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wakenbaker
" A wave of longing struck me with the force of a blow. This I realied suddenly was what I had craved all my life. This is what all those forays into the countryside had been about, and the days spent growing flowers and vegetables. I am a born guerrilla grower, trapped among people who are content to pay exorbiant prices for substandard pot."

This is Wakenbaker signing in for his 2009 training.

Whilst all you veterans are reaping the rewards of your labours I've been busy Reckying some sites for 2009. I've got one site that I'm real happy with and today I've been to prepare it.

First I got me some shit

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As you can see it has nettles growing in it so its well rotted pooh.gif allready.


Then I packed up my arsenal

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wakenbaker
Before
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After

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And this is my (dubious) water supply

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Not sure if i should give this to my plants or not maybe I shoukd test it on some other plants first.
anaconda19
what a big pile o shit!

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lookin good here mate well prepared. like the carryin muck in the rucksack ph34r.gif
good luck

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Marcos
WANNA BE A MARINE!

W n' B in training ...




You go for it fella. I'll be watching adding input where I can smile.gif
wakenbaker
I went out to recky a new site today. Its a good site in general but its not very big a whack bang in the middle of it is this

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What do you rekon?

Not worth the risk of being discovered by workmen??
wakenbaker
The site with the telegraph pole was enroute to my first site (but by a different approach to what I normally take and parking in a different area).

When I got to what I thought was a parking spot close to my 1st site (trying to visualise google earth on the ground) I set off with a backback full of manure and me tools.

When I realised I was in the wrong place i dumped my backpack and carried on hopping to get my bearings as I knew I wasnt too far away.

From the top of a road bridge I saw my site and was going to return to my backback when I noticed a trail leading down into what looked like another good site to grow in. Down the bank I found theese

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Which I though I might steal and use on my site.

I then proceede along the trail and to my surprise came across this

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After a quick smell (didnt smell much) and a quick photo, i got out of there as quick as possible. Walking back to my rucksack I was debating taking a bud for myself but decided against it thinking of guys like macos and funkimunki who have been robbed. hopefully the good yinyang.gif from not taking any will be retrurned to me but I dont belive in that. Im impressed the plant was there as it was easy to access and we've had a heavy frost 3 nights ago. So in one way its good but in another I'm now worrying as my site is only two fields away and although its a much better site I feel im on someone elses patch and my site might get discovered by whoever put this plant in.
wakenbaker
Anyway I proceded on to my site and added a second rucksack full of pooh.gif

I also bought some of these coca coir blocks

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thanks for the tip Marcos.

I chucked a couple on my patch

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They should expand when it rains and fill my patch with some nice rooting matter.

Peace out

Wake N Bake
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Total cost of grow so far £1.50

Not including petrol!!
Marcos
All credit for not ripping that plant mate, you'll be rewarded handsomely next year for doing the right thing wink1.gif
Marcos
QUOTE(wakenbaker @ Nov 1 2008, 04:56 PM) *
I went out to recky a new site today. Its a good site in general but its not very big a whack bang in the middle of it is this

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What do you rekon?

Not worth the risk of being discovered by workmen??


I like that site, good thick natural vegetation .. good enough for 2-3 plants by the looks of it. The chances of a workman doing some maintenance on the power cable is very slim m8 .. why not take a chance?
Marcos
.. and regarding the Coco Coir blocks go here to get them .. very cheap and they do mulches as well all with free P&P too wink1.gif

wakenbaker
QUOTE(Marcos @ Nov 1 2008, 07:06 PM) *
All credit for not ripping that plant mate, you'll be rewarded handsomely next year for doing the right thing wink1.gif


If it had been me 2 years ago, I would have took that plant without a second thought. The fact my shoulders were aching when I came across it made me apreciate the work that goes in to doing this. Hell it might have been a medicinal users only surviving plant for all I know.

QUOTE(Marcos @ Nov 1 2008, 07:09 PM) *
I like that site, good thick natural vegetation .. good enough for 2-3 plants by the looks of it. The chances of a workman doing some maintenance on the power cable is very slim m8 .. why not take a chance?


