Indica Monkey
Jun 22 2008, 01:36 PM
Looking around this forum I haven't had much luck in finding many threads where people are growing in the DR60/DRS160 which I was hoping I would as I have recently purchased a DR60 myself and germinated some seeds inside it, so I have decided to take it upon myself to start up a thread dedicated the DR60 and getting the most out of one. To make this possible I'll need the help of other DR60 users which I'm sure there's gotta be a few, I can't see there being loads of us out there as these things are really quite small. This is why (I think) we all need to put our heads together and discuss what's working/not working for us.
The DR60 measures in at just 60x60x140cm, which would be brilliant for a 250w hps. I'm running a 150w hps in there as I don't smoke a massive amount of pot these days so don't need such a great yield, I'm hoping to grow some connoisseur grade cannabis in my tent rather than a ton of mediocre stuff. I also have a 70w mh on standby incase the 150w looks to be failing me, plus a few 18w cfl's and a fluoro tube. I imagine most DR60 users will be growing with enviro's or similar cfl's but I wanted to give them a miss as they don't seem to have the same whack as hid lighting.
The setup;
As I have already mentioned the main lighting for my tent is a 150w hps running a son-t-plus, with a few other options to bulk up the lighting should I need it. I am currently using the HPS to heat the tent with a fluoro tube over my seedlings to get them off the ground until they are ready for the HPS as a light source.
Ventilation is all down to an RVK125 coupled up with the budget carbon filter from Greens and accoustic ducting where I could fit it in. The ducting holes on the DR60 didn't look like they would allow me to install accoustic ducting though them so I opted for standard 125mm ducting on that end of the fan. The fan is running on a speed controller/thermostat contraption that I wired together thanks to the info from OT1. This setup runs silent on the lower speed when temps are in line (99% of the time) and very quiet when running at full speed, as the end of the ducting run is concealed next to my boiler you wouldn't think the noise suspicious anyway.
For the roots I have chosen to go the compost route rather than hydro for a couple of reasons, mainly for noise but also the taste issue. I know using just a 150w lamp and compost is not going to yield me a massive amount but as I've said before I'm not chasing a massive amount anyway. I have germinated the seeds in three inch pots filled with BioBizz lightmix, to be potted up into six inch pots filled with Westplus Advanced and then onto 11ltr pots to finish them off in. I will be feeding just BioBizz Grow and Bloom when the time comes. I know this is not totally organic as I'm using the westplus but for a first grow it's close enough and eventually I think I will move towards 100% organig growing, one step at a time though
The seedlings you can see here are Big Buddah Blue Cheese, I see that BB is not the most loved guy on this forum but lets hope his seeds live upto expectations
I would really apprciate it if other DR60/DRS60 users chimed in with their methods/experience that would really benefit me and the rest of us smalltime growers
OK that's enough rambling for now here's the photo's.
Indica Monkey
Jun 22 2008, 01:48 PM
lighting
Indica Monkey
Jun 22 2008, 01:50 PM
very snug fit for the carbon filter
Indica Monkey
Jun 22 2008, 01:52 PM
seedlings & extraction
robotroberts
Jun 22 2008, 01:58 PM
hey dude me mate grows in 1 of these darkroom the dr60 , normally 2/3 plants , and uses a 250hps , the only problems he encounted was the hight issue , but now he lst hes plants and get a good canopy of buds id recommend doing that 2 , or just 1 plant scrog gud luck mate
Indica Monkey
Jun 22 2008, 02:17 PM
QUOTE(robotroberts @ Jun 22 2008, 02:58 PM)

hey dude me mate grows in 1 of these darkroom the dr60 , normally 2/3 plants , and uses a 250hps , the only problems he encounted was the hight issue , but now he lst hes plants and get a good canopy of buds id recommend doing that 2 , or just 1 plant scrog gud luck mate
Thanks for the info robotroberts, I had considerd the height issue and I plan to train them using BigFatJ's super simple scrog method. He uses chopsticks or something similar taped to each corner of the pots with mesh on top of the sticks and then each pot has it's own screen. It very easy, cheap and looks to be very effective also - time will tell I suppose.
tony89
Jun 22 2008, 02:30 PM
QUOTE(Indica Monkey @ Jun 22 2008, 03:17 PM)

