RSC has a new Nepalese charas sativa we need testing

anyone who can submit a complete grow report of any RSC strain will get a pack of 25 Nepalese to test - the report can of any of our strains and can be good or bad (favourable or unfavourable) all we want is pics of the finished plant, buds and a smoke report

the Nepalese is a short "sativa" type plant about 1 - 2m tall with quite narrow leaves and a compact growth structure - short internodes with dense buds... it is a strain used exclusively for charas production and makes exceptional charas

the source was knowledgeable (he insisted the strain is a short sativa) and provided us with superb charas and some very bad pictures of the plants - I will get the pictures up when I can, and descriptions

cheers,

Namkha

I wouldnt mind to through in some of these test seeds, with my next grow of malana, since i was going to make a full diary of the malana anyway...... I will start popping malana seeds in 2 week time

Let me know

Matsi

I already ordered Parvati and Mazar from seedsman... and i'm waiting a response from you for those Golden Triangle and Kullu seeds too. I'm afraid my complete grow report will only be avaliable by april...

I'll start my report as soon as seedsman send my order. Hope I still can get some freebies

I'd like to try these seeds, if I may, please?

As a newbie, I am hoping that I will be able to do a grow diary/report
to show that anyone can grow.

Also as a medicinal user I'd like to try this strain, so my report would
hopefully have double benefits.

Anyway, short of pimping myself, my fingers are crossed!

vangraffe

Are you sure it is a short sativa.Is there not a cross made with a indica in the past.
Do you wanna have a grow report inside or outside with pictures?

Namaste

Hello Namkha,

How you doing, have a nice Christmas?

What your offering sounds a treat! And quite a reasonably small sativa; Is it not a hybrid? Because fairly short for sativa. Although your Highland Malawi Mbanje you are working on is tiny, and thats a landrace sativa. I dunno.. I'll take the word of the breeders.

At the moment i have started my collection with a african haze, Senegal Haze- First haze strain. Also i am doing a mostly sativa, Thai hybrid- Thai-Tanic, apperantly there is a real chocolatey pheno around, keep my eyes open

I have just purchaced some NepxJam (but am really looking for the nep dom mum) and Oldtimers haze- thats gonna be a test; both from Ace. Also will be ordering the Pahari Farmhouse(love indian charras, ive only had cream though) and Sheberghan as never tried anything Afghani, also for its limited stock. Would of ordered it with the others but not from the same site, so will be getting them after New Year.

I would really be interested in growing out this strain and keeping a dairy live, as i am looking for a Nepalese dominant pheno to add to the collection. And wouldnt mind some hand rubbed charras from me own drobe

..Left worse till last..... Im afraid the Pahari Farmhouse and Sheberghan report will not be complete till april/may

I'll keep me fingers crossed still
Sticky

I have just purchaced some NepxJam (but am really looking for the nep dom mum) and Oldtimers haze- thats gonna be a test; both from Ace. Also will be ordering the Pahari Farmhouse(love indian charras, ive only had cream though) and Sheberghan as never tried anything Afghani, also for its limited stock. Would of ordered it with the others but not from the same site, so will be getting them after New Year

that sounds real interesting were you posting this? good luck on that! red

Very interesting namkha! Any info on the type of high it gives? The kullu junglis you sent me also have a short fast flowering phenotype but I have yet to sample the high.

Will post some pictures of the mazaris later. Based on what I've read from other growers I was expecting more sativa looking afghanis but these have the widest leaves I've ever grown.

Hey Doc - if you put some pics up of both I'll send you out some of the freebie Nepalese

the high from this type of Nepalese I would describe as very well balanced - body and head - still distinctly Himalayan in its headiness... the strain is from Midwestern Nepal

Hey Stickyblack - we are not breeders, just collectors - the Malawi Mbanje will be ready to go on sale for when our website is up

As I say, freebies are there for anyone who posts pics and reports of our strains ---- anyone else who is just really keen please contact me by pm

Red Yes this is my shedule for the next half a year nepxjam,ot haze,pahari farmhouse, sheberghan and maby malana, and malawi cross's.

So will be looking out for a mums of each to keep as keeper. Thanks for the interest.

Namkha Sorry, yes i know you are not breeders; And that your here to bring back tradional strains. Thanks for putting in effort and time to finding these strains.

