just had words with a good fella here about the pro's n con's of using the two products together?...is there a definative answer to this question yet?...can we use them both together??

come on chappies?..

Heya Biz , certainly can mate infact i believe Webbys granules has both in its makeup along with other beneficial bacteria .
edit to make sence

Aaaaah sherrif!...dude what is this legendary 'webbys' thing i keep hearing about?...folks seam to be getting hold of it somehow?!...then i hear of the recipe knockin about?....tell me please?..

there appears to be two kinds of rootgrow?..onefor bosai and one for it says 'roots'?!...like different colour packets n stuff,which one should i be lookin at buying?

there you go bizz rootgrow
the red flower is the small pack...75g, the green leaf pack is the same but bigger pack...360g, this is the one Felix told me to get.
dunno about the others haven't used them.

mate that is spanking!....good'o..

think il order it naah...no time like the present eh?...and iv not seen that in any hydro shops around here.

look on their home page and it tells you where they sell it
here

The info is here posted at uk420 so many times that I find it hard to believe this question is being asked, as they have been asked and answered so many times.

Trichoderma, as in cannas product, is one type of predatory fungi.

Rootgrow contains only mycorrhizae fungi.

Both these do totally different jobs.

Webby is a member he sells several types of fungal and microbial products, as has been posted at least 50 times, PM him for prices and a list of what he sells. For soil his "Essential" is granular biological inoculant for adding to both compost and soil to populate it with best mix of micro life. It contains a complete blend of plant-friendly micro-organism spores in the correct balance to create the healthiest bioactive conditions in the root zone, which gives the most vigorous plant growth possible. RootMagic Essential also contains plant derived biostimulants and active extracted plant saponins, these promote biological activity, and stimulate both plant root development and the soil micro life.

RootMagic Essential contains spores of both endo and ecto mycorrhizae, Trichoderma, Pseudomonas, Azotobacter, B Subtilis, B Megaterium and Rhizobia as the main population group.

...that looks like ANOTHER canna related drive im makin tmrw morning then?......get that fuckin arsenal built up n ready for this new cheesy tastic ness.......cheers bro.

Ooooops sorry OT1,didnt wanna piss anyoneoff like..,but thanks loads for the info,i will pm webby and find out the crack.

Well for a start, none of the products will work well in hydro except trichoderma, even then not well, so god knows why the q is asked in the hydro section.

Not pissed off, but I've seen you post in topics, where the topic of webby has come up and been answered, I sometimes wonder if people actually read the topics they post in is all.

wots an oldtimer 1 ... ...

A Grumpy old git!

... wise grumpy old git ..

then again i apolagise,i guessed the addatives/nutes section was an ok one!.

all i wanted was a quick yes or no.soooorrry.

....well at least he admits it!!....fnar fnar old man..

i can highly recommend a new strain called Smile, smoking it now in fact, cheer you right up m8

put on a happy face..hurrahh,put on that smiley face.. ....

Art is pretty good IMHO. I art grumpy

There was no simple answer

....hahahahah...,its been answered lads just lets leave it at that shall we,come on break it up,we'll be avin no bad vibes in a post of mine!!

albeit a wrongly placed one!..



ok ok i can spell,honist!!!..

Sorry to intrude! Been searchin the threads for rootgrow/rockdust/trichoderm info.

I am planning on adding trichoderma and rootgrow to my next grow (using westlands+)..

My query is- if using these products, if at any time throughout the grow you had to use SBPI for a spider mite problem, would the SBPI kill off the funghi in bothe the Trichoderma and the RootGrow ?

Also, is the Trichoderm and the Rootgrow just sprinkled into the soil ? Should Rockdust be added too? I cant seem to find this anywhere.
My apologies for the noobish questions, i have been reading around plenty! but the search function aint helpin much tonight.

SBPI would kill any beneficial microorganisms living on the leaves but wouldn't affect any beneficial fungi living on the roots.



RootGrow goes on the roots, as the spores need to come in contact with the roots within two weeks it makes sense to place the granules as close to the roots as possible. Ideally sprinkle on to the roots directly or pour some into the planting hole when potting up. Trichoderma can be applied to both roots and leaves but should be sprayed on to the leaves in chlorine free water at low pressure.

Thanks Felix, much appreciated.
Any idea where to get Rockdust? Or is not really needed if using Trichoderma and Rootgrow?