QUOTE(robotroberts @ Jun 22 2008, 02:58 PM)

hey dude me mate grows in 1 of these darkroom the dr60 , normally 2/3 plants , and uses a 250hps , the only problems he encounted was the hight issue , but now he lst hes plants and get a good canopy of buds id recommend doing that 2 , or just 1 plant scrog gud luck mate
Thanks for the info robotroberts, I had considerd the height issue and I plan to train them using BigFatJ's super simple scrog method. He uses chopsticks or something similar taped to each corner of the pots with mesh on top of the sticks and then each pot has it's own screen. It very easy, cheap and looks to be very effective also - time will tell I suppose.
thats a great steup how much cash didi that cost and have u grown befor
hudson
Jun 22 2008, 03:11 PM
Hey monkey,
I've got a drs60 with a 250w hps in a cooltube, 100mm RVK and carbon filter, using bio bizz all mix, bio grow and bloom. I'm on my first grow in this setup, i'm 6 weeks into flowering 3 white widows. I've got a diary of the grow if you want to check it out, the link's in my sig. I'm just after a decent personal stash too and i'm sure the setup will do that.
Good luck!
Indica Monkey
Jun 22 2008, 03:13 PM
Cheers Tony89, let's hope I can do the business with it!!
As for the cost, I dread to think. I guess I'm gonna upset myself writing this lot down and working it out, I'll probably have to spend more as time goes by too - beats buying grit weed and supporting murderers though
DR60 - £50, I got lucky with this as I ordered the DRS60 (cheaper version) but Greens had none in stock and because I had paid extra for Saturday delivery they sent me the DR60 as that would be the only day I would be around to open the door to the courier.
RVK125 - £60
125mm Accoustic ducting - £12 (£6/meter), I pad for two but recieved four.
125mm standard ducting - £12.50, a box containing 10meters
Budget 125mm Carbon Filter - £40
Speed controller - £12
Digital thermostat with probe - £30
150w hps/mh/cmh ballast - £30
150w son-t-plus - £10
Reflector - A freebie from my friends headshop, I saw it in the backroom and asked her what she wanted for it. She told me I could have it, she didn't want things like that in her shop.
Two foot fluoro tube fixture n tube - Found in my cellar when I moved into this house.
Easy Roll light hangers - £12 (2 pairs)
120w tube heater - £30
60x60cm tray and four 11ltr pots - £11
BioBizz lightmix - £10
Westplus Advanced - £7
Three inch pots - £1
BioBizz Grow - £9
BioBizz Grow - £9
Various wires, terminal blocks, pc fans, etc layin around the house.
I'm sure there's more I've forgotton, but that's the basics. So about £400 for this list.
Halfatree
Jun 22 2008, 04:43 PM