Sticky

Hey Namkha,

You have pm.

Namaste

How is this project coming? Any grow and smoke reports in yet?

Well ive sent namkha a pm last week and said they should be recieved this week. Although i dont know if he has sent them out. So no this project hasnt really started as of yet.. but will be starting these asap. My last freebies came last thurdsay, so i was hoping they would of come today or maby start of next week.

Sticky!

Hiya - I sent out about six lots of the Nepalese freebies to all the addresses I had been given... not sure if yours was one of them stickyblack, but you should have them today or tomorrow if it was --- I deleted all the pms with addresses in once I sent them, for security and because otherwise my inbox fills up in 2 seconds --- send me a pm if you haven't seen anything by Monday

Hey Namkah, so there are no more freebies ? I was really looking for some... got my seeds yesterday and thought that i would still be able to join your promotion.... please don't let me out of the next one If any grow test is needed, you can count on me

shame i don't have space for a sativa... will be popping your kush soon though..

thanks you very much namkha!!!

growtest of the nepalese is starting now!!

this offer is still open - people who submit full grow reports qualify for free Nepalese seeds --- the offer will be open until the end of 2009, as I would like to see reports of our strains run outdoors or greenhouse

in 2009 we will be looking to collect more indoor friendly strains too

Pantagruelion - you should find the Nepalese have 100% germination within 2 days

Thanks Namkha, will be sowing a few today

hi uk 420!!!

hi namkha!


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here are the nepalese at day 3.there is only six plants because 4 were crushed during transport,one didn t pop and i kill the last trying to help her.so on 8 seed ,7 germinate in less than 24 hours.

cool to see them - 8/7 in less than 24 hours is not bad eh?

when you say some were crushed during transport, do you mean some seeds got crushed? or some plants got crushed when you moved them? ...if the seeds got crushed someone must have really jumped on the pack, because our packaging should be pretty solid and tamper proof

really nice to see those babies --- interested to see if you can find the short phenotype in there

thanks for psoting pics Pantagruellion, really appreciate it!

Namkha

I totally agree with namkha... the seeds can't be crushed on the packing... was hard for me to open it, i had to brake so i could open it and it wasn't so easy and it doesn't break into lots of pieces so it stay firm and protective on the original pack.

Namkha, where should we post our report for this promotion ? here or in the grow diary forum ? Hope to start my report today

sorry,but i m talking about the seeds.the pack himself get crushed.

some littleplant have already different leaves,so i think i have the two pheno


hey namkha,you know i ve got only one word :j ai qu une parole!(i keep my word)

hope you understand,don t forgot,i m french

hey - really appreciate it man

damn I wonder what they did to the pack ---

Nerd Weed --- yeh, it is tricky to open the packs, but it can be done once you've got the knack --- best to do it over a towel or some big piece of cloth in case the seeds fly out --- it normally only takes me two or three tries to get a nail in the gap


about the two phenos: the source was very adamant about this - that there are two phenos: a short and a big

I wonder if the bottom righthand plant with the wider shorter leaves is the short pheno.... hmmm, hope so!

the source was insistant that this is a pure Nepalese strain, so I have put Pure Landrace...

but n.b. the charas made from these is these days made by sieving, which I am pretty damn sure reflects Western influence from the days of the 60s/70s hippie trail across Afghanistan, ending up in Nepal --- i.e. hippies bringing the sieving technique with them from Afghanistan... that said, you can find sieving in Kashmir, not so far away, and who knows how long that has been going on there

anyway, point is, I have no idea if this strain could reflect Afghan seeds travelling with hippies to Nepal --- I suspect not, and that it is as the farmers say, a pure native strain --- indeed, as you go east from Nepal you will find short ganja sativas etc. which are native to these regions

Nerd Weed - in the grow diary forum would be fine, if you post a link here so people can follow it that would be great, many thanks

