Hey,
I've finally got the opportunity to get a small grow together and as a test run I was thinking of doing some Lowryders under CFL lighting before I go out and do an outdoor run later this year. I was just wondering how much CFL's would be needed for these lowryders which I would keep on either 24/0 or 18/6. I'll buy a packet of ten seeds and since I can't judge how many will be female I'm unsure how many plants exactly I will be trying with this test grow.

Any help would be appreciated

dont use lowryders go with some of the lowryder crosses such as auto ak47 or auto kush etc as theyre much better quality and high an yeild...

any size cfl will make them grow, but the more you have the bigger tha plant can grow and yield up to a point... go for one of those 125 or 250 enviro grow lights and make sure you have enough ventilation and a small fan

good luck

Ive grown a few and must agree..... auto AK47 was awesome by comparison, but a most excellent buzz off lowryderII...even though a lower yield.

I use 2 200W Enviros in one reflector which can cope with 6 autos. Ive never managed to get them to go over 15 inches high but you will need big pots from the word go...dont try and pot them up, it stunts the growth.

Enjoy

i did my 1st grow with a 200blue CFL and a 250red CFL , both did a great jobs , not heat issues but final yield is nothing in comparason to a HPS or MH bulb.

What do you reckon the difference is in yield??? ... They quote about an oz a plant with autos.... not sure if this is dry weight or what but Ive been getting just short of that. Altho if I let some of the little runts you get go on the average would be dragged down I guess..

Because of the apparent need to start these off in large pots, and hence they're spread out right from the start, in my mind this mitigates against fluorescents.

are you sure about that ?

same here , with CFL i had nice larger plants (2 feet max) with nice buds but avg of under an oz a plant.

then i went to 600w HPS and was getting from 1-3oz a plant.

with the HPS i had to support my buds as they was getting top heavy on avg the main colom bud was the size of a sky tv remote on each plant.

ide never go back now , CFL to veg , HPS to flower

From what others have posted on here, because they're both vegging and flowering at the same time, repotting isn't recommended.

I can't see the point of ruderalis indoors - I started with skunk#1 myself ....

Space could be an issue that's why I was going for a lowryder or cross. I'll measure up properly later and let you guys know how much space I'll have.

Which spectrum blue or red would I require for Lowryder or an auto-flowering plant? Because I always thought one was for vegging and the other for flowering and with AF's doing both at the same time I'm confused

1-3 oz a plant under 600watt ? are you feeding them at all ?

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1-3 oz a plant under 600watt ? are you feeding them at all ?
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We are talkin autos here arent we...you saying you get upwards of 3oz dry from the little beggers ?????? if so then do tell how.... in the mean times Ive gotta get my hands on HPS methinks....

Sorry i don't do ruderalis i prefer real plant's myself.

And 1-3 oz off an auto flowering ruderalis well prey tell me how 3 oz is achieved off one of those.

nowt wrong with autos for us small scale growers , it seems the i hate-love autos debate will never get resolved ... they should rename them marmite


it think it has been done with hydroponics , i will try and get a link for you

Haha, woaw this is a topic that has splintered into a million directions... Warlock, I used a 250w blue for veg, and a 250w red for flower... Not sure what the chat is with lowrider, but either way a 250w, will do you ok, if height/space is an issue you should look into tying down/supercropping your plant

OK guys, I'm now germinating my first grow. I set 36 seeds to start and will thin it down to 8 plants. I have no idea about the genetics because they are all bag seeds collected over time. I do believe that 7 of the seeds are Indica or some cross, and the rest are probably Sativa. I bought 2 125W full spectrum 5000K units rated at 635W ea. I know hid's will do better, but to remain stealth I choose the enviro's. I read, with envy I might add, one of your boys growing under only enviro's and the outcome was great, if I do say so. I guess my question is this; I think I'll need about 1/4 lb per grow to keep me in medicine, so, am I being unreasonable expecting that kind of results?

Without more details it's difficult to judge why 250 watts of fluorescents would be more "stealth" than 250 watts of HPS ...

I never get less than 4 ounces from each of my 250s. All reports so far seem to suggest that you might expect 2 to 3 ounces from fluorescents.

Blab has pushed his to the limit with serious ventilation. :-

http://www.uk420.com/boards/index.php?show...p;#entry1187969

Not sure I understand your thinking about plant numbers ....

Compostverte; thanks for the reply. What I meant by stealth is this, the amount of electricity I'd use to run a 400-600W hps would stand out where pulling 250W with the enviros will only pull power equal to a couple of extra light bulbs left on. So, it won't make my electric bill double, (stealth). I've read that the ratio is 1 gram per W, which would put me somewhere around 250 grms, which is almost a pound. This being my first grow, will be more experimental, before I can shell out $100.00 for seed stock, I want to know that my system will work and I learn from the 1st grow. I can always add more, or different lights later if things warrant.

just to clear things up ......

when i got to parra and choose to stop growing i threw all plants i had into flower (including a mother that had about a dozon main coloms and stood about 2-3ft high)

i had total of about 10plants in my room , the mother took up over a quarter of my space.

she yeild'd me just under 2.9 oz (dry) and the rest was avg of 1.5 - 2 oz.

my bud where needing support before last week due to pure weight and on avg the big main coloms were about the size of a sky TV remote each.

.... so there , my reason for saying you can yield anything from 1 - 3 oz per plant. was not starting a riot or shit an i no need to lie just if you have time to veg for longer , you get more plant to flower

PS: i use a 600w HPS

GREAT NEWS!

Getting a 400w for free early next week CFL's will have to wait

250watt will pull the same as 250watt so an hid of 250watt will take the same electricity as a 250watt cfl but the hps/mh light will have much more lumes and power and so increase yield well over a cfl , also the 1gram per watt scenario is for expert growers who very rarely if ever hit the magic 1gpw amount and that is with using hps lights with excellent ventilation and neigh on perfect growing conditions and using hydro instead of soil.

Using a cfl you will no where near get closer to 1grm per watt 0.3-0.6 if you are very lucky, cfl's don't penetrate your canopy much and have to stay around 2inch from the plant tops where as an hps will be around 6-12inch off the plant and penetrate around another 12inch down or so on top of that.

Cfl's false economy, used to use 800watt of cfl and had 10-11 oz my best ever , but now 1 400watt hps will give me 10-12 oz each time with half the electricity and less heat.

it is also possible to do it in soil/compost

Indeed it is just takes an experienced grower and descent condition imo it's prob much harder in soil but it is possible.