can any1 tell me why "Nirvana" get such a slaggin off??? Ive only recently discovered how much you peeps on here hate them..Im currently on my 3rd grow and have used seeds frm this seedbank mainly becos they,re the only seed comp. that sell in my area unless i order online which is a no no atm..Good or Bad comments will be welcomed but dnt start givin me a hard time im still new to this game

A starter for 10

Take your pick

I just ordered 6 strains from them, and now have them in hand. Seeds all look good.. so far the germination looks good.. (we'll see better after today... half had sprouted yesterday) and I hear the pheno's are fairly mixed so you get the chance of possibly finding a good mother.
I dunno, I'm excited about it. I read enough good things to make me not afraid of the bad.

If interested, I ordered: Ice,Chrystal,Misty,B-52,K2 & Shiva

I've grown out Big Bud, Ice and Superskunk from Nirvana , had near 100% germination and my fair share of females. You do get different phenos in the mix, but for the money they cost well worth it.
Joe

I'd agree with Joe here.

I grew a lot of Nirvana stuff in my early growing days.....they were affordable and obtainable.
Yeah, quite a bit of variation in the phenotypes......but that's part of the trade off in the price.

In an ideal world and if I had the room, I would have kept at leat 4 or 5 of the Nirvana's I've grown out.
The bubbledelicious I had used to grow kaned seasoned pro's - probably the most narcotic stone I've experienced.

ATB

But that doesnt concern 99.9% of folk



They dont really hide the fact and usually their prices reflect this, but if you ask me they must be doing something right cos look how many folk are happy with them

I personally dont grow them, but a lot of folk have found something really nice...They arent interested where it was from or what its made from, never mind whether its an f1,2,3,4,5 or 6

Nobody can deny them success surely

Owd

Totally agree great germ rates good smokes just had trouble with 1 fem being male but people have had more problems with more expensive seeds including myself

I've had good and bad seeds form nirvana. My K2 mother has been with me for several years and is still favourite over several more expensive seed banks (you'll love the K2 reverend, it's the bollocks).

The variation is extreme tho. My bubbleicious all hermied but 1. I ditched that anyway for fear of it turning later in life.

cheers for the comments peeps..i think il stick with them, and try out a few diff strains, at least until iv got a few more grows under my belt

Whenever there's a thread about Nirvana,you can guarantee that somebody will chip in with "F2 hacks yadda yadda" but Nirvana have quite a few of their own F1 hybrids in their catalogue - off the top of my head,Aurora Indica,Ice,Chrystal, KC 33 x Master Kush,Snow White,Nirvana Special are F1.

And edit to add,I've said it before and I'll say it again.....I've smoked Nirvana bud that not only shits on so called "better genetics" from more expensive seedbanks,but does so from a great hight.

i will second that yes you will get a few phenos in every pack i happen to like this as it means i can keep the one i like best also i have grown seeds from other breeders and paid £s more and basicly got shite and poor germ rates and poor weed
and one last thing some of the peeps who knock nirvana have never even grown them out remember there are a lot of sheep around these parts who will agree with certain peeps cos they think there right

Could you recommend or pm me the seed bank your thinking of here peps1 pls

Cheers mate

Out of interest how many of those have you grown out?

I've grown maybe 15 of Nirvana's strains and i've been more than pleased with the results, their White Rhino is an absolute killer of a strain..

one of my best buddies grows it, he bought the beans on his first grow, and 4 years later half his grow is still nirvanas white rhino, the other half of his grow is cheese and others

i have to admit here that when i used nivarna i had excellent germination rates ,excellent male female ratios and some truly magnificent would be keepers
which included;

big bud,master kush ,northern lights haze,afghaan,ice and bubbleicious

i was lucky enough to have good conditions and good yields too.

toki

im currently growing 5 nirvana Northan Lights and 5 Seedsman skunk1 plus others, will put a diary up soon if interested. only just sprouted.


dan

e2a: out of 10 i planted all sprouted in 3 days, that includes the 5 im growing now

i think he was on about the seedsman range toasted (about 10 posts up from this one)

I don't know what you find so funny - yes,15 out of 55 is "quite a few" - it's practically a third of their catalogue for fucks sake,and the fact that you didn't even mention that Nirvana have their own F1s in your original post leads me to suspect that you're basing your opinion on Nirvana on what you've read,and not through personal experience...ie you're talking out of yer arse

the first seeds i got were nirvana , iv still got the ak48 mum its a cracker
yes you do get mixed phenos ,which can be a pain when your just starting to grow,
but i must admit i like growing mixed phenos ,
you never quite know what your going to get ,thats part of the fun for me

You're the one that doesn't seem to get it - Owderb has previously pointed out that Nirvana don't hide the fact that they produce F2s - I simply posted in response to your predictable comment about F2s to point out that they also produce F1s.So to spell it out for you - bottom line is that Nirvana shouldn't be dismissed as hacks that ONLY produce F2's which is what your original post was suggesting.