Here's a link to the Villian's grow
http://www.uk420.com/boards/index.php?show...2813&st=165

btw the idea that "sativas" are all big and "indicas" are small is not a very accurate reflection of the diversity that is found in traditional ganja/charas cultivating regions

the most prized cultivars in Indochina are often short ganja sativas - "ganja lek" --- between about 1m - 2m in height --- this is the case in places like Burma, Cambodia, Thailand, Lao etc. and is backed up by books from the '70s prior to when there was any chance of contamination of the genepool by lines like "Skunk" and so on which didn't even exist when Vera Rubin's book was published, or some of the earlier books on cannabis botany

there are dwarf sativas in places like Madagascar and equatorial Africa also

so it is jumping the gun to assume that any short Nepalese pheno necessarily reflects introduction of western genetics

Namkha

I find this very interesting. In the 70's my country was swamped with weed from SE Asia brought in by the Mr Asia (Marty Johnstone) syndicate. This included weed from Thailand, Indonesia and Papau New Guinea. The most potent phenotype across all strains was 20 foot high trees that look like bamboo. This phenotype cropped up in the tiny seeded Indonesian plants as well as the larger seeded Thai plants. The most potent and tallest phenotype had the biggest seeds I have ever seen on any dope plant to this day.

In my country the most sought after sativa has always been the twenty foot Thai strains. They are considered so psychoactive as to be like taking LSD.

My own research of books from the 70's shows enormous twenty foot tropical sativa trees being eradicated by Government troops in Mexico, Thailand, Columbia and Africa. The USA led a "War on Drugs" right across the globe to wipe out all the traditional plantations of giant plants. Mexico for example had huge river valleys completely planted in cannabis trees that the USA sprayed with paraquat. It is these giant plants that the USA specifically seemed to target.

The true original Colombia Gold plant is a huge tree from high in the Colombian mountains. It's normal average size was twenty feet high Xmas tree shape covered in thousands of tiny buds. The "gold" part of the name actually referred to the way it was harvested. Original seed for this variety was once carried by a seedbank in Switzerland and I have grown it myself. All of these huge varieties took at least nine months to mature from seed.

My own research indicates that these giant plant strains are now so rare that the seeds are closely guarded by traditional growers in remote locations. These are families who have historically grown ganga for generations. They were forced back even further into the mountains by the "War on Drugs" in the 70's and 80's.

Let me put it another way. Even in a small town in USA or other outdoor growing areas, the locals still don't always know who the local growers are or where their crops are located. Even in quite densely populated areas. So it is a bit unrealistic to expect to go to a foriegn country and track down the highly secretive growers in remote locations and even less realistic to expect them to sell their highly prized seed.

From my own point of view I have been a grower and breeder for thirty years and I have never sold seed or given away my rarest strains. I also hand checked every single bud to make sure none of my seed ever got accidentally released.

So I think Namkha is doing a brilliant job at getting anything at all from local growers in foreign countries. Those charas cultivars seem quite unique. He may be quite right about about the smaller ganga varieties being the most potent. It has certainly got me quite confused because even the famous Dalat variety from Vietnam is meant to be the same 20 ft phenotype that I have always assumed was the most potent.

Perhaps Namkha could expand on the topic. I would be very interested in what he has learnt in his travels.

scrubdog

hey Scrubdog, many thanks for your posts, I really value having people on this forum who have the kind of experience and knowledge you do

I will definitely keep my eyes open for the kind of 6 - 7m monsters you are describing next time I am back in SEAsia

I have heard of various places in Indonesia which have knockout ganja

I have about 8 - 9 years of experience in Asia, but less than 3 of that has been spent in a serious attempt to hunt down the finest hash and ganja I can find at source

what I can say is this: the difficulty of getting to actually visit farms and see plants up close is directly proportional to the heaviness of the enforcement in the region, because the heaviness of enforcement produces a corresponding level of violence and danger within and without the trade

but heavy enforcement doesn't necessarily imply less growing - in SEAsia it generally means more violence, more corruption...

there are many places in South Asia and Central Asia where you can just walk into farms and talk direct to farmers; in Southeast Asia as a rule it is very difficult because the risks are so high....

