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Granules is a granular innoculant made up of Mycorrhiza, bio-stimulants and over 20 strains of microorganisms. All these work to create an abundance of beneficial micro life within the soil to achieve the following:

Promoted root growth (up to 700% increase in mass)
Provides a beneficial micro-population
Improves nutrient availability and uptake
Reduces the risk of pathogens and other undesirable organisms
Promotes Nitrogen fixers
Increases disease and stress tolerance

The Mycorrhiza quickly establishes itself forming a symbiotic relationship with the roots. This in turn promotes a rapidly growing root mass increasing the uptake of more water and nutrients.

The Microorganisms, which include nitrogen fixers, populate the soil quickly and effectively to promote the re-establishment of bio-activity. A barrier is formed helping to stop fungal pathogens such as fusarium and pythium attacking your crop.

The bio-stimulants both balance and promote the biological activity within the soil, stimulating soil micro-population as well as stimulating root development.

Directions for use: Sprinkle a healthy dose into and around the potting hole at every stage of potting up.

Granules can be purchased from your local retailer as well as Greens Horticulture

i 'LOVE' this site!

is this suitable for use in coco ?

I believe so planti,..they grow with your root system.!!...wait for more info...

would it be ok for dwc?
mr randleizer said it should be cool for all growing?

Ok...... Someone has to ..........



Do I get a Freebie for being cheeky enough to ask?

Yeah, do want Nigfis and me to officially UK420 style test it for you

Can't wait to try some of this stuff myself , any idea when greens will have it available ?.

As of right now I believe
Plant Magic Plus at Greens

Hurrah order going in now .

Lush roots here I come!

just ordered boost, granules, and essense im 3 weeks into flower will it be worth putting into this grow or is it only benefical from the start?

Id go fornext grow as the granuals need to be put in the bottom of the pot on pot up..

dunno about the boost.essence is a spray on treatment,againnot sure how far into flower is good to use it but i never spray past like second to third week in flower.

Can anyone one tell me if this product is better or worse than rootgrow, thanks
Joe
ETA and does it offer any protection from lsf thanks

better

edited to add, yer the majority use this in conjunction with the other bits to prevent lsf,
the full kit including pump an air stone are available from greens

On my wanted list is Essence and an air pump/stone ... and the Essence starter kit with pump/stone is cheaper than the pump/stone kit I was thinking of buying. Cool!

Good luck to Webby/PlantMagic! From what I've read you've got a winner set of products here.

Can i just ask what advantages this has over Rootgrow?

E2a:- Well done mate on getting these products up for sale, good luck but i doubt you'll need it i'm sure there going to be a big hit

Asked the same question myself, Rootgrow has always done me proud, as my sig says if it isnt broke dont mend it, but saying that if its a far superior product I could be tempted.
Joe

Heya um it says it first line , Mycorrhiza being basically the root grow .

Do the granules (the Mycorrhiza), work in all types of soil? Loam, peat etc?

I seem to remember OT1 saying you could only cultivate a microherd in some types of soil.

Ye they dont live long in peat i dont think.

ive been using this stuff for over a month now from local gc, and i rekon its preetty good im sure to keep usinhg it in the future, a definite up on health.

Yeah, OT1 told me that the more loam you have in your soil the longer they live. The reverse is true for peat.

just wondering if all the benefical bact. and fungi will get killed using multip. compost (salt fert in it...)???

anyone know?

DD

DoctorD high levels of salt will kill the good micro flora in soil... but if you start feeding with molasses (or a good carbohydrate source) and go organic you could introduce good life...

sorry if this has been answered but whats the difference between granules and the essence? granules = better application for soil?

i'm not feeding salt ferts, but the multip. compost has already some with it.. witch will be used up in about 2 weeks from potting up, so i lead to believe..

but since it is in there for that long, will that counteract the granules effect?


essence has different ingredience..
granules has soil living organisms..

correct me if i'm wrong please..

Thanks

DD

Fantastic root growth. Top product. Cheers PM

you could flush maybe? if thats necessary? maybe add some rock dust to the compost first so the goodies will have some food.

I use bio-bizz allmix with a bit of rockdust and calcified seaweed mixed in, would the granules be beneficial to my soil mix?

After looking at the plant magic items, all 6 of them, does anyone use them all in their watering schedule ?
This hobby seems to be getting like my other hobby, photography.... always something bloomin new to have a go with.

Hi all, Just been reading about PM's products but as im planning on guerilla-ing it this year im think of using it when starting the plants off but is it worth me mixing it with the soil at the sites or would it be better to dig a hole and sprinkle the granules inside before putting the plant there?

