UK420 > whats so cheesy about cheese

toki

Jan 1 2009, 12:52 PM

happy new year to all !

been pondering this one awhile as im planning another dam trip.

my last trip to the dam was a hash quest ( which i should at least conclude,and will

) so this time im on a quest for nice budz.

so this is a bit of a combo question;

what is so good about 'the cheese'(legendary original) and the other breeders/coffeeshop versions ?

i tried it before at hunters bar in june i remember it being strong but it tasted 'orible very dry so maybe not down to plant but to cure/ lack of it..

would love to find some versions of it so i could get a better opinion

ive had blue cheese twice, once in the blue bird last easter - it was nothing special to look at/taste but it did the job, i dont remember it being cheap then either

second time from a friend who grew it , it was excellent on all counts a very nice smoke.

any suggestions on where to get a great version of (blue) cheese - photos of the budz would be amazing on such a lazy day

toki

Cory-and-Trevor

Jan 1 2009, 01:41 PM

i buy at coffeeshops in between harvests...
and though i prefer bud, i just have to conclude that hash is generally a better buy in holland.

good homegrown stays at home...big shops buy in bulk , and this very quality is deteriorating..

thats just my observations

Mister_dee

Jan 1 2009, 07:11 PM

Having an early taster of my GHS cheese tonight i'll let you know:)

rebel84

Jan 3 2009, 11:39 PM

I've tried quite a few strains over the last 12 months (found a good supply) and i find cheese is the one that gets me salivating just thinking about it! I don't think its a knockout smoke but is good to relax with! While it isnt the strongest, i definatley can say in my opinion its the tastiest and stinkiest! blue or original, its all good

I've never smoked it in the dam, it doesnt sound like theyre makin the most of it out there cos id rate the blue cheese i get way better than anything i smoked in amsterdam so it really is a good weed, just gota get a look in on a good crop!

Peace, reb

AKPOG

Jan 4 2009, 09:11 AM

Original Cheese (only from cutting, if you know the right people - I unfortunately don't) is extrememly nice & sweet, it is mouth watering & a nice deep stone if grown correctly.

Big Budda Cheese is nothing like it, maybe if you are lucky & get a good pheno it wil be nice (and you have to be lucky!). Other than that, it is absolutely poop in my honest opinion & experience. It might be nice to some, but it is over rated & does not deserve the 'Cheese' stamp of quality.

Don't let it get you down though

The original is a good strain to have, feel blessed if you have it, but if you don't have it then there are other much better strains with a deeper & more relaxing stone.

Strains I have found to be better that any cheese I've smoked (although I have only been blessed with 1/2oz a few years ago) are - Belladonna, Pot of Gold, C99 & AK47. There are many more I am sure, but I need to grow/smoke them first before I can form an opinion.

Now, I might have a different opinion if I could grow one out myself, but at the end of the day I probably will never be blessed. So until that day I won't be losing any sleep over it & nor should anyone else.

If you get lucky however & get a cutting then appreciate what you have got, thank the person you got it from very much & feel lucky you have a rare(ish) pheno that some would kill for!

Golden Green

Jan 4 2009, 10:26 AM

I've never known anything like it tbh, the strain which I grew was beyond stinky and the stone was proper strong. I don't think I'll be growing it again for some time due to its stinkyness but it was a good summer

Arnold Layne

Jan 4 2009, 11:34 AM

QUOTE (toastedsuppy @ Jan 4 2009, 11:25 AM)

if i could have only one weed it would be original cheese end of my comments (15 yr smoker)

Hmmm 15 years huh?
After 40 years smoking, I find Cheese (Uk Original cut only) a good smoke, but one that I get used to far too quickly, and thus boredom sets in.
Give me "The Blues" anyday, I just don't get bored with it and it always hits the spot nicely. If I had to choose just one strain, it would be "The Blues" always. Unless the "Killer Skunk" takes over from it in my estimation.

jiffa

Jan 4 2009, 11:37 AM

QUOTE (Arnold Layne @ Jan 4 2009, 11:34 AM)