I have met highland tribespeople in places like Thailand who would willingly risk carrying quantities of ganja on them which would get them a 10 year jail sentence and would only make them about 130USD (i.e. 1 kg) but who turned white at the thought of taking me up to one of their plantations so I could take photos and look at plants

as well as hunting stuff down I keep an eye on the media while I am in SEAsia - I speak a bit of Thai and my Thai friends also know I like to hear about drug busts --- I can tell you there are always massive hauls of ganja being busted esp. between end Dec to March when things are being cut down and moved... this can be tribal guys planting up hilltops or it can be gangs or chancers getting done

more to the point levels of institutional corruption in Thailand are some of the highest in the world, it is still a major transist point for drugs, and there is always big money to be made

within the military ganja is not viewed as especially serious.... former PM Thaksin allegedly put a motion to the Thai parliament that ganja be legalised, which was quickly thrown out; I am also told that it is still legal to grow a ganja plant for culinary use e.g. for groups like the Thai Yai... you can find Chinese ganja in herblaists for cooking --- I found it in a herbalist in Khorat city in Isaan myself

the military are notorious for planting up fields of ganja --- these may then get cut down by the police or by other military ---- in Mae Hong Son two years back a 4 rai field was cut down about 4km from a major town, literally just in the neighbouring valley

large amounts are grown in Burma and Lao, especially Lao, which as far as I can tell has these days greatest diversity of strains of anywhere I have been in SEAsia --- basically if you have the money and the desire you can grow on a large scale in these countries... Isaan where the best stuff was grown during the Vietnam war (between Nakon Phanom and Nakon Sawan) is basically a part of Lao - Lao ethnic group and Lao language --- the two towns are right next to Lao, just across the Mekong

Highland Thai strains whic people rave about are from a region of Thailand which has for much of its history been a part of Burma --- the strains are basically Burmese

Burma and Lao are the places which really interest me

there is a good book written by Thai economists on the Thai drug trade etc. called Guns, Girls, Gambling, Ganja

I think there is as much ganja being grown in SEAsia as there as ever been - with the economic downturn there will no doubt be more ---- I also don't doubt that prohibition has had a negative effect on biodiversity and quality, making it difficult for farmers to breed and grow properly... that said, from what I have seen I feel there is a good chance there will still be areas in Burma and Lao where there are seed farmers i.e. breeders and ganja farmers i.e. sensi growers


getting back to Nepal: I heard endlessly that Nepal had been screwed by prohibtion etc. but I can tell you there is charas and ganja everywhere there... I never found good ganja though I was only there until Dec and the good stuff doesn't come down till Feb in the Terai

up in the mountains they were mostly growing just charas where I went --- there was knockout jungli and very pukka sieved too

I've shown some sieved to guys who used to take vans to Mazar and Kandahar in the 70s and they rated it very highly --- I hope to prove that there is ganjas good as there was in the 70s in SEAsia ---- golden sensi --- I know where to look, it's just a question of time and money now

Hi Namkha

Thankyou for that information and I totally agree. I can see that you know what you are talking about. You hit the nail on the head. Weed attracts guns, violence and corruption as I know from personal experiences.

That is why growers like myself are so secretive and why we guard our best strains so closely. They represent a lot of risk including prison and death. Even in my country criminal gangs will murder growers to get weed or money. It has happened many times and I have personally had some bad experiences of this type. Our police are also totally corrupt. Enough said.

Please understand that I was not saying you are wrong about which plants are most potent. My only interest is in learning as much as possible so that I can breed better outdoor sativas and preserve heirloom genetics.

scrubdog

Hiya Scrubdog --- no problem at all man I didn't think you were saying I was wrong; I was totally serious when I said I will be looking to find and find out more about the monster sativas you describe

yes, the role of RSC is to make heirloom genetics available to people who are serious about breeding and preservation - I hope you can find some excellent ganja sativas in the Highland Lao - it is from a friend with a decade of experience in the region who is also a very experienced and skilled grower

hi!!!


it s a shame i don t speak english better,because i had loved to talk with you two

Just ordered Golden triangle from the attitude..at a fair price....Ill throw the grow report after Im done flowering this whiteberry....good luck

how long until your website is up? and you talked about jungli strains to be sold by weight , is that still planned?

hi - our site should be up this week, next week at latest --- I finally found a reliable IT guy (having been messed about by 3 people - yes 3 different IT people - promising a lot then delivering nothing) who is doing a great job

yes we will be selling jungli by weight - we still plan to do a three pack of Kullu, Kumaoni and Nepali jungli --- say approx. 100 or so seeds of each --- we can't make any promises about viability though

can't trust stoner geeks

cheers on the jungli and i think you guys are saving some sherb for your site, I want some of thaat!

the Nepalese are looking very promising in The Villain's grow

http://www.uk420.com/boards/index.php?show...p;#entry1645137

Hello Namkha, the Nepalese were the first to sprout from amongst 4 types of strains.
here they are now
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hello!!