If I dont find anywhere better I'll drop a plant in here.

QUOTE(Marcos @ Nov 1 2008, 07:14 PM) *
.. and regarding the Coco Coir blocks go here to get them .. very cheap and they do mulches as well all with free P&P too wink1.gif


That is a lot better value than my local garden centre unfortunatley I cant get anything delivered to my house as I live with my rents. I will hopefully move out before harvest time otherwise I'll have to get a stonner friend to dry+cure it. Which leads me on to a problem I have with getting seeds. I could either

1) get seeds sent to stonner friends address and give him a free bean and bit of the harvest (more of the harvest if hes drying it for me)
2) My local head shop only stoks nirvana but I could ask them to order me different strains
3) Gorw shit overpriced indoor nirvana
4) Grow 2 year old bagseed from an average smoke (but plenty of seeds from an ounce I lost nearly a quart in seeds)

Thanks for looking in Marcos what are you growing next year?

W + B
wakenbaker
QUOTE(johndoe @ Nov 1 2008, 08:55 PM) *
Finding a new site and setting it up is always a compromise.

On the one hand you don't want to put too much effort and too many plants into a site that is going to be found and ripped off. On the other hand if it isn't found then you want to put the maximum effort into the site so as to get the best return. My motto has always been "if it looks like it can fit five plants then I can definitely squeeze in twenty..."

Seriously if you grow five plants and nobody goes anywhere near them all summer then at harvest time you are going to wish like hell that you had put 500 plants there. Outdoors you can do S.O.G. on a giant scale planting as close as half a metre apart. Especially if you have to pull males later anyway.

I have a very simple approach now. The first season I do a seed crop only to get all my seed. Then the next season I start planting in spring and I don't stop till midsummer when the plants start budding. That eliminates the whole "shall I plant here or not?" conundrum. Simply plant everywhere that looks even remotely feasible. Don't even try to waste time figuring out if it's a good spot or a great spot. Just plant it then move on to the next spot.

The results are often interesting. Sometimes it's the obvious plots that don't get found. The ones in the places that you thought were really stupid.

johndoe



Wow do you dig all the ground over in prep and put humus/fertz/lime down? Or do you just rely on quantity of plants out there? I like your approach and im not too bothered by rippers its the rozzers I dont want to find my grow spots. And if they do I ony want them to find one or two plants not a "plantation" as 5 plants were called in a news article!! Im going for as many good spots as I can manage with only one or two plants in each. Right enough talkng im off to recky more sites and do some digging. ph34r.gif

W+B
Marcos
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QUOTE(Marcos @ Nov 1 2008, 07:06 PM) *
All credit for not ripping that plant mate, you'll be rewarded handsomely next year for doing the right thing wink1.gif


If it had been me 2 years ago, I would have took that plant without a second thought. The fact my shoulders were aching when I came across it made me apreciate the work that goes in to doing this. Hell it might have been a medicinal users only surviving plant for all I know.

QUOTE(Marcos @ Nov 1 2008, 07:09 PM) *
I like that site, good thick natural vegetation .. good enough for 2-3 plants by the looks of it. The chances of a workman doing some maintenance on the power cable is very slim m8 .. why not take a chance?


If I dont find anywhere better I'll drop a plant in here.

QUOTE(Marcos @ Nov 1 2008, 07:14 PM) *
.. and regarding the Coco Coir blocks go here to get them .. very cheap and they do mulches as well all with free P&P too wink1.gif


That is a lot better value than my local garden centre unfortunatley I cant get anything delivered to my house as I live with my rents. I will hopefully move out before harvest time otherwise I'll have to get a stonner friend to dry+cure it. Which leads me on to a problem I have with getting seeds. I could either

1) get seeds sent to stonner friends address and give him a free bean and bit of the harvest (more of the harvest if hes drying it for me)
2) My local head shop only stoks nirvana but I could ask them to order me different strains
3) Gorw shit overpriced indoor nirvana
4) Grow 2 year old bagseed from an average smoke (but plenty of seeds from an ounce I lost nearly a quart in seeds)

Thanks for looking in Marcos what are you growing next year?