.. not the first time Greens done that.. I ordered a DR80 a while back and they sent me a DR100 either by mistake or cause the other was out of stock..
They are good tents.. but may need some work round the zips to prevent light likes...
Also one weak point seems to be the plastic corners.. I managed to break one, putting it down.. Greens were good as gold though and replaced it for me free of charge.. good luck with the tent:)
Indica Monkey
Jun 22 2008, 04:53 PM
Yeah the zips aren't as tough as they could be really, but it's not a problem where I have the tent. I have it set up inside a room I made in my cellar so it's in total darkness anyhow, but if you are setting up a tent in lit room then you'll deffinately need to do something to sort the zips out, maybe create a curtain from black and white poly inside the tent door velcro'd to the walls/frame.
I will bare in mind the point about the corners, I'm not really planning on dismantling the tent but if I find myself doing so in the future I'll watch out for that.
lerrynboy
Jun 30 2008, 01:37 PM
Im running with the same tent and just entered week 8 of flower using 2x250W Envirolites. I have 6 plants (vegged for 4 weeks) in 5.5l pots, I had to do alot of LST to keep them in check, height hasnt been an issue but I do think its too overcrowded with the six plants, next time I'll go with just 4 plants and slightly longer veg.
For me the tent has been my best buy, its kept everything in one place, allows great access for maintenence and compliments my stealth requirements by fitting into my utility cupboard perfectly.
TheDudeAbides
Jul 3 2008, 11:54 PM
i've just bought a dr60 to use as my mother room, nice bits of kit really... got the 1.2 version also, only 1 or 2 tiny pinhole leaks at the zip, very very easily fixed
cant fault them at all
thecrystalcatcher
Jul 4 2008, 12:38 AM
hi guys,
not really relevant i know but i'm using a dr 240.....great tent but still has same problem with seems and zips leaking pin pricks of light
anyway mate nice little setup.....good luck
hey monkey, ive got a bud box which is 1x1x1.60m so abit bigger than urs but you can grow in there no probs, best bet would be a scrog as mentioned above which is what im going for next. at the mo i tie them down or lst which works well. bet your cellar is nice and cool aswell
Indica Monkey
Jul 6 2008, 09:44 AM
Hello there guys, nice to see there are a few other DR60 growers in here and I'm not the only one trying to get some bud out of this tiny space. As for height limitations, SCROG is to be my weapon of choice. I have been reading the thread which somebody has recovered from OverGrow which has surfaced recently, I'm starting to think about a scrog with sloping sides to help out with the low intensity of my lamp rather than a flat scrog. The low temps in the cellar are really helping out at the moment too, it's been really hot around here lately. Every day whilst I sit at work sweating buckets I am am thinking about my babies and hoping the weather doesn't make it too hot inside the tent, but it hasn't even come close so far. I think the cellar is a great place to grow for many reasons, you just need to put some effort into the inital setup of the room before you can start adding lamps and fans etc.
It's now 16 days since germination and the plants seem to be growing OK, I am a little worried for a few of them though. I potted them upto the six inch pots on Thursday evening as they all had roots growing out of the holes in the bottom of their three inch pots. I did have roots showing a few days earlier than this but never got a chance to repot them as Mrs Monkey had visitors on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday evening. Upon repotting them I noticed that the compost in one of the pots was still wet whilst the others were all dry, so I'm guessing I've been overwatering this one. If you zoom in on the photograph here you can clearly see one of the containers is still damp whilst the others are all dry, this plant didn't have the same amount of root mass as the others. When I water later today or this evening I will leave this one as it is, there's no point making matters worse by throwing more water at it.
When I repotted the plants I moved them from under the fluoro tube as there would no longer be space under it to fit all the pots so they are sitting directly under the 150w HPS now, all the plants are between six or seven inch from the lamp and they seem to be handling the heat and lumen increase alright (I think).
Now something else I have noticed on two of the plants is little rust spots, again if you zoom in on the plants you will be able to inspect this yourself. I'm not really sure what's causing this, they are only being fed on plain tap water. They are sat in Westlands WestPlus Advanced which I think they are ready for so it shouldn't be a nutrient problem. I did splash a little water on the leaves when I watered them, I did remove most of this water before placing the lamp back over them, could this leftover water be the cause of the problem? I'm thinking that it may also be caused by the large PC fan that is blowing under the lamp to keep it from burning my babies, any opinions on this? I would really like to get to the bottom of the problem before it gets out of hand.
Here's the photograph...
Don't be shy guys, show us what you're doing with your DR60's - photo's help out so much more than words alone!!
hudson
Jul 6 2008, 11:02 AM
Hey Monkey,
Scrog's a good method for maximizing yield in a small area, i considered it but decided against it as I was growing from seed and figured i was gonna have a hard time getting the males out when they sex and getting them out for watering/pruning would be a pain. I don't know if you've got that planned out but thought i'd mention it. A possible solution might be to do have individual scrogs for each plant rather than one big one?
I think i know the Overgrow thread you're talking about, it was a really interesting read with some great stuff on small scrogs. I really like the idea of the vertical scrog, but i've not seen many diaries to steal ideas from, maybe after a couple more grows
Good to hear your temps are nice and cool, i'd love to have a cellar, i did a grow in my garage a while back and remember i didn't even have a fan to exhaust the heat and it stayed pretty cool

It's been a bit hot here too but temps ain't got higher than 86F so i'm safe for now
You're babies are looking really good monkey and well done catching the overwatering early on, thats something that i've been fighting and lost to recently