The Villain: they look great!!how old are them?

here are mines,two weeks old,pruned at second or third internode
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sorry for the bad quality pic

latest shots of The Villain's indoor Nepalese grow, looking nice

Looking good V.

Namkha. Say I need 4 seperate landrace strains, from 4 totally different places in the world. 2 indica, 2 sats. Can you arrange anything like that?

hi Blayz'd - we are always working on expanding our catalogue, but at the minute we specialise in Asian strains - when it comes down to it, Asia is the heartland of charas (hashish) and ganja culture

about the four strains - you could try


"Indica"
Mazar-i-Sharif 36N and 67E
Golden Triangle Akha 21N 100E

"Sativa"
Kerala 8N 77E
Nepalese 28N 83E

you can see the Strain Guide section of this forum above, or check our site (not yet finished) at www.therealseedcompany.com, or Seedsman, for further details

Yeah I need a couple of Asian strains, one African and one S American. Just wondering if I could get it all in one go.

I like the sound of a few. I'm thinking Golden Triangle and Nepalese. I'll PM you about that one Monday mate.

I'll be able to write up a grow report on them for you aswell if you want one. I tend to write alot of stuff down I take loads of pictures too. My philosophy is if I take enough I'm certain to get a few good ones. hehe.

Thanks mate.



Good mission.

hey Blayz'd

you should have a close read of the descriptions of the strains before you make a decision

Kerala is from the deep South Indian ganja genepool which - I'm told - went into the final creation of Original Haze --- either way, it is a classic ganja strain from a region with probably the deepest and most established ganja culture in the world: from the Kerala (Malabar) region, ganja spread out to East Africa etc.

the Golden Triangle Akha is a very interesting strain --- it has very heavy trichome coverage and amazing flavour - it could form a part of a really interesting breeding project: the trich density means that crossed with a high potency line you could find very potent plants in the offspring - but - you will have to look harder for potent plants in the GTAkha: the typical potency is mild to moderate; there are very likely to be high CBD plants in there, making it a potential goldmine for serious medical breeders and users, but GTAkha is one to buy if you are doing serious breeding, not if you want to find potent plants right, left and centre

the Nepalese is looking like it will be the kind of line which fans of Reeferman and Nepalese Highland are looking for

you can find plenty of info about the Mazar-i-Sharif in other threads

all best, happy hunting

Namkha

I plan to combine the genetics of all 4 strains and go from there. That will give me a base to work from. I think it'll keep me entertained for a long time. I like to play. The reason for my choice in my last post was due to one being potent and one with high CBD, amoung other things. So we're on the same page mate.

Although what you say about Kerala is interesting. I'll check that strain out before deciding. Thanks for the advice and help.

hey - I just thought it was worth pointing out that all of our lines are totally different

even the Malana, Pahari and Nepalese, which are from Himachal Pradesh, Uttarakhand and Western Nepal (all in a line from 32N to 28N) are totally different --- they are separated by mountain ranges and have been developing in isolation for who knows how long

the Kerala is totally different from all our SEAsians

the Highland Thai is from only two days journey away from the GTAkha but is a totally different type of plant

because the ganja and charas culture in Asia is so incredibly old, the depth of diversity is unparalleled

can understand why you would want something from separate continents, but you don't need to worry about any of our lines being similar, they are all very different

these three seeds are all from Nepal, and the difference even in the size of seeds is obvious

hi


here is my only female on 6 seeds,5 weeks old now and in 2.4 litre pot.She s very sativa looking.

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update on Weedmonsta's Nepalese grow
http://www.uk420.com/boards/index.php?show...57794&st=75

hi namkha!


My female is really sativa looking,i hope she ll be as good as beautiful!
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Unfortunately I got a male from the squatter of the two, the leggy one was farmed out, this one will be joining it
http://www.uk420.com/boards/index.php?s=&a...t&p=1681596

hi!!



My nepalese is now 120 cm tall,always in a 2.4litre container;she start to show flower.
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Will be sowing a few more seeds