anyone tried heavy duty fruity ? cant decide between hdf or sweet tooth #3 any opinions would be good

An old thread, but I thought I may as well post. I've bought some HDF's and only 3 seeds have cracked and it looks like even those've given up. They had the exact same conditions as Nep Jam x Orient Express which are all going better than I could've hoped.

I really don't understand whats happened - I thought THSeeds were meant to be one of the better types. Anyone else grown HDF's from seed, if so can you post your experiences please?

I think I will probably feedback to THSeeds (or Joolz here) just to see if there are any specific reasons or if somehow I have had not taken something into consideration?

EDIT - I haven't written them off yet, I know thicker and older seed scan take a lot longer before they spring to life so I'll stick with them for a couple of weeks, although it is day 7 right now.

hey ive grown some th seeds hdf a while back.i only germed half a pack and got 2 males and 3 female mutants.

i kept the best mutant and let it grow and it did pretty well had very dense buds good bag appeal very resinous good fruity aroma and flavour yielded pretty well also but built up a tolerence to it quite quickly.still have 5 more left to try,i'll see if i do any better next time.

on another note i've noted on a few various sites where people were questioning how reliable th seeds are because of reports of poor germanation rates,bad male to female ratios and even lots of mutants.

maybe there right i also germed 5 thseeds bubblegum seeds last year and got 2 female and 3 mutants,

Interesting... for such a high price you would hope for better, eh? I've seen one of these seeds start to move some soil but I'm not impressed. I think they must keep seeds for a long time or something?

I wonder what other experiences people have had?

Oh, btw - what was the end result like to smoke? did it taste good enough that you didnt mind the inital effort or would you not use THSeeds again as a result?

Cheers for your response, very helpfull

I recently grew out some HDF from THseeds and I really couldnt complain. There was one peculiarity to them- they were incredibly slow starters. I had some white widow with them and after about 2 weeks from germination the plants were little runts compared to the widows however about 3 weeks in, they exploded in size and became huge. I am going to do a HDF grow diary ina few weeks when things get set up proper. People have a lot of questions about this strain so maybe that can clear things up a bit and hopefully I can get the right pheno (I've read the best pheno was a bit purplish)

Aha! Some confidence restored

I'll look out for the purply phenotypes if I'm lucky enough to get 'em, thanks

Cheers - I've done a little digging and found the seeds have, for the most part not budged.

1 is growing. 2 were possibly going to grow (slightly cracked) and the rest are still as they were when I took them from the packet. Not ideal for the cash, but it could be that they've been stored and havent aged well? I don't know

Good luck with yours anyway - hopefully the HDF will flourish all of a sudden like they're meant to. 30% female ration doesn't bode well for me with a single plant by the looks of things eeek!

recently had experience with thseeds HDF. i found it to become very tall, it produced light purple calyxs. the buds were not tight and the scent was unexceptional. i was personally not fussed with the strain as i found it to be not heavy duty or fruity, the finished product had an earthy taste and average high/potency.
This is only my findings from 1 pack of seed, hopefully others may have better luck.

i just finished some,hdf, was a good'ish smoke,,butt i did not gett alot,,like savage said not that fruity,but good enough,,hadd lotts of crsytals,,i give it 5out10,

i got some of these seeds i think i will be putting them at the back of the Que now since i read this thread they don't sound to promising

redgrotto, savage, dellsbell: what kind of mediums did you grow in and under what types of lights?

I'm definitely gonna be good on my word & do a grow diary as I've yet to see one finish out (unless I get 7 males out of the 7 seeds I have ).

My plant (I germed 3, one seedling died, one was a male) was tall as well but figured it was because I vegged under an HPS which doesn't produce the most compact plants.

dantawn,
hdf was grown in compost, flowered under growlux hps. other strains alongside out performed it by far.
it could easily have gone 10 weeks+ but came out after 65days as everything else was done and it didnt seem to warrant the extra effort.

i done mine in a eco system,,think i fuck up thou,had to move machine half way thou ,me mate got over a key out his eco with hdf,,,supposed to be a big producer,,so if you were in buckitts like hydrovator kitt, think it would do very well,,sure it went 9 weeks as well,,what system you got????

Well have to say I'm very sorry to here that the HDF isnt producing.

Really sux to here that such a hyped up strain with such a good description from the breeder(TH) is not living up to its name.

Best of luck to everyone and hope all goes well with the rest of your grows

I have another packet so I'll give this another go soon, I think its different grow rate means it should be done on it's own without other strains - but its a shame to hear that its easy to build up a quick tolerance to.

Oh well, you live and learn

thanks for the link to the thread redgrotto, much appreciated

Hey all,

I grew out HDF from TH Seeds in 2001, and was quite pleased with the results back then. Unfortunately, my grow was small (due mainly to paronoya), and I only germed a couple of beans.. but out of those two I got a male, and a nice female which I vegged until it was quite big before I flowered it. I found it easy to grow, and very vigerous, although the smoke it produced was not that potent or great tasting (a little like smoking burnt rubber!). It was however my best yeilder to date, and produced some very fat and long colas, which kept me happy for a while , despite having a quite serious infestation of mites!