(luckily only one plant, still yielded some decent bud and my other two girls are looking good)
As for the little brown spots, they don't look like anything serious, I'd get some ph test strips and check your tap water and runoff just to eliminate them as a problem, but i think it's probably caused by the bit of water you got on the leaves, your light does seem a little close tho, (i only let my cooltube 250w hps get to 4-5" away when the plants are much older) and the bottom right plant in your pic looks like it's showing early signs of heat stress (curled leaf edges) so you might want to move it a bit further away.
Here's a couple pics of how my drs60 is looking, there's 2 white widows on the left that are 8 weeks into flowering and will be getting chopped soon, on the right, the one at the back is a widow clone in a bubbler thats been flowering a week (it's dominating the tent, good job i can make some space for it soon) and the small one infront of it is also a widow clone thats been in there 2-3 weeks, i only gave it a week to veg.
Indica Monkey
Jul 6 2008, 08:04 PM
Wow hudson, it sure looks like you're in for a treat over the next week or so

how long until the 2 mature ones are finished? I'm guessing from looking at that one in the bubbler that it's going to take over the whole tent in week or so, I hope you've got a plan for keeping the height down, that one looks like it will hit the roof of the tent in no time at all.
Thanks for the leaf edge curling tip, I've since raised the reflector by an inch or two. Hopefully this will be the end of the curling, we'll see?! I have a liquid PH kit from a hydro shop but I thought PH wasn't relevant to soil grows? I shall test that when i next water just to see what I'm reading and make it sure it is in check.
As for the scrog, I was planning to attach a chicken wire screen to each of the pots with garden canes when the time comes to pot them up to the 11ltr pots. When it comes time for putting them into the 11ltr pots I shall have to kill one of the plants as there is only room for four of the 11ltr pots in the tent, that will be a sad day
Looking at your buds has brought me to the conclusion that it's time to smoke a fatty!!
Keep up the good work, it's nice to see what's possible inside one of these tent's. Be sure to post pics and give us an idea of what the dried weight is when the time comes.
hudson
Jul 7 2008, 01:48 PM
Hey Monkey,
Yeah a lot of people say you don't need to check ph for soil grows and most people probably don't need to but personally i think it's worth checking every now and then to eliminate it as a possible problem. Ph is different around the country so it's worth checking yours is within normal range, i've only ever used bio bizz all mix and ph is usually good with that, but if i ever changed soil i'd want to check the runoff ph from it just to make sure there wasn't something in there that would affect ph, some additives can affect ph too. I think it's worth a fiver for peace of mind.
Your plans for the scrog sound good, yeah i know what you mean about the 11l pots, think i've got the same, it's a tight squeeze with 4 of them in a dr60

As far as cutting a plant when you pot up into the 11l's why don't you have a go at making some cannabutter with it? It's really easy and it's better than just binning the plant.
I think you could be right about the widow in the bubbler and i've no idea what i'm gonna to do to control height

I've got it raised at the moment so it's maybe not as tall as you think from the pic. I'm thinking about doing a scrog over it or maybe a little bit of LST, i'll just wing it and see how it goes

I think one of the mature ones will be cut in the next couple of days, the other looks like it needs around a week, just waiting to see some amber trichs.

Can't wait to find out my yield, i'm sure i'm gonna be happy with it and i'm looking forward to bettering it already
RedLightProwler
Jul 19 2008, 02:42 PM
QUOTE(Halfatree @ Jun 22 2008, 05:43 PM)


.. not the first time Greens done that.. I ordered a DR80 a while back and they sent me a DR100 either by mistake or cause the other was out of stock..
They are good tents.. but may need some work round the zips to prevent light likes...
Also one weak point seems to be the plastic corners.. I managed to break one, putting it down.. Greens were good as gold though and replaced it for me free of charge.. good luck with the tent:)
I managed to break 3

whilst putting up cus i didnt give myself enough room to work, thanks to you i now have replacement (couldnt find the corners anywhere)
Indica Monkey
Jul 19 2008, 03:45 PM
Glad to hear you got your tent sorted RedLightProwler, what have you got going in there then?
Here's a pic I took on Thursday, not the greatest quality since they came from my phone. I'm going to have to leave my camera down in the room with the tent I think, I can never be arsed to go back upstairs and dig the thing out once I've got my head in there and realise I need to take a couple of pics so the phone comes out.
niceneasy
Jul 21 2008, 10:29 PM
Nice thread. I'm looking to buy virtually the same kit from Greens in a couple of months.
A couple of questions though if that's allright.
I see your cf in the drobe, but not your fan. I assume the fan is now outside, but could it be put inside with any issues?
You also advise that you thought the acoustic ducting would not fit the DR60. Have you now confirmed that, or will it go through the outlets?
I was going to put the 250w without a cooltube. Do you think that would be ok in there, or would it be pushing it?
Cheers for any replies. I really need to make sure I buy the right kit this time, an expensive hobby.
ben
Jul 22 2008, 10:32 AM
You might be better off using 6.5l pots in a dr60, im using them in a dr80 and the plants are more than big enough. You could actually fit 9 of them in a dr60

or a more comfortable 4 to 6.
e2a: Does anyone know where to get spare frame for the dr60? I broke abit and now its a little lopsided..
hudson
Jul 22 2008, 11:08 AM
QUOTE(ben @ Jul 22 2008, 11:32 AM)

