A question to which I'm sure I will get allot of answers.

I was originally looking at growing a couple of Marley's Collie, however I will probably only have about 1m max height. It will be my first grow and it will be indoor's and done hyroponically, whilst I have a reasonable horticultural knowledge and experience I was wondering if its the best strain to go for, it is said to be a greenhouse and outdoor grow (in the right climate), does this mean its quite resistant. Also will it work trying to keep it within height limit?

Experienced advice would be great!

Outdoor strains can generally flower under 13-14 hours of light, you might yield more by putting them on a 13/11 or 14/10 cycle rather than a 12/12 cycle.

meant to say allot of differnt answers, dont want to sound like a complete dick.

Re:photo-cycle

Marley's Collie doesn't finish outdoors until the end of oct and it flowers for 60 days. My day length and latitude charts tell me that it should therefore flower at 13/11 but not 14/10.

Cheers gunnaknow, you reacon it would be an OK first grow strain??

I don't really know enough about the strain to say. It's not one of the strains that would have come to mind when recommending a strain for a first timer.

no experience of Marley's Collie but thats a fuckedupilly stupid price for weed seeds even from the Sensi Corporation
height wise.... grow what you want and read how to deal with height problems from the KB, etc , Winston....
must go..... Mod Naiseanta Rioghail is on!..... but pay as little cash as possible is my advice if this is your first grow...

Cheers guys.
Yeah is quite a bit of wedge for just a few seeds, top top wack really.
As far as a strain for first grow Im basically thought it would be a damn nice smoke, though any other reccomendations, anything more suitable would be good. what else would be worth a grow??

Well, by your interest in Marley's Collie it looks as though you're after a sativa, yet you say that you have limited height. I think Nepalese Jam and Bhangi Haze are meant to be quite compact for pure sativas. I'm not sure how easy either are to grow but pure sativas aren't usually considered ideal strains for first time growers. I'd recommend training them or any other sat dom, if you only have 1m of height to work with. Is that 1m in total, including root depth, space for lights and distance of canopy from lights? How much height do you have to work with from the top of the reservoir or tray to the bulb?

Hi, 1m was for height of plant, not roots or lights, Ive got about1.6m in total and was looking at using a Coolstar shade which would allow me to grow quite close. I was also looking at using Esoteric Hydroponics 2 pod system, which I believe is 45cm tall, taking up quite a bit of room. The obvious option for getting more height, would be to use a smaller and probably cheaper hydroponics system, but I would quite like the 2 pod system if I can get the price down a bit, supposed to be effective and low maintenance.

Grow something nice and simple that will get you nice and lean. Skunk is always a good place to start, Sat/Indy hybrid.

I recommend 'the Pure'. Its meant to be the original SK#1 and its lovely. Nice phenos, not too tall, not too low. 9 weeks ish.

There is loads of info and diaries on it on good ol UK420 and im not the only one who would reccommend it.

Failing that, AK47, WW, all the classics.

peace mate.

Chillwinston, esoteric are the biggest rip off merchants around! They have a reputation around here for vastly overcharging on items that can usually be found else where much cheaper.

I agree... You cant go very wrong with a good solid skunk no1. Failing that I'd go with a quick flowering Afghani or some other potent indica strain.


Growing a sativa, first time, may just put you off growing for life.

I wouldn't recommend a pure sat but there are some sat/indi hybrids that have a largely sativa high yet are easy to grow. Sativa Spirit is a sat dom hybrid that is meant to have a great sat high but is easy to grow. Although it's meant to be quite lanky, so would require training if height is limited.



I don't know how easy this one is to grow but Sugar Babe is meant to be a mostly indica strain that has an indica growth pattern but yet has an energetic, uplifting high.

If its your first grow mate then pick an indica dominated plant is my opinion, especially with your height restriction

Its alright folk telling you to grow this and grow that, and its an easy one to grow, but have they grown it themselves and have got first hand experience

My advice is to look through grow diaries and make your mind up through that

Whats easy for some may not be easy for others due to a lot of different factors

You then know what you are reading is right and not just surmised

Owd

I can vouch for Flying Dutchmen's 'The Pure' too, on my second grow at the moment. First time with seeds I had great germination success and 3 out of 4 were females! The flowering stretch is really minimal so you can veg longer for a strong and healthy plant, the packet says 8 weeks but I left mine for 9 and to be honest it could of gone to 10 for a more couchlock stone.

