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charlesweedmore
hi guys.

i will use sphagnum substrat (nute free ) and i will add 20%perlite.

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Electrical conductivity ( E.C ):
approx. 170 - 220 µS (lab values)


is it ok ?

(i will use biobizz nutes )
Owderb
If you are using organic nutes then you need a microherd to start with or you have to add one

Your nutrients will have nothing to break them down for the plants to use it properly

Why not just buy a bag of compost....ready done for you

Owd
charlesweedmore
unfortunately i cant find compost,there is only peat mixes here sad.gif
oldtimer1
QUOTE (charlesweedmore @ Mar 1 2009, 08:20 AM) *
unfortunately i cant find compost,there is only peat mixes here sad.gif

The mix you linked to is fully fertilised with micros and macros, treated with a wetting agent and ph corrected/buffered, its just at low levels like a light mix, it is a peat compost.
charlesweedmore
QUOTE (oldtimer1 @ Mar 1 2009, 10:02 AM) *
QUOTE (charlesweedmore @ Mar 1 2009, 08:20 AM) *
unfortunately i cant find compost,there is only peat mixes here sad.gif

The mix you linked to is fully fertilised with micros and macros, treated with a wetting agent and ph corrected/buffered, its just at low levels like a light mix, it is a peat compost.

do you mean it is good lol.gif :

when should i begin feeding with biobizz nutes if i use this peat moss,do you think ?

i did searches on forums and i found that promix ,that many growers are happy with, consist of peat moss and perlite.

and i can find almost nothing about gardening where i live . sad.gif
that is why i have to make my own mix.

therefore please help me while making my soilless compost .

i will use

1) sphagnum peatmoss

2) perlite

3) dolmite lime 1 tablespoon for 3 gal pots ( i am not sure if it is true ratio ? )

4) Vermiculite ( i am not sure if i should add Vermiculite ? )


Furthermore, how much should i use each of them ?

eg;

%70 peatmoss ,%20 perlite and %10 Vermiculite will be fine ?


i am starving to learn whistling.gif

thanks my friends.
oldtimer1
I would not go for the sab 0, I would get sab2 as its fertilised for final potting on.

For it to work well with bb ferts, it needs some life support adding, viz :- rock dust, worm castings and some calsified seaweed then inoculate with the likes of rootgrow or better granules.

You don’t say where you are, so I don’t know if you can get these things, but hey should be gettable anywhere in the eu.

I would not use vermiculite at all.

For seeds and cuttings adding a little perlite, [50% for cuts 30% for seeds by volume] in their first small pot, then as they grow and are ready for their next pot go to neat sab 2 from then on.

Are you sure there are no places that sell composts and plants etc for normal gardening in your area?
charlesweedmore
sab substrat 2 is too salty .In addition, i read on many forums ,un-nutrient compost should be used with liquid nutes

if we add liquid nutes,why dont we chose un-nutritent compost ?
worm castings also mean fertilizer . i read on many forums that '' if extra nutes will be added by grower,prefertilized compost shouldnt be used ''

have you heard pro-mix HP or BX ?

it is consist of roughly 60-70% spaghnum peat moss and %20 perlite . Furthermore,it is nutrient free compost .and many growers are happy with that.

of course,i am a newbie ,not an expert.

i live in Turky mate.There is almost nothing here :S

there is only prefertilized peat mixes here

Besides,there is Compo Sana Universal potting soil,too. (and it is also prefertilized. )

However,it is extremely expensive (40 litre = 20 € !!! )
charlesweedmore
hey again,

which peatmoss is good for 11L pots ?

Puff Adder
Hi Charles, I am in a very similar state of perplexity. I have just bought 2 bags of Canadian peat moss, which I believe has added lime to make it of neutral pH. I think some very arbitrary form of nutrient addition has also taken place as there are some little round yellow balls floating around in it. I will be making a formulation tomorrow to get planting in come hell or high water. Was thinking of using the peat moss combined with river sand, some compost (for the micro-organisms) and a small amount of clay for ion exchange. May well decide to add some extra lime but not sure its really necessary. Definitely won't be adding extra nutes until I start with the biobizz grow.
charlesweedmore
QUOTE (Owderb @ Feb 28 2009, 09:00 AM) *
If you are using organic nutes then you need a microherd to start with or you have to add one

Your nutrients will have nothing to break them down for the plants to use it properly

Why not just buy a bag of compost....ready done for you

Owd

what is microherd ?
Weedio
QUOTE (charlesweedmore @ Mar 3 2009, 12:35 PM) *
QUOTE (Owderb @ Feb 28 2009, 09:00 AM) *
If you are using organic nutes then you need a microherd to start with or you have to add one

Your nutrients will have nothing to break them down for the plants to use it properly

Why not just buy a bag of compost....ready done for you

Owd

what is microherd ?