You might be better off using 6.5l pots in a dr60, im using them in a dr80 and the plants are more than big enough. You could actually fit 9 of them in a dr60

or a more comfortable 4 to 6.
Yeah good point ben, the nine 6.5l pots make full use of the space in a dr60, i used 11l last grow in the drs60 but thought i could get away with 6.5l if i was to keep the plants a little smaller and not do LST. Guess it depends on the style you wanna grow. 6l would be great for doing 9 plants in a sog with clones in a dr60. But i'd say 11l would be better for scrog and LST. JMO
ben
Jul 22 2008, 11:20 AM
QUOTE(hudson @ Jul 22 2008, 12:08 PM)

QUOTE(ben @ Jul 22 2008, 11:32 AM)

You might be better off using 6.5l pots in a dr60, im using them in a dr80 and the plants are more than big enough. You could actually fit 9 of them in a dr60

or a more comfortable 4 to 6.
Yeah good point ben, the nine 6.5l pots make full use of the space in a dr60, i used 11l last grow in the drs60 but thought i could get away with 6.5l if i was to keep the plants a little smaller and not do LST. Guess it depends on the style you wanna grow. 6l would be great for doing 9 plants in a sog with clones in a dr60. But i'd say 11l would be better for scrog and LST. JMO

Yeah good point also, i'm thinking of making a new mum and clone room with more width, then whacking a 250w hps in and doing a 2 or 4 plant scrog in the dr60.
Indica Monkey
Jul 23 2008, 08:52 PM
Hello there niceneasy, what size fan and filter are you going for? My setup uses a 125mm RVK and matching budget carbon filter, I could probably fit the fan inside the tent if I wanted but I would be loosing valuable headroom and also airflow with all the tight bends that would be needed in the ducting. I'm pretty certain that I wouldn't be able to fit acoustic ducting through the vent holes in the tent, you could probably squeeze 100mm acoustic ducting through there if you were going to go for a 100mm fan. I'm not sure if it would be worth it though as the fan blades would have to spin faster on a 100mm fan than they do on a 125mm fan to keep the temps at the same level, this all depends on you having a speed controller rig anyway. I built a temperature controlled fan speed doodab with some help from OT1's plans which I found in one of the growroom equipment forums here, this helps a great deal with the noise my ventilation makes. I would suggest setting one of those up if funds will allow as it helps keep your plants in a stable environment and keeps fan noise and airflow to a minimum.
Cooling a 250w lamp in my situation without a cooltube would be no problem at all as my tent is situated in the cellar with an open window which used to be a coal shoot back in the dark ages, going with the 125mm fan makes all the difference too - things would probably be very different if I had 100mm fan.
If you have any other questions just ask and I'll see if I can help, my experience is very limited though
Good luck with the project anyway, keep us updated on your progress bud
Thanks for the info ben, Now I've got the 11ltr pots in the tent I can see they restrict airflow from the passive intakes a bit. I should imagine the 6.6ltr pots would make venting the tent a little easier if temps ever got out of control. I'm just about ready to install scrog screens onto the pots which means they will probably need a few weeks more veg before I set the light to 12/12, I should imagine after all that time in veg they're going to need a nice large pot as thy're seed plants and so naturally have a larger root mass.
Is it your corner piece that is broken? I have read a few threads where people have just e-mailed/phoned Greens and explained there corner piece has broken and had them replaced free of charge, assuming you ordered from Greens that is.
I'll try and get some more pictures up tomorrow if I get around to installing the screens, we'll see
Indica Monkey
Jul 26 2008, 05:01 PM
Indica Monkey
Jul 26 2008, 05:13 PM
The screens went on today.
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Indica Monkey
Jul 26 2008, 05:16 PM
I can't believe how much they've grown in just nine days.
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Indica Monkey
Jul 26 2008, 05:40 PM
Now the screens are in you can see there's no danger of running out of space in there. I'm hoping it will only be a week or two until it's time to put the lamp onto 12/12, that's the bit I'm really looking forward to. As things are the only problem I can see arising with my equipment will be the two foot tube heater not been up to the job of keeping the tent at a healthy temperature during the lights off period, I will be running the lamp through the night to try and help with this. If that's the only problem I run into with this grow I will be really suprised, but time will tell I suppose.
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Indica Monkey
Jul 29 2008, 04:37 PM