Looks like top stuff mate! Keep it up and all the best for setting up a business in these turbulant times! Well, at least you'll always have a market for your products regardless of legislation/doom and gloom!!

Been using some of these products for several years I first reported on them in 07 here! Ok back then it was going to be called rootmagic and now its named granules.

I’ve told plant magic I’ll answer the odd question if I know the answer I’ll chip in to help out a bit until he gets more time.

hedgejumper, I think the granules work best if they come into direct contact with live roots, so a quick dust of granules on to the root ball when you plant out, or a dust in the planting hole so the granules come into direct contact with the roots when planting, will get your plants off to a good start and inoculate the new roots as they grow into the surrounding soil.

The Villain, inoculating with the granules, is the place to start. Try it and see how it goes.

semtex the granules work well with allmix, the premix and worm compost in it make a good environment for the micro heard to thrive, adding pock dust and calcified seaweed just help more in supporting the micro heard.

As a general comment while mycorrhizals work in symbiosis with roots, they need a soil/compost that they can help the plant with, so they are not much good with pure peat compost that only have chemical salt fertilisers as nutrients. Pure peat composts are like a desert, pretty much a dead medium, the fungi an bacteria spores in the granules have nothing to work with. Adding worm compost, rock dust and manure products start to bring it alive, as do humates and fulvates.

I am using rootgrow at the moment oldtimer along with worm casts and neem powder and following your biobizz schedule.
I was just wondering if anyone used all of them together.
Cheers

Thank you OT, I know the best way is trial and error, but someone who has used the product before's views and experiences can prove invaluable.

The Villain, I have used all of the plant magic products except catalyst, I have some, just not tested it yet.

I’m not sure what you mean by using them all together. If you mean at the same time, I think its something I would not do, I’m into minimal intervention, pushing my plants as little as possible.

I have used Granules for several years, from rooted cuttings onwards, ie a small dust on the rootball at every time I pot on, I’m in no doubt inoculating the roots with ecto and endo Mycorrhiza plus a host of good soil bacteria greatly improves plant health, root mass, nutrient availability and uptake in a good way.

In the growroom I only tend to use essence as a foliar, and then only if I see the very first sign of leafspot fungus. You need to be very observant, seeing it at almost the sub clinical stages. I also use essence about once a month to give my mums a treat. For this its a combination of seaweed extract, boost, molasses and yucca extract, used as both a drench and foliar at the same time.

I use very low levels of bio wetter = yucca extract in every water or feed, this is the only product I use all the time.

I am currently testing the bio silicon, I was so impressed with how the half of the plants treated responded, that I decided to treat all of the room the next time, so half have had one treatment and the other half two doses, the one treatment plants have not caught up or are quite as sturdy but I can see they responded, I’m impressed with this product, I’ve been using it as a drench at less than half recommended strength ie about 1 ml per 2.5 litres of water.

Do I need any of these products? I would say no, because I have grown very successfully for several tens of years. They are more like having more tools to work with making my life easier, so for me its more a matter of fine tuning my growing.

So if any of you get a fungal leaf infection, something everyone will come up against sooner or later if you keep growing, essence has always stopped leaf fungus in its tracks for me. Its a tool I think everyone should have in their armory just in case, or to use as a preventative.

Thanks for the info Oltimer, much appreciated.

ps. Heres one of your babies
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I wonder, could these granules be dissolved in water and then used as a foliar, like Essence? They are both described as having over 20 microorganisms, so they sound similar. Do the granules contain trichoderma? Thanks.

Hi,

The Granules contain a unique blend including the Essence. So, it would be alot more cost effective to just grab a small pot of essence rather than bubbling up the granules.

Yes, the granules and the essence both contain Trichoderma.

Thanks PM, does the trichoderma not die when brewed? Or is it just myco spores that need to find roots as soon as they are hydrated? Is the main difference between the granules and Essence that the granules contain myco and the Essence doesn't? I presume that the granules are cheaper than the Essence powder per gram because the granules contain alot of food and nutrients where as the Essence powder doesn't? Thanks.

gunna

Essence is primarily made for folia use but can also be used as a drench, mycorrhizal spores are not needed nor could they come to life in an aerial medium, where as the other bacteria and trichodermas in essence can and do populate the stems and leaves.

No the trichodermas are not killed by the brewing process but activated, once activated by the brewing process, the trichoderma envelope or skin is very delicate, great care is needed when spraying as its very easy to shred them as they go through the spray nozzle, thats why it is recommended that low pressure and a course setting that forms droplets rather than a fine setting that makes a mist is used.