My second and current grow has been from cuttings taken from the seed plants, not a problem with them at all besides slow rooting - but I think that was because of my cold temps. In both grows I havent had any problems with feeding and deficiencies, Ive been growing in bio bizz all mix with their grow and bloom nutes.

Although I have no comparison to other seeds I'd vote for these, great value seeds that won't let you down.

Owd, I purposefully worded what I wrote to show that I hadn't grown either of these strains. It was a suggestion on strains that he could investigate further into on here, before making a decision. I figured that he was reasonably intelligent and would do further investigation before deciding what was suitable.

What makes you think he was talking to you what Owd said is good advice all round.

He wasn't talking to me, he was just refering to one of my points whilst talking to Chillwinston. If you must know, he questioned whether the advice on ease of growth had been tested first hand. I was the only one who mentioned ease of growth.




His advice doesn't really contradict mine, I'm not questioning his advice. My point was that he seemed to be questioning whether my advice was coming from experience, when I had already tried to make it clear that I hadn't tried the strains. Both Owd and I agree that he should investigate further upon reading suggestions, before making a decision.

White Widow

Genetics: Indian/Brasilian
Variety: Mostly Sativa
Type: Stabilised Hybrid
Harvest Date: End of October
Flowering Period: 8 weeks
THC Content: 15-20%
No. of Seeds per Packet: 10
Characteristics: Plants white with crystals.

This strain appeard in Holland at the beginning of the 1990’s and quickly became a hit in all the coffee shops and not long after around the globe. It is a potent cross of a Brasilian and an Indian sativa. Its name stems from its immense crystal production that makes it shine and glimmer.

White Widow can be grown both indoors and outdoors finishing indoors in around 8 weeks and outdoors in late October. This is a great strain for wannabe breeders but will also suit those that enjoy an easy to grow strain with a very strong sativa effect.

Was I

I wasnt really aiming it at anything or anyone but its always best to take advice about a particular strain from folk that have grown it imo

I see folk on here giving advice especially to newbies on what to grow and what not to grow but they have no experience themselves, which can cause problems in itself. Thats why i advised to look at grow diaries

There you can witness for yourself how a certain strain performs. You then know its real

But while we are here I have noticed that just lately, Gunnaknow does give a lot of advice out about which seeds to grow and where to get them, yet doesnt grow himself which i find a bit confusing

Theres nothing wrong with trying to help anyone but surely a bit of experience, especially when advising others on which strain is a must

Maybe others think different, i dunno

Maybe you ought to change your name mate to Gunnagrow (one day)

No good just copying and pasting info on a strain written by breeders as normally it DOESNT do what it says on the tin as many including myself have found out

They are'nt going to make out its shit now are they

Take the last bit of the underlined cut and paste.....Dont know about anyone else but any white widow ive had is totally opposite to that and is a strong couchlock stone, or body stone,

That makes it sound like a soaring sativa which it is not

Owd

But do I not really grow?? I'm not going to say that I grow, even if I do because I don't trust internet security. I'll leave it for you to decide whether I was just using caution when I said that I don't grow.



I never said that any of the strains mentioned were a must. Infact, after mentioning nep jam and bhanga haze, I suggested that he think twice before trying anything like that or other pure sats as a beginner.



See above. I wouldn't ever openly admit to growing on here. For the record, I don't grow. Or do I??



WW isn't shit, that I can guarantee! I've had WW on several occasions in the past and it was never that consistant but on average it didn't make me feel couch locked. If anything it made me feel more active and chatty. This is very subjective, however because I have chronic fatigue syndrome and some strains that make others want to chill actually decrease my sense of fatigue. Whether WW is what Chillwinston is after, I can't say. Do you really think that I'm suggesting that he go ahead and buy it? No, I'm suggesting that he might want to investigate further on here, for himself.

I think we've bored the pants off of everyone else for long enough. Shall we let the thread get back on track now? I think you'll be in agreement for that as a mod. Sorry Chillwinston, we'll get your thread back on track now.