Hello there m2jlv, is that plant in the reflector burning at all? If not then just leave it as it is, the closer to the lamp the better. I would raise the other one up a bit though, it seems to be way too far from your lamp. Those enviro's have next to no penetration so you need them right on top of your plants, I would scrog your next grow if you're using the same lighting setup.
That white thing around your filter is a pre-filter, it's placed there to stop dust and other crap from blocking the holes in the filter. That's the reason I have mine setup the way it is, I have seen many setup's with the filter outside of the grow area and no problems with smell so leave it as it is if you're happy with it's performance.
Indica Monkey
Jul 29 2008, 09:18 PM
If I were you I'd try and bend the Mazar over a little to get it out of the reflector and minimize the damage, it'll be a real shame to spend months growing the things if they get burned when harvest is so close.
You're right about the chicken wire being part of the SCROG (Screen Of Green), what I'm trying to do is keep the plants nice and short by training them under the mesh. The idea is to get a small single cola to grow through each of the holes in the screen, that way they should all be at a similar height so it's easier to get the lamp as close as possible to all the flowers the plant will throw out. Hopefully this means I will get maximum performance from the small HPS and maximum yield from the plant, we'll see?! I've just had to give the plants a good trim and get rid of quite a few fan leaves as they were shading all the branches below the screen, the plants look pretty bare now but hopefully the extra light available will help the lower branches make it to the screen.
I'm doing OK for temps, the tent stays at a constant 24C. I'm lucky to have my tent down in the cellar where temps are low all day long, no matter what the temperature outside the house is. I also have my extractor hooked upto a thermostat and speed controller which allows me to dictate the temperature inside the tent, I may knock it up a couple of degrees when the flowers start to appear.
If I were you I would have gone for the HPS, it doesn't draw that much more power than your CFL's and I don't really think it would be that much hotter if the ballast was situated outside of the tent. It's maybe something to think about before your winter grow, with it being winter you'll find it much easier to control temps if there's no central heating on in the room with the tent.
Good luck with the rest of the grow, just keep reading and your plants will thank you for it.
Indica Monkey
Sep 26 2008, 01:58 PM
Well I'm half way through week eight of flowering my Blue Cheese and I have to say I am not happy with the yield, this is partly to do with me over vegging four plants in such a small space and partly to do with the penetration of my lamp (or the lack of). I can see that I'm going to need to get a new grow on almost as soon as I've shut this one down which wasn't that much of an issue when I began this grow but now it is as Mrs Monkey is not happy about me growing in the house, she shits a brick every time she see a fluorescent jacket through the window (I've had "the knock" before). I will get some pics up later on this evening when the lights have come on so you can see all the lovely popcorn buds I'm going to have in a few weeks.
For my next grow I am currently trying to decide if I will be going with a 250w or a 400w lamp, I am hoping that with an increase in wattage I will hopefully have quite a bit more bud come harvest time thus meaning I can shut down for a few months. If I decide to go with the 400w lamp I already have tucked away in the corner of my growroom I will buy a cooltube and extra 125mm RVK/Ruck fan to cool the lamp with, so this means the lamp will have it's own dedicated cooling fan and the tent will have it's own dedicated venting/scrubbing fan. I am also toying with the idea of a 250w lamp without a cooltube or any extra venting in a nice reflector with a good spread to it, any suggestions for this?
I've written this post in the hope that some of you DR60 growers will help me out here with opinions on the best lighting setup, I have no doubt whatsoever that I can cool either a 250w or 400w lamp without any problems but would the 400w be a waste of light or is this only the case if you can't cool one properly?
...budshots to follow
ajthedon
Sep 27 2008, 09:55 AM
Im waiting for a DR60...should reach on monday.....so very intrested in seein what the pro's and con's are....also im going to be growin Master Kush
ben
Sep 27 2008, 10:30 AM
Hmm a 400w light you say, tbh i'm barely cooling my 250w enough, it sits around 28C, thats with a powerful 5" out and 4" in. Seems to be working well for my scrog though.
ajthedon
Sep 27 2008, 11:24 AM
I got the full kit with mine..so hopeing i dont need to buy anything else really
Indica Monkey
Sep 27 2008, 11:56 AM
QUOTE(ben @ Sep 27 2008, 11:30 AM)