W + B


Just a heads up m8, if you buy your seeds from DrChronic you have a choice on how you want your seeds delivered, one such option is inside a blank DVD case so you can tell you mom you've just ordered a DVD and tell her 'it'll be here in a few days' .. "oh and here it is mom, right I'm off upstairs to watch it .. see you later .." .. sorted smile.gif

I've got 16 strains on my list but I'm waiting until I finalise where exactly I'm growing then I can choose the plant type to suit that particular site i.e. if a site is open with large shrubbery and small tree's about then I'll choose something like Night Shade from Barney's Farm, these grow small and bushy and should suit that site well hiding them behind the big shrubs and bushes. If a site is very secure with a surrounding fence & large tree's ect I'll choose a tall big yielding strain like EL Nino or Himalayan Gold.
wakenbaker
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Today I went and scouted out this site. Its really good for light as this pic is looking north and behind me theres an open field. However theres a well used briddleway next to it, so not brilliant for security. I decided against growing here as its too far away to drive to at the moment. Will remember this one for future years.

offtopic.gif I saw some pretty cool grafiti whilst out today

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wakenbaker
This afternoon I also went and dug over my 2nd site which I havnt shown yet but I recked it a few weeks ago and its quite nice if a little small.

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So I dug her ova

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and chucked in a couple of thoose coca choir burgers.
wakenbaker
And theres a nice little stream by this site which swayed me to use it despite its smallness.

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wakenbaker
QUOTE(johndoe @ Nov 2 2008, 10:29 AM) *
I put a lot of effort into some sites early in the season. They're my best sites that I hope won't get found. By the end of the planting season I'm planting the same way pine trees are planted. Plants are in wet root bundles wrapped in moss. Plants in one hand (more in pack on my back) and spade in other hand. Whack in spade, push to make a split in the soil, place plant, tramp in with foot, move on. If it looks a good spot, maybe add a handful of slow release fertiliser. Best done in the rain for maximum plant health but beggars can't be choosers.

Just move through the bush planting everywhere the sun gets in. I mean everywhere too. I like to totally flood a location while avoiding areas where people might go. The problem with this approach is that if somebody finds a few then they find a lot.... then some more... then some more. So the more isolated the spot the better.

On the plus side, it's usually four months into the season by then so you have a pretty good idea if there is other people using the area.

Think of it this way... you really just need one bit of bush that nobody will look in for just one season. A slip face, a deadfall area, over a bank, a stream edge.... then maximise it because you may not get to use it ever again.

My best ever guerilla site just totally rocked. I cut hand and foot holds up a sheer cliff to a plateau that couldn't be seen from down below. On the way down each time I put moss in each hand hold so you couldn't see them. It was very dangerous climbing up and down but no animals to worry about and a natural spring. Just had to worry about being spotted from the air.

Another time I planted in a swamp where nobody would ever think to look. I carted in fifty litre buckets in the winter and potting mix. I sat the buckets on top of the mud. They sunk in a few inches and the plants sucked up water through the bottom of the pots. I thought the water would be toxic but instead I got huge plants that got way too big for the pots. I had to take them out and just dump the root ball on top of the wet mud so it was like a mound. Then I had to tie the damn things up or they would've fallen over. Some of the biggest plants I ever grew. That was back when I used pots and stuff. Those pots are still there.

I had heaps of rippers trying to find that crop. They knew I was a grower and they saw my car at this patch of bush all the time. The cops put a chopper over the bush but to this day that spot has never been found. See I was hiking all the way through the bush, then out the other side into bare farmland with a huge stinking wet muddy swamp in the middle of a paddock. In full view. All swamp grass way over my head. Had to slosh through mud up to my knees to get in. No animals. Nobody ever thought to look there because there was no way you could grow dope in wet mud aye.

johndoe


Thats a great story man! Love the swamp idea I might use that on future grows. Allready thinking about a 2010 grow when I can put a lot more time and effort into it. How did you remember where you planted all your plants? Did you keep notes or just accepted that youd forget where some of them were?
Marcos
QUOTE(wakenbaker @ Nov 2 2008, 06:11 PM) *
And theres a nice little stream by this site which swayed me to use it despite its smallness.