Read again what i said, i said experience not the strain



I dont think ive bored anyone, i cant speak for you though



Ok

If i was that para i wouldnt even visit a cannabis site, never mind be actively giving info out, bit lame that one



Totally, but sometimes threads do go off at a tangent

Owd

Oh brother.

Back to the original post, I would recommend either Durban Poison, an early finish sativa with controllable growth almost indica growth pattern, very forgiving, or Skunk1 also great for newbies as it can take a bit abuse as well.

I know that durban can be grown indoors aswel as out but is it just as easy to grow indoors as out? If so then that would be one easy to grow sativa. If you've experienced an indica growth pattern, that sounds like the inpure durban poison that some seed companies sell. Although if it maintains it's sativa high then that wouldn't really matter. Anyone here grown it indoors?

Yeah I have, that's why I suggested it, I'm sure the ones I grew were from seedsman or reeferman but they were so forgiving for a newbie, about 50% stretch so 2 ft into flower end up as 3fters and quick to show nutrient problems without damage, they recover well from abuse.

In all a perfect newbie strain.

Cool, what was the high like? I wonder if the increased indica growth pattern was also reflected in the high, or whether it retained it's sativa high.

Wow, right guys, great. Of course everybody is going to have differnt advice, its good to get a broader opinion on things. Will deffinitely be doing a bit of research, Im gettin a couple of books and shall be reading up and going through the grow diaries. Got a few strains to look into, and at the end of the day gotta just go for it and see. If it was all too easy there wouldnt be any fun in it.

Got a while before I can plant seed anyways, really good to hear from peeps on their differnt opinions. Was lookin at the old esoteric hydroponics but yeah they are pricy, possibly looking at making my own hyroponic system cheaper alternative. I think that the most important thing is to try and do it properly. S.A.G.E and Silver Haze were a couple of strains I was also interestred in. But sounds like a sativa domminat or pure sativa aint a great idea, well for a first grow anyway.

Probably good to gain experience first before goin for the more tricky, delicate strains.

As always any advice is appriciated.

Cheers all.

Thinking about making a couple of bubble buckets mate?

My first grow was 2 years ago, and even though I had skimmed through 2 books and spent six months reading up on 420, I still made lots of silly mistakes. I think it would be unwise to spend too much money on your first seeds.

I would still recommend the first seeds I grew and they were Paradises' Magic Bud. They were very strong and hardy, easy to grow, not too tall and used hardly any nutes. Through all my silly mistakes I ended up with one cream of the crop nominated plant, and under a 250 I got over 3 ounces of solid bud for my first effort, which I was more than happy with.

It was a lovely smoke, more sativa but with a nice relaxing come down. A fair few people grew it since I did and were all happy with it, do a search and you'll see.

Happy Growing whatever, whenever you make that decision

Right been looking through pages and pages of seeds&strains, good to hear what people have tried especially as a first time grow. Been lookin at soma seed's, quite liked the look of reclinig budda and one or two others, but quite pricy seeds. Otherwise Im likeing the idea of AK47 nice and short, Nepalese Jam, or Skunk#1.

The more I look the more Indica dom theyre getting.

Obviously dont want to choose a strain that makes it too difficult, getting crap results (if any), and all of the ones you guys have suggested look top-notch. Good smokin.

Personally, I don't like giving advice which I have not tried and tested myself.

I agree. "The Pure" and the various banks' "Skunk No.1" is a good plant for a newbie. Hell, it's a good plant, full stop.
But it really should not be giving "couchlock" stone. That it does so after a 10 week 12/12 period is very disheartening really, it shows just how the seedbanks are less than honest when they say that they are selling a 75% sativa, identical to that bred in the seventies.
Fact is, that Skunk No.1 should take at least 10 weeks, maybe a few more. And "couchlock" should not be a word to use about it. That it now finishes in 10 weeks and leaves a "Couchlock" stone, is indicative of the way that the balance of the genetics has been shifted towards the Indica side.
Rather than 75% Sativa and 25% Indica, it would appear nowadays to be 50/50, or even 75% Indica and 25% Sativa.
Still a good strain for a newbie, though.

my advise would be to grow super skunk from sensi seeds i have grow it before its very easy but great yield and a good even head and body