Anyhow,I hope that nobody gets put off trying out Nirvana seed themselves just because some armchair expert doesn't have a very high opinion of them



And you just stick to pretending that you're an experienced grower

We really do need a yawn icon.....or maybe a massive handbag?

ATB

cheap seeds for a cheap price

man both pheno's I grew of white rhino were great, the one that didnt get kept was some seriously strong weed.

although if I were going to grow a something more exotic like a Haze, Malawi or Thai they would be the last company I would use.

heard a lot of rumours about how Nirvana get their seeds, from using small personal growers all over the world to hack for them, to just buying in bulk from the likes of Flying Durchman.

Not really wanting to get involved in this

But i prefer nirvana to seedman tbh, ive grown out a fair few of each(not the strains pep mentioned though tbh) and the variation in the seedsman is just as bad, theseedsman white widow for example is disgusting, crazy variation, not a single decent plant in there, i complained about how bad they were and he sent me a new pack with no reply, i put it in the bin and ordered from elsewhere next time.

Now now ladies.

Eek! Any credibility you might have had, you've just forfeited.

i think that some folk have to buy strains that have kudos to them, and think that all other plants are rubbish.chav growers if you like.theres a few of them around.so what if a plant hasnt won something.cups dont mean shit.same as wanna be breeders bragging they have used this and that.who cares about that if it works it works.i dont

As if I gave a fuck what you think

.. or anybody else for that matter...

now now peace and love all round

Gents, this is a community, we are all entitled to our own opinions, but we need not push them on others.

Peace and happy growing guys.... whether that be a £15 pack of Nirvana or a £140 pack of Sensi seeds..... each to their own.... different strokes for different folks... Do what suits YOU and respect what others feel suits them.

Sorry to hijack this a bit but while we're talking F1's and F2's does ayone know what the difference is with Sensi Seeds, Flying Dutchmen and White Label Seeds as it appears to be the one company.

Now the question i have is the White Label range is or seems to be the budget range does this mean there all F2's?

I've read that the Double Gum seeds from them are quite varied but there only like £16 so not to suprising i guess.

That's a somewhat misleading statement to say the least. I've had some cracking landrace seeds from Nirvana. His highland Lao collected from around Luang Prabang bears many similarities to the highland Lao from RSC and the lowland Thai I got from him was a crazy equatorial Sativa which still hadn't finished flowering after nine months. Both plants pure landrace and not an F2 hack to be seen.

As for him never going to win anything who cares ? Perhaps he doesn't care about winning and doesn't buy his way to victory like some other breeders

No, all in all I think your statement would be far more accurate if you said something like

Sensei and white label are the same company, sensi setup white label in reaction to others ripping off thier strains, id imgine they are f2's

FDM is not connected afaik.

Well i've grown White Label Rhino and Ice before the Rhino was very uniform, the Ice didnt work out to good as the seeds didnt pop to well so only got 1 female but top class smoke the heaviest i've ever smoked and me being a plonker didnt take a cut but i've just bought another pack of Ice and Rhino plus a pack of Double Gum so we'll see how tey go and just how varied they'll be.

I hate it when people say, oh cheap seeds = crap bud - That's a load of bollocks... People seem to think the more you pay for seeds, the better they are

This was the bubblicious i grew before which cost £5 for 10 seeds, which turned out pretty damn good.

Still way cheaper than many competitors .



To be honest the whole Dutch seed scene is one sorry mess of interbreeding with a staggering lack of true genetic diversity. They've been back crossing each others varieties for so long now there's less genetic diversity there than between incestuous cousins. Look at how they've all rushed out their own Cheese varieties now that's the fashionable weed , instead of bothering to breed genuinely new lines like ACE or Canna Biogen. So I don't see Nirvana as being that much different from any of the others to be honest.