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You'll probably notice in the summer months that stream will turn in to a trickle or worst case scenario in a hot summer it'll evaporate in to noting at all .. just another heads up m8.
herman herb
Hey wakenbake,

Dig a large deep hole in that stream to act like a sump, It will let you submerge your buckets to fill em quick. wink.gif
Marcos
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Hey wakenbake,

Dig a large deep hole in that stream to act like a sump, It will let you submerge your buckets to fill em quick. wink.gif


Good diarrhoea mate wink1.gif
wakenbaker
Hello,

Not much to update, but I've managed to "aquire" some chicken wire and I was in the vacinity of site 2 today, so I called in to stash it there. Hidden under some stingers

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wakenbaker
Whilst at site 2 I also took a look at the coca-coir burgers, which have been there for one week (with a fair bit of rain)

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They have about trippled in size.
wakenbaker
So I broke them up and spread em around a bit.

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Rekon I should put quite a few more down to do any real good.

Shoppinglist for next trip to garden centre

more coca-coir
ph test kit
kids tools!!
wakenbaker
QUOTE (herman herb @ Nov 3 2008, 11:01 AM) *
Hey wakenbake,

Dig a large deep hole in that stream to act like a sump, It will let you submerge your buckets to fill em quick. wink.gif



Thats a briliant idea, hopefully the hole would hold water even if the stream dried up? Or I could go to the site with empty containers now whilst the streams full fill em up and then bury them close to my site. But I like the hole idea aswell as you never know how much water your gonna need. Luckily I've got some wadders, might look a bit suspect if the farmer sees me digging a hole in his stream though (but I think it flows through a wood so thats allright.)

Wake N Bake
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total cost of grow still £1.50!

Gonna keep a running total cost of grow, (but I am trying to keep it fairly cheap this year by scavenging).

wakenbaker
QUOTE (Marcos @ Nov 2 2008, 11:01 AM) *
I've got 16 strains on my list but I'm waiting until I finalise where exactly I'm growing then I can choose the plant type to suit that particular site i.e. if a site is open with large shrubbery and small tree's about then I'll choose something like Night Shade from Barney's Farm, these grow small and bushy and should suit that site well hiding them behind the big shrubs and bushes. If a site is very secure with a surrounding fence & large tree's ect I'll choose a tall big yielding strain like EL Nino or Himalayan Gold.


You doing Frisan dew, maroc, swiss miss, and purple again?
I'll be doing Frisan dew if I can get me mitts on some seeds.
Marcos
The Frisian did not yield too well and one was a very late flowerer so I won't be bothering again with them. The Swiss, Moroc and Purple are all worth a try though smile.gif
wakenbaker
I went out to a woodland today and colected some of the topsoil. Still using the rucksack technique, either i'm getting stronger or leaf mulch/topsoil is alot lighter than manure!!

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The soil is a nice dark colour and crumbles in my hand perfect! Alot of small roots but dont think that'l matter

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I then went onto my first site to spread it over. On my approach I noticed the Orange coat brigade working on the railway that borders my site. I had to drop 'n' hide pretty quick to not get spotted. I couldnt risk going to my spot and applying the mulch so I unloaded it and stashed it under a bush. Im now wondering if this site is worth using as its also the one that has a "geurrila neighbour". Hmmm unsure.gif 20.gif
wakenbaker
On to site 2,

Coca-coir not done much after another week, so the rest of the packet went in here,

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wakenbaker
With the daylight fast diminishing I just managed to fit in another site reconnaissance. This site turned up trumps,

facing north

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wakenbaker
Facing south

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Marcos
Keep on plodding away at your plots fella, you won't regret it!
peewee

Keeping an eye out for any bind weed amongst the root/soil matter your adding there mate.
wakenbaker
QUOTE (Marcos @ Nov 15 2008, 06:02 PM) *
Keep on plodding away at your plots fella, you won't regret it!


