hi brothers and sisters

i ordered sum bb blue cheese fems from a well known web head shop and they sent me the barneys version so i wont be able to start my next grow til next week now but they sent me some swiss outdoor mix seeds ind/sati

are these anygood r they worth growing aswell?

peace

i got the same seeds and even though i havent grown them one of my friends got the same ones as well and he did try them and there were low yield, typical sativa plants with average high. outdoors they are fine, but i wouldnt bother growing them indoors like my friend did

yeah just looking at them they look mega hard

thanks peeps

I've got two in pots outside, both sativa dominant and about 4/5 weeks into flower. They are beating my paid-for early flowering strains. They have been easy to grow and hardy, as promised on the pack.

One of them has interesting leaves, lime green with a small extra serration along each main serration (like a saw tooth), and bright pink pistils. The edges of the leaves turn up. Never seen this before.

Worth planting outdoors.

If the're mega hard, either precrack them gently or scuff up the outside with sandpaper. Swiss mix will definately be for growing outdoors. One for next year then. Store them in the fridge or freezer until then but store them in a dessicant for a few days before freezing. The outdoor swiss strains are hardy and cold resistant but the're not really bred for max potency. The seeds are generally used to grow plants for making essential oil, pout pourri and crude medicinal buds for the pharmacies. The high altitude of the alps improves the potency considerably through the increase in UV radiation. They would be useful for outcrossing with more potent strains to increase their hardiness.

Here are a couple of pictures from last week.

Anyone seen this leaf edge pattern before?

Dogstart, I think that's a swiss strain that Valchanvre call Red Valais. Alot of the Swiss farmers use the same stock, so it's likely to be of similar stock. They use the stock that offer the best hardiness and that produce the most essential oils, with the best fragrance profiles. They use Red Valais because it adds a unique fragrance when blending the oils. I once bought some essential oil from Valchanvre and you could tell that there was some of the red in the blend because it had that unique smell that you only ever get with red/purple strains.

By the way, a few years ago my ex dealer used to get a regular supply of buds from Switzerland and they were pretty dank for commercial buds. They were very crystally and they had a very weird but trancy smell, abit like Voodoo from DP. They weren't manicured that well and were quite flaky, with the odd seed. Which indicated that it was grown outdoors on a large scale. Probably bought under the table from a legit, swiss hemp farmer. That weed had a very unique, memorable smell, I would recognize it instantly if I smelt it again. This uniqueness really does suggest that it was from the stock that farmers use for essential oil production, as they deliberately use stock with unique fragrance profiles for this purpose.

If I had to guess, by the description I'd say that what I had was a Swiss strain called Walliser Queen.




There's a decent chance that this, aswel as Red Valais and Alp King are in your Swiss Mix.

Cheers gunnaknow, interesting that the Red Valais is selected for it's looks, as the plant I have is an eye-catcher. Only one of the 10 seeds germinated had these double-edge lime leaves and pink pistils. The end leaves have also started to darken now.

I've crossed mine with MNS Early Queen, so the offspring should be good for next years' outdoor crop.


edit: sorry to hijack your thread a bit there, New Grow.

I'd be interested to see some pics of that plant closer to harvest time, Dogstart. With it's long, double serrated leaves and vibrant colours it does fit the profile of a strain bred for ornamental values. A good chance that it's Red Valais then, or a direct cross of it.

I'd now put money on what I got from my ex dealer being Walliser Queen because it won the first ever Swiss Canna Cup in 98 and it was in 2002 that I had a regular supply of swiss buds from my ex dealer. It would have still been the best swiss strain around at the time after just four years. It would have taken a couple of years before all of the swiss farmers started growing the strain, through word of mouth and it would have taken that long before enough seed stock became available for everyone to use on such a production level.

All this, along with the fact that Walliser Queen is noted for having a very unique smell leads me to the conclusion that what I was smoking in 2002 was Walliser Queen. If it had been dried and manicured more professionally and hadn't contained any seeds or lose shake, I would have had to pay top dollar for it. The underlying quality was clearly there. No AK47 mind but nice.

no worries bro the more info the better looks like there going in the fridge til next year then il dash em in the garden and see what happens

peace me braddas

Ive had 2 sets of these free seeds too. The first 5 i put into jiffys in a heated prop, after a week none had popped so i binned them as my kc brains seeds had all popped. This time ive done another 5 into jiffys and left them. One popped after 5 days and another popped about 8 days. 3 more left but they dont look hopefull. Not sure whether to waste my time with them.

Soaking them in a weak solution of gibberellic acid can help. The reason that the seeds of some species germinate better after having been frozen is because it triggers the production of gibberellic acid inside them. If you type "grow gibberellic acid" into google, the top link listed sells it. It's very cheap but it's probably not worth the hassle if the only thing that you plan to use it for is a few freeby seeds. It's good stuff to have in the cupboard for emergencies though. Kelp extract also improves seed germination rates, due to all of the hormones and enzymes that it contains.

Here are a couple more of the same Swiss Mix earlier today. Gone quite purple now. I've seen this put down to cold weather, but it is mostly on the top of the leaf only at the moment.

Sorry about the dodgy macro, it was blowing in the wind so sharpened it.

It has very nice purple and white/silver striped calyxes, which look very pretty.

And I like the crinkly leaf edges.

Still not smoked any yet.

Which one is this, the same one that we suspected was Red Valais? It doesn't look like the same plant as before, although those serrated edges look ornamental like the last one.

Hi, Yes, this is the same plant! Possibly a different part of the plant though. The greener leaf is from a lower part of the plant. I think the pink pistil shown in the first group of photos is shown on the general shot in the second batch with the purple leaves.

I've got another Swiss one here, which is more leafy and without the distinct leaves and striped calyxes. I'll try and get some better shots tomorrow.

I've got some of these, gonna grow them outdoors next year.

I left a cutting out of some maple leaf for a week or so, was covered in pink pistils due to the cold weather recently. Looked sexy as hell.

Any more pics Dogstart?

i got some of these seeds, just about to try them indoors
they look really good in the pictures, hope i get a coloured one