hello again.

I have spotted a few suspect leaves on one plant, which have gone like this more or less overnight.
At first i thought spidermites because i had a couple of plants with mites which i binned, and the others have been sprayed with Westlands bug attack a week ago, and SBPI 2 days ago... so any spidermites should be well and truly gone.
I looked thru a magnifier at the underside- couldnt see any mites BUT i could see loads of tiny micro "balls", whihc initially made me shit myself cause i thought it was spider mite eggs- but surely not after a dose of westlands AND sbpi? thought sbpi killed the eggs? and surely the eggs wouldnt have this effect on the top of the leaf?
(im sure ive seen tiny wee ball tings like this on "normal" healthy plants without having any dodgy looking leaf tissue.

SO... is it a fungal thing? or am i completely wrong about all of the above spider mite stuff? are the wee balls fungal spores or sumthn ?

And what should i do? i was feeling happy again after dealing with the spidermites. or at least thinking i had dealt with it.
should i remove the leaves that have it ?

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aright sc,looks like rusty spots from ere,ur enviroment ok?...decent temps n air exchange ect?

i believe its easier for funghal spores to land if air circulation aint good?!...just a thought.

hi man,

yeah temps are ok- 27/28 lights on , 20ish lights off.
haven't got extraction at the minute- using it in the flowering drobe. I know i need to get one, but didnt hitnk it would be solely responsible for this.
i have 3 of the 4 vents open, and a 9" osc fan. plenty fresh air in the room with window open most of the time.

SBPI doesn't kill the eggs ...

You need several treatments spread out over a couple of weeks to be sure of treating the plants effectively.


Laz

ok , cool. Had read another thread previously where someone commented that SBPI does kill the eggs. haha , ok.

i wouldve thought a spray of westlands with a follow up of sbpi woulda been ok, i was fairly generous with the spraying.
So u reckon these wee tiny white balls are eggs then? and not fungal spores or anything like that ?

EDIT: (btw- the tiny white balls are only visible under the magnifier, and even then they are still tiny)

you need extraction .looks like both

Westlands bug attack is systemic ,so eggs will hatch ,eat leaf die with no time to lay new eggs
i think

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ok, well i definitely knew that. quote "I know i need to get one".

anything else to add about the stuff that i dont know?

ahh- i see u have added something constructive. cheers!

so these are eggs then? Is it the eggs that are responsible for the spots on the leaf?
so if ive used westlands i just need to wait till these have hatched so they can munch then die?
that scares me to horrible pieces, i hate spiders or anything crawl-ey like that.

EDIT- sorry, splling mitskaes

you need extraction .looks like both

Westlands bug attack is systemic ,so eggs will hatch ,eat leaf die with no time to lay new eggs
i think

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so i can just let these hatch?
more likely ill go n chop the feckers off right now !

oh sweet jesus

they cant last long

but i do think you need a fan ,
some of the spots on the leaves are follow the veins ,which is how fungus can start

okey doke, cheers ! ive removed a few leaves, the worst looking ones, and i'll keep an eye on things.
I'm half tempted to spray with westlands again but i dont really like using it too much, and it means i have to keep it in veg for a while longer than i was wanting to, as people reccomend not using if theyve got less than 10-12 weeks to go. Its only a 9 week bloomer so i'd have to keep her veggin for another 3 weeks if using the westlands again. suppose that isnt too bad, but cant have her too big, not enuf space.

Gonna try n get an extraction fan 2moro.

Just use SB twice a week for 2-3 weeks - regardless of when you want to flower...

after that - if you've done it thoroughly - what ever else you have it won't be spider mite...


Laz

muchas gracias amigo.

im also going to get some cana Trichoderma at some point soon to try and stop/prevent any fungal scenarios. (If i do have both problems as suggested earlier.)

Problem is, (obviously this is all a learning curve, hopefully ensuring a smoother process for future grows), if im gona be spraying twice a week with SBPI, and spraying with trichoderm, should i do this on alternate nights with a few days in between here or there? or is the trichoderm a one-time application? ive heard its best to spray the plant with a diluted mix, and to sprinkle a small amount into the soil when re-potting.?

When i started this all i thought was really required was nutes and compost. Naive i admit. As i said, its a learning curve which i'm enjoying, i just hope i can get a grip of these problems to prevent them from re-appearing in later crops. I take it its best to take preventative measures against both spider mites and fungal? I.e at an early stage before any symptoms arise ? Alot of growers seem to use these products (SBPI, trichoderm, neem etc) as standard which seems like a good idea rather than frantically trying to control something when its already too late.

hi
you cant use SBPI and trichoderm together ,SBPI has a fungicide in it
get rid of pests first then use
best way of preventing fungal probs is good air flow

hmmm, ok then. So i cant use SBPI at all after ive used trichoderm? (if the SBPI is going to attack the fungi in the trichoderm?)
How do people normally deal with this then? ( and dont tell me by having a ext fan/ good air flow- I KNOW THAT!!!)

surely people come accross fungal issues after, or at the same time as mites? i cant be the only one.
what about neem repel and trichoderm ?

i have/had both , you need to get rid of the mite then deal with the fungus i would think,

personally i just got rid of mite and left LSF as i only had a few weeks to go, the lsf is not really getting any worse for me tho so i was lucky

i'll have a clean up and spray the next batch in veg, hopefully this will work for me,

good luck mate

cheers for yer input SG.

So what happens if you have got rid of the mites, then treat the fungal with (for example- Trichoderm!), and then u get mites again? You use the SBPI again and therefore kill the trichoderm back off!?

(fan is on its way)

i'd be asking how the mites are getting in in the first place, are you quarantining any new additions ,is the growroom spotless ?
i see from a search of your topics you're in a drobe with donated clones & possibly need better airflow .
and are u still using west+ ? might be that, it fooked a few clones when i used it (is yours brand new or been stored in a shed/garage for a bit ?)
if you get chance , filling out your profile may help

Hi

Yeah the mites came in to my tent- with 2 clones i accepted from a friend. Those 2 plants were immediately binned, and i am not accepting any more clones/plants from anyone until i have this problem under control. My extraction fan has been ordered, so hopefully thats gonna help things.
And yes, still using Weslands+, its just stored in a cupboard in my house.

I only have one envirolight in my tent, hence why i wasn't initially in a rush to get an extractor fan.

EDIT: I'd still like to hear how people suggest using SBPI/neem oil etc alongside trichoderma ?