Thanks for the encouragement.

QUOTE (peewee @ Nov 15 2008, 08:36 PM) *
Keeping an eye out for any bind weed amongst the root/soil matter your adding there mate.


Thanks for the headsup mate, if anyones wondering what bindweed looks like;
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Cant get out to myplots today cry.gif
peewee

What your loking for is the bind weed root. Long white spagetti looking thing. Thought I spotted some in the picture you posted with the coco coir. If there is bind weed in the area fuck it off and start again. You will never remove it all and it will eventually strangle your plants....unless your down there every few days to check on them.

Hope I'm mistaken!!
Mephitis
Bury the coir pellets a couple of inches below the ground, that way they will absorb moisture from the surrounding soil and will expand a lot faster, plus they'll also be out of sight.
starway
good luck on finding the ultimate spot. i reckon next year will be nice weather too !

i can tell u got dedication, ill definatley be around to see this !

peace

starway
internewt
My plot this year had that bind weed, and although troublesome it only seemed to hang about the first half of the season or so.

During visits to my plot I had to spend quite a bit of time unravelling that shit from my plants, and ripping the creepers up away from my plants. I had to deal with them 2 or three times, but in August they seemed to have stopped growing up.

Creepers are a minor problem compared to some of the hazards the guerilla grower faces. Just pull 'em up, and deal with them if they become a problem during your grow.
wakenbaker
On Saturday im going to my local head shop to see what seeds the have in. Im kinda hoping they will order me some seeds off the seedsman website. So Ive made a list of strains which are mainly 6-8 weeks flowering time and under £30 (but with a few exceptions) Here it is:

Strain: Company: Flowering time: Price: Number of seeds: Fem or regular

Fast Blast Afropips 7 weeks £25 10 reg seeds
Outdoor mix seedsman classic ? weeks £11.49 ?
Early Durban seedsman gold 8 weeks £18.99 ?
Nemesis seedsman 7-9 weeks £19.99 5 fem seeds
power african seedsman 8-9 weeks £19.99 5 fem seeds
Mama mia seedsman 8 weeks £19.99 5 fem seeds
white widdow seedsman 8 weeks £19.99 5 fem seeds
Lowryder2 joint doctor (auto) £34.99 5 fem seeds
lowryderXAK47 joint doctor (auto) £34.99 5 fem seeds
Afghan Kush world of seeds 6-8 weeks £18.49 3 fem seeds
Ketama world of seeds 6-7 weeks£18.49 3 fem seeds
Pakistan alley World of seeds 6-7 weeks £18.49 3 fem seeds
S.Africa Kwazulu world of seeds 8-9 weeks £18.49 3 fem seeds
Early Queen mr nice 6-8 weeks £32 15 seeds
Auto AK47 Grassomatic (auto) £22.99 3 fem seeds
Passion 1 Dutch passion 6 weeks £28.46 5 fem seeds
Purple#1 Dutch passion 8 weeks £28.46 5 fem seeds
twilight Dutch passion 7-8 weeks £26.92 5 fem seeds
voodoo Dutch passion 7weeks £26.92 5 fem seeds
Durban poison Dutch passion 8-9 weeks £32.31 5 fem seeds
power plant dutch passion 8 weeks £36.15 5 fem seeds
orange bud dutch passion 8 weeks £30.77 5 fem seeds
hollands hope dutch passion 8 weeks £28.46 5 fem seeds
Easy sativa female seeds 7 weeks £14.62 4 fem seeds
maroc female seeds 8 weeks £14.62 4 fem seeds
purple power female seeds 7 weeks £13.99 4 fem seeds
rox paradise seeds 8 weeks £34.99 10 seeds
outdoor mix sensiseeds ?? £33.99 25 seeds
ruderalis indica sensi seeds 8 weeks £16.99 10 seeds
Geurrillas gusto sensi seeds 9 weeks £19.49 10 seeds
early skunk sensi seeds 8 weeks £25.49 10 seeds
ruderalis skunk sensi seeds 7-9 weeks £33.99 10 seeds
jamaican pearl sensi seeds 7-9 weeks £42.49 10 seeds
early pearl sensi seeds 9 weeks £42.49 10 seeds
Durban sensi seeds 9 weeks £42.49 10 seeds
early girl sensi seeds 8 weeks £42.49 10 seeds
biddy early magus genetics 8-9 weeks £30 10 seeds
Mendocino Madness th seeds 7 weeks 34.99 10 seeds