The ecto and endo mycorrhiza spores in the granules can remain viable for up to 12 months once in a soil environment, ie until live roots come into contact with the granules, most inoculants are not like this. Yes the granule contains a supply of everything needed to activate and support the micro life spores it contains until they are established.

Thanks OT1, that's cleared everything up for me quite nicely.

I have a few questions for PM&OT based on this:

I am currently using a 50% coco 40% compost 10% perlite mix, feeding only with fish mix and the occasional seaweed and root stim and am loving it. The growth is explosive compared to the soil only, then soil/perlite mix I was using before. the main difference I notice is when watering, not only does the coco suck up the water like a sponge, even when bone dry, but the plants do not wilt at all even when thoroughly drenched. I like the coco so much, I'm thinking of ditching the compost altogether. But for a few things....

First off, I like the idea of organic growing. The biobizz fish mix I'm using is doing fine, plus I am just about getting to grips with the whole feeding regime. I can now confidntly treat my plants when I see a deficiency wihout overdoing it. I can now adjust feeds for each individual plant and get it pretty much right, I'm quite pleased in that respect, the last thing I want to be doing now is starting with ec pens and such when I'm only just getting to grips with this method. Plus, I want to use some of the Plant Magic products and am wondering aboout their viability/effectiveness for use in coco.

My question is based on the whole micro-herd subject. Now, I know you've previously stated that coco can be used, so long as a sufficient breeding grounds for the micro herd are established within it, by mixing worm castings into it etc. But how does this tie in with me wanting to re use my coco instead of throwing it away?

What are your thoughts on me reusing my coco if it contains worm castings or loam? Would I be able to do this?

My second question is about the population of the medium itself and the ability of the bacteria to survive and thrive when using only coco fibre:

Adding the loam/worm shit to the coco provides the bacteria with a breeding ground, but, if they have already begun to multiply as a result of the brewing, does that not mean that at least some of what they need is present in the molasses and seaweed, and if so, why is it that merely watering the brewed bacteria into the coco, then continuing to supply them with the same nutrients, would not have the same effect?

Would regular feedings of the right sort, or a tea made with the castings, not keep their levels up to a sufficient number?

By the way, many thanks to the people here who've helped me so far.

The micro heard mostly feed and live off minerals, rock particles, humus and dead plant remains and the like, they are the things that break down release and recycle minerals and organic matter. They are what help make soil fertile. They don’t like high free nutrient levels. Most will not do well in just coir! Adding loam/worm shit to the coco provides the bacteria/fungi with what they live off long term.

PM, how much of the granules should be used if using it instead of Essence, as a foliar? I presume that the granules are less concentrated than Essence powder but by how much? Would it need to be brewed before application or could it be dissolved in water and molasses and then sprayed within the hour? Thanks.

gunna

Thanks. Forgot to add that I have used rock dust in my mix. Will that be enough to keep them going

Firstly granules are not soluble, I recently dug up a 6 year old strawberry bed that had been inoculated, you could still see the granule carrier, the granules are made to distribute and establish spores locally in soil, the amount of the spores tiny compared to essence, the whole make up of the two products and their delivery methods is different, the balance of types of one made to populate the aerial environment is totally soluble, the other for a soil environment.


Yes pretty much ok I would say.

Thanks OT1, so the essence powder is mostly spores and bacto, with a little food, whilst the granules are more dilute and contained within a matrix that keeps them active in the soil for long periods? The granules are starting to sound abit like kefir grains, a symbiotic colany or fungi and bacteria that protects itself in a gelatinous polymer called kefiran. Is the matrix of the grains made of something similar?

So I can mix rock dust with coir to make it more habitable for the micro heard?
Is there anything else you would recomend/better to use as I'd like to encourage the root zone benefits of these products as much as possible, while still using coir.
I assume an organic feed regime would be a benefit (I have been considering it) currently using canna nutes boost and PK at lower than bottle levels with pots of coco. All other suplements are plant magic (catalyst and bio-wetter at the mo) am interested in using the bio silicon (which OT has already said will work) and also the Granules.
So being able to make the coir more of a suitable environment for them is the aim...
Any pointers?? Thanks.

have a look at my profile, mate as I'm going to use a 30% loam, 25% worm cast, 25% coir mix with the granules etc. I'm guessing something like the 50/50 wormcast/coir compost mix that i've ordered might suit you... OG reccommended it anyhow

Sounds good, guess I could just mix in my own wormcasts to coir...

50/50??? Sounds high in the wormcasts although I'm new to organics (not growing) so what do I know.
Thanks for the reply.

By the way, your % add up to 80% that a typo, or what is the remaining 20%?? Thanks.