Hmm a 400w light you say, tbh i'm barely cooling my 250w enough, it sits around 28C, thats with a powerful 5" out and 4" in. Seems to be working well for my scrog though.
Well I'm pretty confident I could cool a 400, atm I have a 150w hps with a 20w CFL and a 20w tube fluoro in there with a 2 foot tube heater to get the temps up to spec. My vent fan is turned right down and never clicks onto full speed, my grow is in the cellar with an open window and it's only going to get cooler down there as the winter gets closer. I'm not set on the 400 yet it's just a possibility atm, just wanting some opinions really.
Any chance of seeing some pics of your scrog?
Indica Monkey
Sep 27 2008, 12:05 PM
QUOTE(ajthedon @ Sep 27 2008, 12:24 PM)

I got the full kit with mine..so hopeing i dont need to buy anything else really
What kit have you got coming with the tent? I would imagine you will need to collect a few more things before your setup is complete, if it is ever really complete
How are you planning on growing your Master Kush in there? I can give you a few tips on how not do things if you let us know what you're planning.
ajthedon
Sep 27 2008, 08:54 PM
QUOTE(Indica Monkey @ Sep 27 2008, 01:05 PM)

QUOTE(ajthedon @ Sep 27 2008, 12:24 PM)

I got the full kit with mine..so hopeing i dont need to buy anything else really
What kit have you got coming with the tent? I would imagine you will need to collect a few more things before your setup is complete, if it is ever really complete
How are you planning on growing your Master Kush in there? I can give you a few tips on how not do things if you let us know what you're planning.
Im getting this .....full kit..so thisis what I will have...I know i need a few more things like small pots etc...Im really not sure how to start this project....im thinking to germinate seeds in water for 2 day's then add to small pots...need to read all the stuff that comes really and see what is missing.
What you thinking so far....I no im not that good
ajthedon
Sep 27 2008, 08:55 PM
also I got feminised seeds..Master Kush.
ajthedon
Sep 27 2008, 08:59 PM
[this is the kit
I got the exteras too
my kit
Indica Monkey
Sep 30 2008, 06:03 PM
That link doesn't want to work for me ajthedon so I'm afraid I can't double check your list for you, has it arrived yet? As for your germination plan I leave my seeds in a glass of water for 24-36 hours, I try and make it 24 but sometimes things get in the way and there's nothing you can do about it. Once I have dropped the seeds in the glass I add a little water to my compost filled starter pots and place them somewhere dark at room temp along with the seeds. After the soak I place them in three inch pots filled with BioBizz light mix, I know a lot of people on this site don't use the lightmix as they see it as a waste of money and just dilute their final compost with perlite. When the seeds come out of the water and go a few mm below the surface of the compost I wrap the pots up in cling film or a sandwich bag or something else airtight and place them in the growspace at your preferred temp mine is 22 - 23 for germinating. Now just keep your eye on them for the seedling breaking the surface of the compost, when this happens remove the clingfilm or whatever else you have the pots in and get the lamp over them.
If you have any more questions just ask and I'll see what I can do for you.
Unfortunately I have not been able to get the photo's I promised you as lots of family issues have got in the way and it doesn't look like I'll be able to get down there for more than a minute or two just to water them for the next few days either.
On a brighter note my magnifier arrived in the post today so I can see whether it's time to chop the first of my plants, and I also managed to find some nice cheap clean butane for a BHO extraction from my popcorn that I have coming from the first plant.
Be back with the budshots ASAP.
Indica Monkey
Oct 4 2008, 12:04 PM
Well the first of the Blue Cheese came down last night as the trichomes had mostly gone milky with a few of them starting to turn amber (or possibly just the light from the HPS getting in the way) and although the quality appears to be there there's not much else to be honest with you, the other three look like they will go another couple of week easily. I hope the others look a bit better after having a few days with the new space that's just appeared in the tent as they also look pretty light.
I'm still undecided what to do for the next grow, If I should just stick with the 150w and grow a single plant as I think this would help with the bud formation and bud/leaf ratio. The other option is to swap the 150w out for a 250w or 400w HPS, hopefully swapping the lamp out would make the tent more economical to run because I'm also having to run a dehumidifier and tube heater (will be installing a second tube heater for the next grow or if it's just a single plant grow relocating the existing tube heater inside the tent). The more I think about this the more I think I have just been running a very uneconomical setup, at this moment in time I'm thinking I might give the 150w lamp another go with just a single plant come flowering time and the heater inside the tent, hopefully the heater wont need to be switched on so often and the dehumidifier wont need to be on 24/7 again?! Any opinions on this? I know people are reading as the "read count" is going up but nobody is talking?!
Anyway, here's the pics.
Indica Monkey
Oct 4 2008, 12:14 PM
Here are the few buds that were worth leaving intact along with all the trim and popcorn/airbud which I will be making some BHO from, wish me luck with that as it's something I've never done before but have high hopes for...
Indica Monkey
Oct 4 2008, 12:21 PM
...and this is the final shot of the trim on top of the tent, hopefully this is enough to make a decent amount of BHO with, we'll see.
QUOTE(Indica Monkey @ Sep 27 2008, 12:56 PM)