I find Cheese (Uk Original cut only) a good smoke, but one that I get used to far too quickly, and thus boredom sets in.
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me too

scarface

Jan 4 2009, 11:56 AM

QUOTE (Arnold Layne @ Jan 4 2009, 11:34 AM)

Unless the "Killer Skunk" takes over from it in my estimation.

its just a shame its called killer skunk - the name kinda puts me off if im being honest,
not saying its not a great smoke or slagging off the genetics or breeder in anyway, because it looks and sounds awesome, i just think the name is terrible - im abit funny like that though, the name of a strain is quite often what will grab my attention but 'killer skunk' is soooo obvious, un-original and kinda tacky sounding imo, like not alot of thought went into it, which is a shame as it looks/sounds awesome

just to clarify that this is not a personal dig/attack at vrg in anyway, just my opinion on the name

toki

Jan 4 2009, 06:25 PM

thanks for the replies guys all comments most welcome.

AKPOG - ive not been lucky enough to know anyone with a cutting but i do remember smelling it at a night club and asking

the guy who had it to swap a bit o blue berry for it but he didn't want to , never mind worth a try......

definitely an unmistakeable smell though.

im sure there are other strains which are worthy of attention but i still would love to try it or a derivative of it , blue cheese for example.

which coffee shops stock/have stocked a good (blue)cheese?

answers on a postcard............

toki

KC

Jan 6 2009, 02:05 AM

I never managed to find real cheese in the Dam. I found a few places selling what they call cheese but it smoked nothing like the uk cheese. I had some cuts given to me that are called the cheese but it too tastes nothing like it.

I do sometimes wonder how many people mistakingly think they are smoking or growing cheese

Militant

Jan 6 2009, 03:11 AM

My friend has access to cuttings, there's a bit of it about my kneck of the woods, all hydro though. It's really strong and full of flavour, the stuff just stinks and there's hardly much you can do about it. I managed to get an Oz once and it stank my bedroom out for days

I must admit i couldn't smoke too much without feeling kinda 'depressed/paranoid' but a little bit is nice

I believe it derived from the Exodus free-rave parties when a guy bought a strain back from Afghanistan.

In the Dam, I managed to score some at the Greenhouse Effect but it wasn't all that. These two S.A. motorcyclists we met in Amnesia told us about it. I met Big Buddha at the Hemp Expo last year. Seemed more concerned with showing off his Chiesel. Good luck to him i s'pose

OeN

Jan 6 2009, 10:01 AM

QUOTE (jiffa @ Jan 4 2009, 11:37 AM)

QUOTE (Arnold Layne @ Jan 4 2009, 11:34 AM)

I find Cheese (Uk Original cut only) a good smoke, but one that I get used to far too quickly, and thus boredom sets in.
.

me too

Me three.....BUT.....The bluecheese i have is something else, just cant get bored of the taste and stone, it has that cheesy twang but there is that definate blue side to it and it was from BB'S first batch of hermi shite they produced. Marky was real lucky finding her and we love keeping her......

Owderb

Jan 6 2009, 10:18 AM

QUOTE (scarface @ Jan 4 2009, 11:56 AM)

QUOTE (Arnold Layne @ Jan 4 2009, 11:34 AM)

Unless the "Killer Skunk" takes over from it in my estimation.

its just a shame its called killer skunk - the name kinda puts me off if im being honest,
not saying its not a great smoke or slagging off the genetics or breeder in anyway, because it looks and sounds awesome, i just think the name is terrible - im abit funny like that though, the name of a strain is quite often what will grab my attention but 'killer skunk' is soooo obvious, un-original and kinda tacky sounding imo, like not alot of thought went into it, which is a shame as it looks/sounds awesome

just to clarify that this is not a personal dig/attack at vrg in anyway, just my opinion on the name

The name is a piss take mate out of the media...they named it, not us

I think its great to take the piss

If i had a strain i'd call it "extreme hybrid"...or "cannabis factory"

Owd

StonedBrittania

Jan 6 2009, 10:26 AM

seems like i've been smoking nothing but cheese since my bust 12months ago, the high def gets a bit boring and as i've said before it most def not the most cheerful smoke.