Bacteria/fungi/organisms that break down the fertilizer into something the plant can use.
181
As weedio says thumbsup.gif

I'm currently trying John Innes compost which is only 44% peat and the rest is loam and sand i think as i've been having some issues with yellowing in my last couple of grows and i can only put this down to the microherd dying off as i doesn't really matter how much grow i give they still yellow so they just seem to not be able to take up the N.

I was using plagron composts and as far as i can tell there all peat which friendly fungi dont live to well in, i got them kick started again though with a couple heavy doses of fungi, fishmix anf alg-a-mic.

i wouod think you would be able to get loam(topsoil) where you are and mix it through that peat you've got there which should i think give you a better compost.
charlesweedmore
hey again

i cant find here wormcasts nor plant magic sad.gif

i dont know what i can do. i already bought biobizz nutes and i want to use them.
but apparently i will have to use non-organic nutes such like canna terra sad.gif

however,there is humus here ,but humus has contains a lot of fertilizer and i think it may cause overfertilizing sad.gif

and that peat moss has already contain little nonorganic (chemical ) ferts that that may kill microherd even if i can add some microherd

i think i have to forget organic growing sad.gif

i bought biobizz grow,bloom,root juice and topmax. can i use root juice and topmax without microherd ?
charlesweedmore
can i use biobizz organic nutes with peatmoss ( or with coco ) ?

i was told that organic nutes,just like molasses, would not work unless there are microactivity and microherd in medium (in coco or peatmoss ) .

in addition to, i also read some good reviews from users who use successfully biobizz with peatmoss or coco without adding worms casts or something so ,that is without microherd .

again some users says organic nutes would work in peatmoss or coco but not as well as they work in soil with microherds ,while some users says organic nutes absolutely wouldnt work unless there are microactivity and microherd in medium (in coco or peatmoss ) .

i am very confused .


there is only peatmoss and coco here.
i cant find here wormcasts nor plant magic .

i dont know what i can do. i already bought biobizz nutes and i want to use them.
but apparently i will have to use non-organic nutes such like canna terra sad.gif

however,there is humus here ,but humus has contains a lot of fertilizer and i think it may cause overfertilizing

and that peat moss has already contain little nonorganic (chemical ) ferts that may kill microherd even if i can add some microherd sad.gif

i think i have to forget organic growing cry.gif

is there any idea ?
Onkeldeilig
Hi! smile.gif

You should add some to make it work. But you can order chickenshit almost anywhere, or any good garden center should supply it.

-Onkel
Bish
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charlesweedmore
i emailed that situation to biobizz and their answer is :

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It seems you are right: 100% organic is not possible unless you take our soil from XXXXXX as well, which is not that easy.



What you can do: Order a bag of Pre-Mix on-line. It is much smaller but very effective!



To make for instance 100 ltr of soil you use:



5ltr of Pre-mix

10ltr of Wormcasting

40 ltr of Peat Moss

35 ltr of Coco



If you can get some Perlite, add a good 15 ltrs as well





Mix this solution, and water it as well. Leave it for two days, so the Pre-Mix can activate.



This way you have composed a fertilized “lightmix” It wont be 100% organic that is true, but all micro elements needed will be in the Pre-mix, so you don’t have to worry about that anymore.



Grow you seeds or clones for a few weeks in rockwool or in the peatmoss, and then put them in the soilmixture you’ve made yourself. Do not grow your seeds in the soilmixture, for the Ec is much to high !



All the best and good luck!



Best regards,







BioBizz Worldwide NV
charlesweedmore
i am planning growing coco with 20% worm casts and by using biobizz nutes.

i found calmag for mg deficiency but it contains Magnesium Nitrate ,not sulphate .

is it ok ?

QUOTE
A TABLET in each:
Vitamin D

0625 μg (25 IU)
Vitamin K

20 μg
Calcium (carbonate)

500 mg
Magnesium

250 mg
Bor

1.5 mg


(im newbie and it may be a stupid question,but that product for humans,is it ok for ganja,too ? )
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