Ok...so I get a few cocky people who really think they know what they have been told is true.

e.g...C5 seeds...I thought C5 was cutting only?...someone said to me they had c5 seeds n I didnt believe them

also someone said they had some Purple Haze but isnt purple haze non exsistant now?

never heard of c5 and not sure bout purple haze

C5's been very popular around these parts...stinks of Lemon and gets even a failry experienced smoker battered..but cutting only...thats why it makes me mad when people have been blagged into believing they have C5 seeds

id love to get some of the original purple haze.... but i also heard it is virtually extinct now

There's haze. There's purple. Is it purple haze ?

Answers on a postcard.


Edited to add cheese seeds.....

Even cheese from so-called cheese clones recently have been shit. Not like I remember when I first smoked cheese. Cheese seeds ? I'll believe it when I smoke it, and I aint yet.

As far as I'm aware purple haze is a pheno, not an actual strain.

I read somewhere that OT's haze could throw out some purple phenos.

So i think it's fair to say anyone who says they have purple haze seeds is talking shit. They might have a purple haze pheno.

I don't actually know any of this for fact either. Hopefully someone else who knows more will be along shortly.

it'll never happen either booj,

to get seeds it'd need to be crossed with something else which would = a totally new strain

Aye, and the 'real' cheese has been watered down - clones from clones from clones. I reckon the first cheese I smoked (way back when) was probably - I won't say a second generation clone but maybe a 3rd or 4th, still had something to it. Smoked some recently, had the smell, was cloned not seeds, but was a clone of a clone of a clone..... ad nauseam, and it just wasn't the same plant at all. I don't know the mechanism (I should, I did genetics at uni but it was nigh on 20 years ago and I've drunk WAY too much since) but I do know that it just wasn't the same plant at all, even though it was allegedly clones of clones, not any of the so-called cheese seeds. Came down from the original, but just too watered down. Even a clone loses stuff, you keep cloning from the same mum it's cool, but you clone from a clone & clone from that clone, they not actually clones, there is a change in the genetic material. Least I think there is.

hiya booj, i don't want to start any rows or in-depth disscusions.... but shouldn't a clone be just that, a clone (a perfect genetic copy of the parent) i'm not sudgesting that your wrong about what you smoked earlyer being better and the more recent smoke being worse. but i am sudgesting they will have been grown differently and by different people

so yeah

Aye, I recognise that. But the difference can't just have been down to poor growing, surely it can't affect things THAT much I'm still convinced that something happens when you clone from a clone from a clone from a clone - they don't do that in agriculture, there must be a reason. I'm sure I had an old grower tell me this years ago - you keep a mum & clone from the mum, you don't clone from a clone from a clone. Maybe the seasoned growers will prove me wrong, but I'm sure it weakens the strain, somehow. If I hadn't killed so many braincells with alcohol I'd probably remember why. But I can't

i hear that about the alcohol... i keep thinking i'd be more cleverer/have better memory if i didn't have a few beers a night
i know about copys of copys of copys usually being worse (esp if your talking about audio cassettes and photocopys) but my reasoning is that if a clone is a genetic copy would it deteriorate? i don't knoe... but i hope someone who can explain it to us will be along soon

Hi peeps....OK... A clone is an exact replica of the plant it was cloned from no matter how many times you clone and re-clone it.It is genetically impossible for it to be any different from the donor plant. You may have heard people talk about 'genetic drift' in clones but (according to SamSkunkman and DJ Short and various plant genetics experts,not just little me!) that is not really an accurate name for it as it misleads people.....What is really happening in these instances of clone's losing vigour over time and re-cloning is that the plant has picked up a virus or similar at some point,due simply to being around long enough to pick up a virus on its busy life journey through many growers hands and that's why its never the same again.
For instance I'm willing to beleive there is a difference in the Cheese cut you got recently to the Cheese you had b4,but that may have happened at any point between now and then and doesn't mean another of the same original Cheese cut thats been passed round in another area for say 10 years is also fucked. There is no time limit on Clones and recloning,just good and bad luck and growing practices etc They don't run out at 20 re-clones.....I re-clone my mums yearly and they are always the same if looked after and re-cloned with the right technique and with a good luck! I have even flowered and revegged Mums to be a Mum again after blooming and they were still exactly the same plant's.
The age your mum is when you take the cuts from her makes the 'age' of the cutting and any 'new' Mum cuts should be vegged til they preflower,before you take cuts for your new crop. So that Cheese cut thats got worse may have been cloned at too young or too old a Mother 'age' too many times which can make them either too slow to bud initially or so pre-flowered that they dont veg or clone well,which in turn affects performance etc.
Theres nothing wrong with the Cheese that my crew grow,its just as good as ever,Honestly........and if u cant get a decent Cheese get some Psychosis instead! Good luck JBo

