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hadley
Hi

I have in the last few days put the girls in the gt901 tanks sitting in 4" rockwall cubes.

Things are now getting really bad as you can see from the pic,i believe that i have overferted the plants even though i was feedind at 0.8-1.0.

I have changed the water to a very mild nute soloutin about 0.4.

What to i have to do to clear the nute lockout and get them to start growing again?

Thanks

H
The Sheriff
Heya Hadley , look hungry to me mate , if there in 4" blocks then they certainly should be higher ec of 0.4 . How old are they ?
It would help no end to people if you could fill in youre profile mate , you will get more help for sure , good luck .
Psst , is that white widow ? by any chance ?

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jiffa
QUOTE(The Sheriff @ Sep 11 2008, 01:36 AM) *
Heya Hadley , look hungry to me mate , if there in 4" blocks then they certainly should be higher ec of 0.4 . How old are they ?
It would help no end to people if you could fill in youre profile mate , you will get more help for sure , good luck .
Psst , is that white widow ? by any chance ?

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yep they are hungry give them ec 1.0 and check 24hrs later for changes in the res
hadley
Thanks for the help but;

There are 3 different sativa strains in there guys,cheesewreck,chocolope and applejack.

I use a 50/50 mix of ro water and hard tap water.

I know for a fact that they have been overferted as there is burnt leaf tip edges and also there were ramshorn leaves.

What i need to know is how do i get them back on track?
DreadVik
QUOTE(hadley @ Sep 11 2008, 07:19 PM) *
I use a 50/50 mix of ro water and hard tap water.

I know for a fact that they have been overferted as there is burnt leaf tip edges and also there were ramshorn leaves.

What i need to know is how do i get them back on track?


Whats ro water? are you factoring into your feeding the original ec of your water solution combined.

I can't see evidence in your pics of overfeeding at all.

They look hungry to me and id go with the advice above and see if they perk up.

Whats the temps like in the room too?
hadley
QUOTE(DreadVik @ Sep 11 2008, 07:37 PM) *
QUOTE(hadley @ Sep 11 2008, 07:19 PM) *
I use a 50/50 mix of ro water and hard tap water.

I know for a fact that they have been overferted as there is burnt leaf tip edges and also there were ramshorn leaves.

What i need to know is how do i get them back on track?


Whats ro water? are you factoring into your feeding the original ec of your water solution combined.

I can't see evidence in your pics of overfeeding at all.

They look hungry to me and id go with the advice above and see if they perk up.

Whats the temps like in the room too?

Ro water is the purest water that you can use.
Trust me when i say they have been overfed
The temps are 26-30 day and around 20-22 night.

herman herb
Hello m8,

I had very similar probs with nft, The plants either took off and grew lovely or done as yours have.

I have a feeling it may be the rockwool cubes getting too wet and waterlogging the plant ?, Maybe try sitting the cubes on something like tile spacers (I've heard of people doing this ) and just let the roots get the water which will feed the plant but should just keep the cube damp.

See how wet your cubes are to see if this could be the problem.

The Sheriff
Heya ,
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I use a 50/50 mix of ro water and hard tap water.
ok then whats the base you're base ec ? im hard water "9.1" & with a 50/50 mix my ec would be above 0.4 from the off , i would also take the advice of herman too , personally i start my pump 15 on 45 off for the first week.
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What to i have to do to clear the nute lockout and get them to start growing again?
, flush with ph'ed water for 24hrs , if you want you're plants to green up , wait for more advice , as to me as i said they look hungry , good luck .
hadley
Hi

The base water of mixed ro/tap water is 0.2.

I was mixing up the nute solution to 1.0 which was way to high so it was me that made the mistake.

I may well flush with plain water for 24 hrs and see what happens.
DreadVik
QUOTE(herman herb @ Sep 11 2008, 08:21 PM) *
I have a feeling it may be the rockwool cubes getting too wet and waterlogging the plant ?, Maybe try sitting the cubes on something like tile spacers (I've heard of people doing this ) and just let the roots get the water which will feed the plant but should just keep the cube damp.

See how wet your cubes are to see if this could be the problem.


I third this too I can vaguely remember plants looking similar or refusing to grow from waterlogging, in my case I had been lucky with my previous room and it had been level or at least slanting in the right direction but my new room slopes the wrong way and I hadn't notice that the water was pooling on the tray rather than running across it like the film im used to. It's propped up now a little at the pump end and I have the pump turned down quite low at first and up it as the plants seem to be drinking more as it passes across the tray.
Hipgnosis
It looks like they've been uderfed earlier in their lives mate, they're lookin nice and green now tho. smile.gif

I think hermans probably right about whats causing yer droop,could be your pump timings tho
is it on all the time?

This comment is bollocks btw..
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flush with ph'ed water for 24hrs , if you want you're plants to green up

All that'll do is starve em mate, drop yer ec to 0.6-0.8 and see how they look in a day or 2..
Having a float thro some NFT diarys would be a good idea an all hadley, if ya haven't already. spliff.gif
The Sheriff
Heya , its only bollocks if you cut it in half like a politician and i only talk in riddles cause im welsh
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if you want you're plants to green up , wait for more advice
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Hipgnosis
Some of those plants look small to be on yer trays dude, are there plenty
of roots showin thro the blocks?

Sorry mate what i meant was, this comment is bollocks.. lol.gif
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flush with ph'ed water for 24hrs

The Sheriff
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hadley
I am now faced with 2 choices;
1 flush with plain water for 24 hrs.
2 use clearing solution for 24 hrs to remove excess nutes and ecourage the roots to grow.
hadley
They all had lots of long roots on em and they all looked healthly till i put them in the nft.
liltrita32
QUOTE(DreadVik @ Sep 11 2008, 09:56 PM) *
QUOTE(herman herb @ Sep 11 2008, 08:21 PM) *
I have a feeling it may be the rockwool cubes getting too wet and waterlogging the plant ?, Maybe try sitting the cubes on something like tile spacers (I've heard of people doing this ) and just let the roots get the water which will feed the plant but should just keep the cube damp.

See how wet your cubes are to see if this could be the problem.


I third this too I can vaguely remember plants looking similar or refusing to grow from waterlogging, in my case I had been lucky with my previous room and it had been level or at least slanting in the right direction but my new room slopes the wrong way and I hadn't notice that the water was pooling on the tray rather than running across it like the film im used to. It's propped up now a little at the pump end and I have the pump turned down quite low at first and up it as the plants seem to be drinking more as it passes across the tray.

I also agree on this, i had a hydro kit and the plants got rootbound and were soaking in water almost all day, they looked the same as yours, you need to get the roots some oxygen
hadley
This morning i decided to give them a plain water ph adjusted flush,during the day the ph kept rising up?

Does anyone know why the ph should go up when only using plain water?

I come back in tonight and some of the plants have started to pick up to my surprise.

I will keep you posted.

H
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