fact that well into flowering It may waft over into neighbouring gardens. I am hoping that good ventilation will be enough.

Here is a little update. They are getting bushier. Sorry about the camera work, the cam is crap.

CH9 Female



Pakistan Valley


Valleys and 1 more CH9

You are going to have a jungle in there when 12/12 hits!

Looking forward to see how things progress.

Wow they're liking it in there aren't they!!

I think you're gonna need to extend the tunnel a bit, there's a loooong way to go yet, they'll be HUUUUGE, could you not chop them and bush them out instead of going up?

Wishing you the best of luck with them mate. Will be keeping a beady on this one

I have been topping to get them to bush out. I will be carrying this on then in about 9 weeks time they will get a good trim on top before flowering kicks in.

The pics are quite deceptive as the tunnel is 20x10ft and just under 8ft high so there is still a fair bit of room left.

I cant believe how long it is taking the Pakistan Valleys to reveg. I am hoping they will start to do something soon. How Long does it normally take to reveg?

I have just cut the main stems on all the plants back by about a foot. The rest of the lower stems have been bent to the point of snapping downwards. They are bushing out well and at the moment they now all stand just under the 6ft mark.

Not 100% sure what I did was right but there is still a good few weeks before flowering begins and they were almost 7ft tall and 4ft wide.

The Ch9 girls are beginning to develop a deep cheese like stink its almost warm in it's aroma and even slightly tangy. I honestly can't believe the staggering rate of growth on these Indicas. Lovely looking plants and after I slowed down on the feeding they are incredibly healthy.

Depending on how they progress in flowering these could be a good choice for the guerrilla growers. They certainly have a great resilience to mistreatment and seem to thrive on almost no feed at all.

As for the Pakistan Valleys they are finally starting to reveg. I have noticed new growth at the tops.

Hi mate. Wicked tunnel, I would love one of those. Wish I had the space and privacy to pull that off!!

I hope the pics are deceptive, they look tall. Sounds like you're doing the right thing topping them now. They should bush up nicely now!

They look lush mate! I'm on board, good luck with everything.


Take it easy.
Mr.Mak

After noon mr w, just read the latest soft secrets have a peek as there was some decent tunnel pics - stuff with force flowering and also forcing them to veg for longer all interesting stuff.

As per my predicament im now scurrying my mind to think of anyone who has a decent size place in the country and is happy to have a tunnel or is near a nice bit of gorilla land.

So looking forward to seeing the jungle develop - keep them pics coming please.

Heres a couple more pics I took today. I did want to take more but the batteries went dead





As they are almost 7ft tall and 6ft wide now I am running out of space to get around them. Even after a recent hard pruning they just seem to be growing exponentially.

As for the Pakistan valley they seem to be sitting there not doing much at all but I am not too bothered as the CH9 females are growing fantastically.

Luvin it

They look massive - your not going to be able to move in the tunnel soon - and when flowering starts they gonna go through the roof!