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just stumbled on this, an interview with hemp legend Robert Connell Clarke from Kiwi NORML magazine


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You've done a bit of research on the origins of cannabis. Is the difference between indica and sativa as simple as thin and fat leaves?

RCC - There is some new genetic based work by Karl Hillig at Indiana University, trying to work out the taxonomy of Cannabis. The main thing, is that all that Cannabis Sativa really should represent, is the narrow leaf hemp varieties from Western Europe which spread to a few other places like Chile and possibly New Mexico, and everything else should be called Cannabis Indica. I’m now using this new system - until some taxonomist changes it again!

What changed the system?

RCC - Looking at the direct gene products of cannabis. The gene technology as well as looking at cannabinoid data, THC, terpene data and other plants.

So are we smoking any Sativa at all these days?

RCC - Actually we don’t smoke sativas, it is all indicas. All the rest of the world’s hemp, drug, medical, seed and other varieties should most likely be called the indica variety. There are four different subgroups of indica that are now recognised. Cannabis Indica Biotype Afghanica is what we call Indica now. Cannabis Indica Biotype Chinensis is broad-leafed hemp from China, Japan & Korea. Cannabis Indica Spontania is from North India, Nepali, Burma. These were called the drug sativas but are now better called Cannabis Indica Indica. Cannabis Indica Caferus Anacus may represent the wild “feral” types that the other domesticated subgroups came from.

To make it easier we should just go back to what they look like. Let’s forget about where they come from. We should call what we think of as hemp from Europe, as Narrow leafed hemp. The other hemp is Chinese, Korean, Japanese and Northern Vietnam. These are broad-leafed hemp. They are not as low in THC or as high in CBD (cannabidiol) as the European ones but they are not drugs. And then you have the two drug cannabis gene pools which would be narrow leafed drug high THC varieties - Indian , Nepali, Thai, Indonesian, African, Mexican and Columbian, with narrow leafs and high THC . Afghan varieties which are now called Indica, erroneously, should be called Broad leafed drug varieties . Now of course we have hybrids of narrow and brood leafed but no hybrids of Sativa, the narrow leafed hemp. So actually the only true Indica-Sativa hybrids are hemp, and what people smoke are all Indicas.


sores


thoughts?


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compostverte
How bizarre.

Greg Williams has it the other way round - that cannabis is naturally equatorial sativa and high altitude indicas are the odd ones out.

There's a video on pot tv.

hxxp://www.pot.tv/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1275.html

I think this is the one.
Cory-and-Trevor
there could have been various independent stages of species development , and some interchnange of species.
and this could very well have already have happened before humans went to breed cannabis.

in short , i know from experience , that deciphering the genetic map of cannabis leads to several possible conclusions.
Big chance that all of them are true , and coexist simultaneously..
so indeed, lets stop looking at where it came from . and start looking at the plant ( and its cannabisnoids).

cannabis originating in equatorial regions though , i find that rather hard to believe though
dr rockster
You don't half talk some tosh mate.

Like saying cuts are not as good as mums etc
Culchi
I was under the impression the botanical name for the plant is/was Cannabis Sativa L. or something, and that Cannabis Indica was a term rarely used? I'm only starting to learn about the plant and its properties, genetics, etc, information other than whether it's green or brown and available by the gram, if you know what I mean? I think I've learned more about plants through growing cannabis and visiting UK420, than I ever did in 3 years of science at school. Fascinating.
dr rockster

Spot on mi fren and 'Cannabis Sativa L' was first recorded by Carolus Linnaeus(we still have a Linnean Society today)when he established the genus Cannabis in his 'Species Plantarum' of 1753,although many notes on the use of cannabis are pre Linnean as a bloke called Casper Bauhin used the term 'cannabis sativa' in 1623,but not as a deliberate binomial which I think means variety or sub group,as I'm quoting from RCC's Marijuana botany.

dr rockster

I'm gonna have to get a scanner methinks.
felix_dzerjinski
Well Mr Clarke should certainly know what he's talking about, I should imagine genetic data to be somewhat more reliable than classification by physical appearance and traits, although it's going to take a while to get used to the new system. I also quite like Namka's idea of classification by use, Ganja, Hand rubbing, seiving, rope making, etc.
Uncle Bugpoop
QUOTE (Cory-and-Trevor @ Jun 3 2008, 07:52 PM) *
so indeed, lets stop looking at where it came from . and start looking at the plant ( and its cannabisnoids).


Cannabisnoids? Are those anything like sewer snoids?



hat tip to R. Crumb


stickyblack
The way i look at it is you get lanndrace indica's & sativa's and then you get hybrids.. although this does not mean what most westeners think (i know this, as one myself- but after read MJ, changed the way i look at growing)that indica are small bushy, short internod...u can get large indica phenos,large internod,long flowering(generally shorter;) As like you can get short landrace sativa phenos which finish in 10weeks(not hybrids..) with short internods and bushy.

You can get to grips with most of this in genetics section of RCC MB.- great read!

Get namkha or dubi too pop in, they'll explain pretty much the way it goes..and work mainly with traditional landraces, as you prolly already know.. anyways jus thhought i would pop a word in..

Good thread.

Sticky!
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