smoked a fair bit of the blues in my time and I agree the buzz is much nicer and more heady than the Original cheese, although doesnt quite match the original in taste stakes imho.

can't wait to try some Killer Skunk one day

QUOTE (scarface @ Jan 4 2009, 11:56 AM)

ts just a shame its called killer skunk - the name kinda puts me off if im being honest,

just call it something else

Super Cheese maybe

scarface

Jan 6 2009, 11:31 AM

QUOTE (Owderb @ Jan 6 2009, 10:18 AM)

QUOTE (scarface @ Jan 4 2009, 11:56 AM)

QUOTE (Arnold Layne @ Jan 4 2009, 11:34 AM)

Unless the "Killer Skunk" takes over from it in my estimation.

its just a shame its called killer skunk - the name kinda puts me off if im being honest,
not saying its not a great smoke or slagging off the genetics or breeder in anyway, because it looks and sounds awesome, i just think the name is terrible - im abit funny like that though, the name of a strain is quite often what will grab my attention but 'killer skunk' is soooo obvious, un-original and kinda tacky sounding imo, like not alot of thought went into it, which is a shame as it looks/sounds awesome

just to clarify that this is not a personal dig/attack at vrg in anyway, just my opinion on the name

The name is a piss take mate out of the media...they named it, not us

I think its great to take the piss

If i had a strain i'd call it "extreme hybrid"...or "cannabis factory"

Owd

i know what your saying bud, i just dont think its as flattering a name as it deserves, and if i didnt know who was behind it when on a seed site id flick right past it unfortunatly
the name just doesnt 'grab me' in anyway, tbh nor did cheese though untill i tried it i suppose, in fact i turned down a cut of it months before i got my cut because i was sure i wasnt gonna like it

but names like strawberry cough, blue moonshine, mango, etc etc etc grab my attention straight away and go straight on the 'to-do-list'

like i say though owd i wasnt trying to attack vrg in any way, just my opinion on the name, im sure as a smoke its awesome, it certainly looks it in the pictures

Owderb

Jan 6 2009, 12:19 PM

QUOTE

like i say though owd i wasnt trying to attack vrg in any way

No i know you wernt mate

I was just explaining how it got its name

Another good un especially for some on here would be "Tinfoil Hat" or "Paranoid" or even "Rock and Troll"

I can see a thread coming on

I like the cheese, especially its taste and you may think i'm biased, but the blues is superior imo

The Killer Skunk is a different smoke altogether with a strong lasting body buzz

Owd

peewee

Jan 6 2009, 01:21 PM

'Stop it N Tidy Up' would be a strain I'd buy

Savage

Jan 6 2009, 04:10 PM

how about calling a killer potent strain the 'Jacqui Smith' ?

sorry for going off topic but i couldnt resist!!

toki

Jan 11 2009, 04:56 PM

thanks for the tips westie i shall check em both out again when i go

am i right in thinking that the blue bird does pre bagged baggies so u can't smell n see b4 you buy? i seem to remember it does it may have changed...

i know barneys will let u have a look as they weigh it in front of you but both places mentioned are expensive, then again what isnt expensive in the dam these days

ive also heard that the green place do a nice blue berry cheese and blue cheese will have to check both of these out

so whats your big buddah blue cheese like, westie ? any shots n a smoke report?

toki

ps

baba coffee shop has the 'real cheese' on their menu for 25 euro/g - i wonder how real it is and if it is would i or any one else part with 25 pounds/euros for only a g

pps here is the menu.

http://www.black-arts.org/~reatta/Menus/Ba...8SoulRidert.jpg

TokaCola

Jan 12 2009, 11:22 PM

I have Original Cheese and it really does smell like cheese. Bought as fem seeds from Spam Canada and they say it was made from an original cutting from England

jiffa

Jan 12 2009, 11:30 PM

QUOTE (TokaCola @ Jan 12 2009, 11:22 PM)