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Marcos
Good luck shortening your list wacko.gif I have got my 'to-do' strain list down to 16 so I just need to choose from them.
wakenbaker
Went to my local head shop today and they no longer take the risk of selling seeds! sad.gif

So im might have to get a stonner friend to order me some off tinternet im thinking of Nemesis by seedsman at £20 for 5 fem seeds. Might wait a while though as I might be able to move into my own place before May an just buy them myself.

Q) When you buy a packet of outdoor mixed (sensi, seedsman etc) is each seed indiviualy labeled or is it just pot luck (scuse the pun) and you have to guess the strain from what it grows like.

wakenbaker
toki
absolutely great list , now all ive got to do is choose too, time for a j methinks... spliff.gif





toki
Stickybud73
i can recommend the rox, but i've got my eye on the purple #1 too for an additional treat.

wakenbaker
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I emailed seedsman and asked if they sold to any shops. They do! Cant say which as it'l be classed as Spam_Icon.gif but its about an hour and a half away from mine.

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internewt
If linking to Seedsman's is OK, then they list the places that stock their seeds:
http://www.seedsman.com/en/retailers/seedsman-stockists
wakenbaker
QUOTE (internewt @ Nov 26 2008, 10:54 PM) *
If linking to Seedsman's is OK, then they list the places that stock their seeds:
http://www.seedsman.com/en/retailers/seedsman-stockists


Internewt you Legend thats knocked my time down to a 30minute drive! thumbsup.gif
mylo
how many strains are you intending to grow? because that looks like alot of work. spliff.gif
wakenbaker
QUOTE (mylo @ Nov 29 2008, 05:05 PM) *
how many strains are you intending to grow? because that looks like alot of work. spliff.gif


I am actually keeping it quite small this year as I currently live with my rents so gotta keep it on the extra ph34r.gif
I've only prepared two sites so far and I'll only be putting 1 or two plants in each. I am planning on five sites in total so probably only one strain of 5 feminized seeds. Also may put in some bagseed to see what it does as I already have the beans. I am documenting everything I do to help me remember for the year after (plus the more I post the more usefull advice im getting off you guys).

Things might change if I move into my own place next year. Im allready thinking about 2010 when I should be able to put in alot more time and effort. I may even pick one site as a breeding site and grow some males and females together so I have plenty of seeds for 2010.

I got a ph tester kit yesterday for £4.40 which will do me 5 tests. So next job is to get out to my sites and get some soil samples!

Wake N Bake

Total cost of grow so far £5.90
wakenbaker
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My ph tester kit came with a list plants and there prefered ph! Rather disapointed not to find cannabis on the list. There is one called canna though (ph 6.0-8.0) anyone know what this is or is it a secret code for our beloved MJ?
MR Kipling
Easy man - it's good to see someone else thirsting for knowledge and preparing as soon as possible (just read through your other thread)... 2009 will be my first grow attempt ever - i'm fortunate enough to have a pretty secure garden to use, but it's none the less daunting all the same.
Have you decided on the strains your going to use yet. There's so many possible varieties, to say i'm lost is an understatement! - i guess the all important is that it harvests realatively early...not exactly known for out glorious weather are we?!
Cheers for the insight wakenbake, all the best with the grow.
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