Fine post Resinator .... spot on ....


Laz

Thanx Laz.....That took me ages to type,because I am like a 'Chip shop Fish' right now..................Battered!
I was up all night 'Dusting' my girls with the fruits of some of my best Stud's.......
I nearly forgot as far as Cheese seed's go....It would be possibble to get a Cheese seed strain that was as close as dammit. It just takes time,patience and know-how thats all.
One good route towards it would be to cross it with a Male from a different strain(either a similar skunk,or an Afghan like BigBuddah tried or personally I would try something totally different that shares no exact genetics with Cheese which itself is a mutant 'Skunk1' but is a stable strain,because then u can see the difference easier). Then cross a Male and female from the offspring seeds(F1 generation) together to make the F2 gen. In the f2 or F3gen find a few males that you think smell or have appearance like a cheese and cross them back to the Original cheese female.You have to grow out the results of those Cheese female x Diff Males and see which produces offspring closest to cheese. After that cross best male or males of those offspring back to first cheese female again and repeat this a few more times using cheesiest plants each time. Eventually you will have a Cheese IBL that breeds true. There are a couple of other routes such as using CS sprays to get Cheese to show male flowers and then pollinate another cut of the same cheese female with the female pollen. They will all be female or intersex seeds. I am not recommending this as I don't like Female seeds anyway but it may work...people are trying at the moment all over the community! JBo

Greetings,

That's why I love this community so much. More new things that I've learnt about our hobby today . Interesting thread

Peace and one love

Buffalosoldier

Quality post Resinator, thanks a lot! Ive learned something new today

e2a: that was a big edit Resinator, more interesting stuf cheers.

Me too i've learned alot aswell

thanks res good read dude

peace

We aim to please!!!

clicky

"A plant that is propagated by serially cloning, will age much much faster at the cellular level than a plant that is held in semi stasis from its puberty age and constantly renewed from old tissue. ie mother plants are a way of holding back aging. Most of the research has in fact been done with elite forestry genetic lines, even their stock clone lines age beyond where cuttings are of commercially viable any longer, the cells having lost vigour and weakened beyond recall.

So at the moment with cannabis, bonsai mothers are the best method I know of, of holding its age back. Once a clone line has aged to a point that it is getting senescent, nothing can rejuvenate it, like all things the ability of cells to replicate is not finite. Plants are different to animal life in that a stem has many incipient dormant buds, these buds meristem is fixed at the age it was formed. So If I have a 5 year old mum and I force a dormant bud in the old bark to develop the shoot produced is 5 years younger age wise at the cell level than the tips would be at the top of the plant. This also holds true to a certain extent with the normal propagation methods used with bonsai mothers. ie the tips are constantly cut back to normal semi dormant nodes, these develop into new shoots that are aged from when they were formed. I hope you can translate this to what happens with cuttings that are produced by the serial method without me having to go into detail.

Some people are very confused about this and think that tissue culture can rejuvenate a clone line. This is not true re the cellular age level of any meristem is the cellular age, it can’t be changed. What tissue culture can do is produce a plant completely free of virus vectors. This make the plants take on a new vigour and life at the full potential for what their base cell age is.

I hope this helps. OldTimer1"

Yeah he explains it somewhat better /\

there are also growers out there selfing clone-onlys which gives femmed seeds, but doesnt guarantee you will get an exact parent copy.