I have Original Cheese and it really does smell like cheese. Bought as fem seeds from Spam Canada and they say it was made from an original cutting from England

so you aint got the original then mate

d|t

Jan 12 2009, 11:34 PM

QUOTE (Owderb @ Jan 6 2009, 12:19 PM)

QUOTE

like i say though owd i wasnt trying to attack vrg in any way

No i know you wernt mate

I was just explaining how it got its name

Another good un especially for some on here would be "Tinfoil Hat" or "Paranoid" or even "Rock and Troll"

I can see a thread coming on

I like the cheese, especially its taste and you may think i'm biased, but the blues is superior imo

The Killer Skunk is a different smoke altogether with a strong lasting body buzz

Owd

How much are those killer seeds mate?

playground

Jan 14 2009, 02:18 PM

I was in San Francisco for the holidays and picked up an ounce of pot for $200 because I flew in and didn't bring meds on the plane. Me and my mates chipped in and we bought an ounce from a friend of a friend.

Why am I telling you this?

This stuff was, without a doubt, the stinkiest weed I have ever seen - and I have grown some stinking frickin' marijuana in my day. It was sticky, pale green buds, no gigantosarus buds, but a whole quart bag of the stuff. It was good, but not the Holy Grail.

I wonder if this was "the cheese" and if so, I don't want it my grow room because I've got a cross I am growing that has harder hitting power (three hits will make you so high you will be puking your guts out).

I don't know, but I guess it could have been the vaunted cheese.... For the price people are quoting on the seeds and the issues this strain has with stench, not one that is likely to be in my garden...

I'm intensely happy for those who enjoy it. Continue the mission.

flunkyou2

Jan 14 2009, 10:01 PM

I all ways fort cheese was sativa. The Cheese i have and have had for 6 years is a Sativa and everyone whos smokes it says its cheese

Flunk

batfuds

Jan 17 2009, 02:30 PM

The Exodus/Original Cheese clone is [just] an exceptional phenotype of good old Skunk#1, from a bag of Sensi Seeds bog standard Skunk#1, nothing more. Someone on here posted the "Cheese story" a while ago.... It did not originate from Exodus, it was a guy who went to a party there, he had spread it amongst his friends, then gave it to Exodus.

There is nothing "Cheesy" about it, part of the story goes on to say how Cheese is a codename anongst those friends for the very very stinky weed.

FWIW, I agree with many other posters, it is very very stinky, tasty, but the buzz is not the end all and be all of Weed, most people ultimately prefer something else. THe clone does not produce S1's well, so it cannot be feminised to produce close-to-identical seeds, but some of the flavour does come through in crosses. The yield is not great and it truly stinks to high heaven, making it unattractive to many growers hence hard to find in the Dam.

batfuds

Jan 18 2009, 01:05 PM

QUOTE (westie @ Jan 17 2009, 10:02 PM)

I heard it got its name cos one of the lads worked in a factory that made flavours for adding to food. He used to bring home small viles of various flavours & one of them was a cheese flavour that was ment to smell like the plants so they called it cheese. I think this story came from Zoro, the guy who supplied Mike of Big Budda with the original cheese cutting he started with.

I am sure I spotted this here, sorry I do not know the OP, forgive me for pasting it, but it just has that air of truth....

QUOTE

..in about 1988 my mate mark germed a load of seeds from sensi seed bank in his border amongst them were skunk no1, n. lights ,hash plant ...and took cuttings of the girls to grow indoors ...only one cut was taken from amongst the female sk no1 since we all didnt really realise that genetically they were all 'sisters ' and as such could have different charachteristics ...cheese is this one skunk no1 cutting.

she survived around this area amongst a group of us being prized as a cracking smoke but with associated problems caused by the very strong smell in flower ...a mate christened her 'cheese' since she had such an all pervading stink that she would have to be left outside with the camambert and old trainers if she wasnt going to polute the whole house..the guy who christened her always cooks up bizzare names especially for things to do with the drug world so he can chat in ploite company or in front of the kids without worrying.