There are many places that do Rockdust a quick visit to Google should soon put you in touch with a seller. Rockdust works better when using RootGrow, I'd go so far as to say it's not worth using Rockdust unless you are using some kind of mycorrhizal innoculant.

Your reasoning for this?

I just ordered rockdust there google Pinetum rock dust £25 for 24Kg a think i just payed it was like 5 min ago to great memory i've got

Normally when rock dust is used as a soil improver its looked upon as a long term sort of thing. Plants grown in that soil will see the benifits as the rock dust breaks down over time and releases its constiuent goodies. Growin in a pot for a few months wont allow this to happen. The addition of good bacteria and funghi can spped this up. The micro fauna can break down and absorb what cannot be absorbed directly by the plant.

Excellent info, cheers !

Is the rootgrow funghi the same as the "funky funghi" stuff u can buy online? Think they both contain mycorrhizal funghi ?

Nope RootGrow is way way cheaper, other than that they probably contain similar species

And here it comes wait for wait wait and.... [muffled fart] yes.... I think I may now have a basic redmedial understanding of what exactly this stuff actually does for roots and how it kinda goes about doing it.. Thanks guys...

cheers again Felix, Rootgrow it is !

How much (trichoderma and rootgrow) do i sprinkle into the compost? For example, potting up from 1l to 3.5l ?
Doesnt seem to be any dosage instructions on the trichoderm i have, only for foliar spraying.

Muchas gracias!

And Podgy will now explain to the class the important role Vascular Arbuscular Mycorrhizas have to play in the rhizosphere ................................. , sorry man not taking the piss was just an image that sprung to mind.



A very small amount, that powder is 99% inert packing material and you really only need a few spores to make contact with the roots, I'd recommend dusting a small amount directly onto the roots as the most economical method of application. You could use a small artists paint brush if you are not happy tipping a small amount out of the pot directly onto the roots.

As for applying RootGrow I now tip a plant out of it's pot and just before placing it in the new one I flip it over on it's side and sprinkle RootGrow directly onto the exposed roots whilst turning the rootball slowly around. Does help if the plant is reasonably small when doing this.

Hmmm, well i didn't quite realise this so thanks. I am currently using Rockdust in my current grow and the roots are mental, but next time i will definately be using it along side trichoderma.

seams to be a wonderfull topic this funghi one eh...

Did i say something funny?

no no sorry nausicca,not at all bro!!...i thought i read something and then when i re read it it had magicly gone like the wind!!.....

No I think someone's just bored

I thought you could just water Trichoderma into the compost, is that wrong then? Does it need to come in contact with roots basically right away?

As for the Rootgrow i usually just sprinkle some in the bottom then when filling around the rootball i just mix a little through the compost is this ok?

Oh and the Rockdust how much roughly would you have in a 6L pot?

Sorry to hit out with all these its just i'm potting up in a couple of days and i've just ordered the lot there

come on now stop it you...

I put one big scoop of rootgrow in the planting hole when i pot up into their first proper pots, maybe overdoing it a bit?

I seen the funky fungi for sale (b.a.c) at 25quid for a tiny little pot, what a rip off!

Trichoderma have no effect on rock dust. They populated and protect the roots.

How effective rockdust is in compost depends on the compost, as felix says you need a micro heard to break it down, so JI and composts that contain JI or loam will work quite well without adding inoculants, but dead composts like all peat MP's are pretty devoid of any micro heard, adding rootgrow with peat composts that lack the bacterial beasties found in composts that contain soil/loam only benefit from rootgrow + rock dust because the rockdust helps keep the mycorrhizals alive a little, to work really well you need bacteria as well, as they are the main agent that break the rockdust down and releases its minerals, mycorrhizals only play a tiny part in that task.

Ah ok i understand it better now. My compost has JI so i guess my plants are using at least a bit of the rockdust i added.

Very interesting thread this is turning out to be

Do garden centers typically sell Rootgrow and Rockdust?

That maybe possible but I wouldn't know how much the compost acts like a filter and may stop any trichoderma spores from reaching the roots. As the spores are tiny they may well be washed through the compost and come into contact with the roots. My personal technique is to dust the roots at pot up time



That's fine



A small handfull ?

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Yes to the first and no to the second question.

Some garden centres sell Rootgrow, check their website for suppliers near you, as for the rockdust, i've never seen it at a garden centre.

Is it worth adding Rock Dust and Calcified Seaweed to All mix?

Yes.