Nice plant Smokey.

I've kept an Aurora Indica mother for the past 6 years or so........others have come and gone during that time,but this one still remains.I got 7 females out of 10 seeds when I originally grew the AI,and all 7 were vigorous and would have made good mums but I only had room to keep the one.Here's a pic of a clone at 8 weeks (grown in a sog)

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And I agree with what others have said about the Rhino - an excellent,strong smoke and one of the tastiest I've ever grown.

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nowt wrong with nirvana seeds , done loads of them and nearly 100% germination.
lots of phenotypes , but you will find a keeper .
i personaly find they are harder to grow regarding nutes as there is a lot of difference in the amount of feeding
because there all different.
ive done £70 a pack seeds from a reputable seed bank and they also were different but know better than the cheap ones.

and as far as people saying they get bad germ rates and blame it on the seeds is 9 times out of 10 just down to the person.
ive yet to have a bad pack of seeds from anywhere.

twenty three. nice aurora indica m8.

Just grown out 10 SEEDSMAN White Widow feminised and got 2 squat almost useless femalEs with the rest all tall MALES. Complained to SEEDSMAN twice but he chose not to reply....NOT RECOMMENDED MATE.

For somebody who advertises at the bottom of this page I am pissed off.

Will be trying out NIRVANAS White WIDOW and Russian.

cheers 23



yeah ditto, lovely looking buds there mate

the aurora is one meaty gal

heard the rhino was a class smoke as well
hope to try that one day

Easy Evans mate, White Label is $en$i' $eed$ cheap sister company, not sure but they might be F2's.

I dont think Flying Dutchman has any link to them tho mate.

Didn't FDM get bought out by Sensi ?

Flying Dutchmen were last year bought out by Ben Dronkers.
Ben Dronkers owns Sensi Seeds.

The white label is a sister company of Sensi, it was set up in retalliation to other seedbanks selling cheap hacks made up from their catalogue.

Hope that clears that up for a few of you

ATB

Im not sure. If they did its news to me. You should know more than me Obi Wan Felix!!!

But if they did, i hope FDM keep their reasonable prices and excellent selection available. I love their pure, voyager and G-force.

Always wanted to try their temple haze and dame blanche too.

E2A - cheers FAI, cleared that up for me.... do u think it will be detrimental to FDM? I hope Sensi dont try to mess with their prices and lines too much.

Hi semtex,

I do think it will be detrimental to FD in the long term.

I was in Home Grown Fantaseeds early last year and it was the guy in there who was telling me about it and how it had just all been sorted.
He seemed pretty cheesed off by it tbh......reading between the the lines I suspect that HGF may have been interested in acquiring FD. Either that, or he didn't much care for Ben Dronkers.

As soon as I'd left Fantaseeds, I was straight off round to FD to buy two packs of Pure and a pack of Thai Thanic.
I wanted to get them before Sensi had any chance to 'improve' them.

At least Arjan didn't buy them

Shit man. I love FDM, such an honest product. No glam or lies. Just sound peng for a decent price. I will deffo be stocking up on my faves from them. I really do hope Sensi dont mess with their product. They have their own 2 labels to do that.

MAybe it was just a money/economic thing and they had to sell up to stay alive. There is a FDM shop in the Red light in Dam, ill pop in there next itme im there and get more info!!!

Sensi... hands off the genepool!!! and yes, thank heavens above Arsejan didnt get involved.

We seem to have 2 threads going here ! and on the other side of it, my 2p worth is that Seedsman is OK.... average and dont stock everythinng, but adequate and there are worse out there. Also, if u dont like them, u dont have to use them!


E2A - Felix, if u are Jabba the Hut, can i be Han Solo and we can do that thing with the liquid carbon freezing thing.... love that scene...Chewbacca goes all mental when he sees it popping off.... magic.

Absolutely semtex.....I've posted this a few times, but I genuinely believe that the Pure is £4£ the best value seed I have ever bought.

I think the ecconomic thing was really the deciding factor.....I get the feeling that the FD crew are all getting on in years too, time to slow down a bit etc etc.

The FD shop in the RLD is cool, I been in many times over the years. They have some great glass-ware in there too.
This shop is just over the canal from the Cannabis College, another place that is well worth a visit.

ATB

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Nirvana White Widow.

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Nirvana White Widow. Just experimenting with lighting.