QUOTE(ben @ Sep 27 2008, 11:30 AM)

Hmm a 400w light you say, tbh i'm barely cooling my 250w enough, it sits around 28C, thats with a powerful 5" out and 4" in. Seems to be working well for my scrog though.
Well I'm pretty confident I could cool a 400, atm I have a 150w hps with a 20w CFL and a 20w tube fluoro in there with a 2 foot tube heater to get the temps up to spec. My vent fan is turned right down and never clicks onto full speed, my grow is in the cellar with an open window and it's only going to get cooler down there as the winter gets closer. I'm not set on the 400 yet it's just a possibility atm, just wanting some opinions really.
Any chance of seeing some pics of your scrog?
Hi mate, sorry for the late reply but I only just got my camera back. Congrats on your grow by the way

Looks nice and frosty
Heres the dr60 scrog (Thseeds - The Hog)
Click to view attachmentClick to view attachmentaround 2 weeks into flower. I think mine would take a 400w now the weathers changed, since i'm in a shed its difficult if it's hot weather.
Indica Monkey
Oct 6 2008, 09:05 PM
Thanks for the kind words m2jlv, I don't feel like the grow turned out well myself though. I'm actually pretty pissed off with the outcome but I have learned a few things about growing with such a small lamp, or at least I think I have.
I'm going with Mazar on the next grow, hopefully the Mazar will stay a little shorter and finish up a bit sooner than these Blue Cheese that I currently have on the go. Now it all depends on how long it takes the Blue Cheese to finish up and whether I can convince Mrs Monkey to let me get another grow on the go once I chop them.
That canopy is looking pretty tidy there Ben, how many plants have you got under there and what medium/nutes/etc are you using to grow them?
Got 5 hog girls, 5 only because that's what I happened to have at the time. Probably would of done 2 or 4 otherwise. They're in JAB compost in 6.5l pots and i've been using Biosevia grow and bloom on them.
Been watering with a long lance type pump up sprayer thingy, works well so far, gets to the back nice and easy.
td 160 4" intake and airforce 5" out
I'll get a pic from underneath, the net is quite high up as I didn't decide to scrog till late on.
Quick pic, 3 weeks in now.
Click to view attachmentAs you can see they've pushed the plastic net up, i've bought a metal wire frame for next time.
Indica Monkey
Oct 9 2008, 07:08 PM
Thanks for the info Ben, on my next grow I'll be growing just the one plant probably using LST. Would you suggest using an 11ltr pot or one of those 6.5l pots? I'm guessing the 11ltr but just be nice to get a second opinion, you seem to know what you're doing here.
m2jlv - I would stay away from the 400w lamp to be honest with you, I was playing with the idea of using one but with a cooltube and separate RVK/ruck fan to cool it (I have quite a bit of experience with large lamps in small spaces). I would suggest a 250w HPS if you're thinking of an upgrade, where is your tent located? This is also important when it comes to cooling a large lamp in a small area, what are the temps outside the tent?
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