Since then, I've seen quite a few reports posted about HDF, with most having mixed results :- it seems that there is quite a range of phenos in the THS version, and the majority are only so-so (a few are complete scwag), although most do seem to be average-heavy yielders. There is however rumoured to be a super-potent and heavy yeilding pheno, but it's hard to find, and requires looking through multiple packs if you want to find it.

My advice would be to take clones of all the females, and run them at least twice (this goes for any strain) to be sure that you are not missing out on a good pheno. I nearly always find that a second run is better, as you will know the strain better, and having a well dialled in strain can make the diference between finding or missing a great pheno.

Hope this helps,
ng

Thanks neongreen, I've read elsewhere about the sought after purply pheno which is meant to be something you just know you have, if you have it. Knowing my luck, the next ten seeds will have one but it will be male

I'm half tempted to try and swap them for something else... I'd love some cheese - I may see if I can convince a friend of mine to part with some in exhange. NYC diesel and Jack Herer are a couple of others I'd like to try growing too, it would be good to find out if I could match the types I've tried.

I can see an obsession starting you know (eek). Anyway, thanks again NG

You're welcome theory,

I also have been trying to get a cut of the Cheese.. thought I had it last year, but was dissapointed with the results, so I let it go. In retrospect, I can't be sure that it wasn't the real deal since my grow was suffering from problems @ the time!

Heard great things about the Jack Herer.. almost ended up getting a pack, but went for the Mothers Finest in the end. Yet to grow that out!

If I were you, I'd check out Rez Dog's diesel, rather than Soma's version, which I hear is not quite as good.. though I have yet to try either myself.

BTW - I actually grew out the HDF in 2003, not 2001.. must have been thinking of Medicine Man's grow/thread on Overgrow, which IIRC was started in 2001. Shame it's gone now - there was alot of great info in that thread!
Perhaps it's still retrievable from Google's cashe ?!

ng

Im sorry to hear everyone's bad reports about the HDF. I took a look at Red Grotto's mid-term report and I've been watching Theory's diary, both of which look to be coming along nicely. Consistancy is one of the important attributes of a strain so perhaps hdf is simply an over-hyped erratic producer of a sometimes good smoke, sometimes not. Best of luck to everyone's grows, hopefully the end product doesnt make us feel like we burnt a hundred bucks on some average smoke. -D

Cheers fella's, I'll see what happens with the Nep Jam I have going and then will decide whether to go the HDF route or not... I think I'd regret it now if I didn't find out for myself. I was chatting to another lad I know, who has had some excellent grows and he said he grew HDF and found it was too powerful for social smoking so it may be ok after all. I'm certainly intrigued anyway. The crazy thing is he grew some hawaiin skunk which almost KO'd me and that's pretty normal by his standards

Funny how different these reports can be!

With HDF it seems that everyone is looking for the "purple pheno". Now I don't know a lot about growing, but been doing some heavy reading. My guess is that the pheno that everyone is looking for is the Hawaiian pheno in HDF. HDF is a 3 way cross of Seattle Big Bud x Killing Garberville x Mendocino Hashplant. Since it is a 3 way cross, there will be a lot of variability when you plant your seeds. Since there are 3 parents in this cross and take into account that 50% will be male...that maybe one out of the packet of 10 seeds may display that pheno if you are lucky. A lot of Hawaiian strains will turn purple as well as some Afghans and Skunks. I have read that Killin Garberville is an Afghan x Hawaiian cross of some sort maybe like Hawaiian Indica. If you were looking for the purple pheno, then maybe you could backcross the HDF with an Afghan/Hawaiian or Hawaiian Indica for that pheno with very large bracts and purple color? There are many Hawaiian crosses out there like Sensi's Hawaiian Indica, BC Bud Depot's Killin Garberville, Mr. Nice's Spice,TFD's The Real McCoy, Federation's Hawaiian Sativa, and/or TH's Puna Budder. To get the purple pheno you could cross it with most any afghan/skunks as they tend to turn purple with colder weather. Maybe HDF x NYC Diesel? Or HDF x Bubblegum? Or HDF x Blueberry as it will give you more fruity flavor/high yield/and purple color? Well doing it this way will give you a ton of variation, but you will have an enormous amount of seed. So then you could just plant/sow away until you find that magical mother! As I said before, I have no growing experience(I hope to soon), so it's just a thought......Maybe later down the road I could try these combos out.

You have me salivating DG

The idea of a hawaiin pheno in HDF would add up to me too, no idea if your inofrmation is correct or not but it certainly would make sense. That stuff blew me away harder than anything else (barring budder hash) when I tried it.