maybe the cheese would have remained a local phenomenon if i hadnt been persuaded by my missus to go to an illegal rave put on by lutons exodus collective back in 95...she hated it ,i loved it and soon realised that these folk were on a mission ...sort of changed my life really ,ordinary people doing quite extraordinary things ..one of which was just starting to grow weed at their housing co op Haz manor.
because of the high profile stand against prohibition and their stand against hard drugs the police left the manor alone (even when documentaries appeared on tv blatantly stating their anti dealing/ pro diy cannabis stance)and soon the one cutting i took to the manor became many cuttings given out free to anyone who came in search of growing knowlege and genetics ..

moshdamans2sick

Jan 18 2009, 01:15 PM

big buddah or barney's farm are a good,both companys do fem or reg versions so genetics are very stable and good

BlazedMetal

Jan 18 2009, 08:25 PM

QUOTE (playground @ Jan 14 2009, 09:18 AM)

I was in San Francisco for the holidays and picked up an ounce of pot for $200 because I flew in and didn't bring meds on the plane. Me and my mates chipped in and we bought an ounce from a friend of a friend.

Why am I telling you this?

This stuff was, without a doubt, the stinkiest weed I have ever seen - and I have grown some stinking frickin' marijuana in my day. It was sticky, pale green buds, no gigantosarus buds, but a whole quart bag of the stuff. It was good, but not the Holy Grail.

Given your location, the lime greenness of the buds, and the fact you say it stinks to high hell leads me to believe you've found "green krack". It was floatin around bc quite a bit, made it all the way out to Ontario so I could see it making to to cali too. Clone only and you gotta know the right people, more or less like the UK cheese in that sense.

Lennon

Jan 19 2009, 12:03 PM

QUOTE (moshdamans2sick @ Jan 18 2009, 01:15 PM)

big buddah or barney's farm are a good,both companys do fem or reg versions so genetics are very stable and good

Id say there anything but stable....There both a a pair hack artists.If you want Cheese get the Original Cut thats the only way you gonna be smoking Cheese, no cross so far has even come close to the original....Keep hold of your cash,dont line the pockets of Hackers for fake Cheese,its not Cheese and never will be!

Lennon

Jan 19 2009, 12:17 PM

QUOTE (TBL420uk @ Jan 19 2009, 12:11 PM)

If you want the "original" cheese & cant find the original cutting then buy skunk No1 from sensi seeds as thats all cheese is, it was a very smelly pheno type from a pack of their seeds.

The chance of that would be a fine thing,there skunk#1 now is totally different to the one from back then.

batfuds

Jan 19 2009, 12:49 PM

QUOTE (Lennon @ Jan 19 2009, 01:03 PM)

QUOTE (moshdamans2sick @ Jan 18 2009, 01:15 PM)

big buddah or barney's farm are a good,both companys do fem or reg versions so genetics are very stable and good

Id say there anything but stable....There both a a pair hack artists.If you want Cheese get the Original Cut thats the only way you gonna be smoking Cheese, no cross so far has even come close to the original....Keep hold of your cash,dont line the pockets of Hackers for fake Cheese,its not Cheese and never will be!

I agree, all the seeds and crosses just have some of the Cheese clone/s qualities, but they are never as good. BB or BF, or GHS for that matter all probably yield better and smell less, this might be good for some... but once you have seen the clone you know they are inferior in what really matters to most.

QUOTE (Lennon @ Jan 19 2009, 01:17 PM)

QUOTE (TBL420uk @ Jan 19 2009, 12:11 PM)

If you want the "original" cheese & cant find the original cutting then buy skunk No1 from sensi seeds as thats all cheese is, it was a very smelly pheno type from a pack of their seeds.

The chance of that would be a fine thing,there skunk#1 now is totally different to the one from back then.

Quite a few people seem to think that the Flying Dutchman does the closest thing to SK#1 these days, strange it has "been lost" as it was meant to be one of the truest breeding plants around. Seedbuyers are fickle and Seedmakers mainly produce what people want ..... fashions come and go, people moan about how many Feminised beans there are out there, but 9/10 punters ask for them ..... for years SK#1 seed stocks grew dusty, so nobody worked them ... now with all the interest in Cheese .....