Hello there

I want to grow a pure Sat, probably only one plant and I'd like a little advice.

I'm currently growing some Mango from seed and have only just started them off, (something like 10 days now)

An idea I had today is to get some pure sat seeds and put them into veg for 4 weeks (Mango will be in veg for 8) I have - or will have - 2 X 250w MH for Veg and 2 X 250w HPS for Bloom, aprox 6ft head room, with decent enough airflow.

The plan is to pick the two best Mango plants and then have something different to smoke with the third, which is what I have enough room for without sog/scrog, veg the Mango for 4 weeks and put the hopefully germinated sats in then for 4 weeks veg aswell, then hopefully 8 weeks later I should have two Mango's to chop down, dry and smoke while my pure sat will then have all the space and light to itself for however long it needs... in all honesty I'd prefer a 12 weeker not a 24 weeker like a pure thai.

So i'd like to know if you think it would be worth growing a pure sat under 500watts light and how long veg would I need to keep it under 6ft?

I did try some pure sats before but had bad germination probs, which was prob my fault.

cheers

No more than a few days, if it's a pure sat, depends on variety to some extent.

I really want to give Afropips Nigerian or Swazi Red a go, the Nigerian was the one that had germination probs, but it was my fault I'm sure.

Nigerian's supposed to have a short flowering period, did have an email from afroman with some good advice but it's been deleted automatically because it's so old

They're certainly not short flowering but afroman recomends 10 day veg on his beans, but I like to veg them as normal from seed and take cuttings when they are big enough, once I got a mother I can flower the cuts at any stage, but be warned they can grow massive

Some people just 12/12 them and take a cut from a lower part deep in flower, hourses for courses init

Afropips are excellent beans (My faves) and you will enjoy them the best of luck

EM2

Cheers Electric man

when I say short flowering I should say shorter flowering than say a 170 day sat or some of the other strains available.

Now it leaves me with a final question about feeding, I'm following OTs guide for feeding, which most do round here.

That seems to work well for Indica, don't feed untill switching to 12/12, but if I'm switching to 12/12 in 10 days then how long in (just generally speaking) would I start feeding?

thanks

You'll have to read the plant to know when it needs feeding and go easy on the ferts. Most Sativas are right sensitive, too much N will burn them very easily. When the leaves start lightening in colour it's time to feed them.

Nepjam looks nice

When you 12/12 from seed its just a case of potting on in 12/12, you can manipulate the final size of the plants by using small pots but I find by potting up in the normal way means no nutes till week 7 or so flower, then its onto 1ml grow and 1ml bloom

When going 12/12 from seed there is no veg time so they are in fact quicker than indicas with a ten week veg but the yields, aren't the best shall we say but the smoke is totally different to amsterdam, even though the buds look atrocious.

EM2

Think I might give the Senegal Haze from afropips a shot or maybe seedsman's colombian red haze, although that's not a pure sat, there's also a reeferman strain called Willijuana, which not only makes me chuckle but looks like nice genetics:

An f1 hybrid of some of our lovely sativas, Vietnamese and Burmese using the same Vietnamese mother that was used in Willie Nelson. If you are looking for a tasty potent sativa that yields well look no further than Willijuana. Unique sweet and sour skunky aromas with a high that will elevate and captivate audiences for hours. Frosty buds that feel greasy when squeezed. Good mold resistance. Slightly bushy with many branches that are filled with buds. Excellent SCROG or Bucket strain indoors. Large outdoor yields.

Reeferman's ordering process certainly leaves something to be desired, at the moment you stuff an envelope with cash and send that off to him hoping that you'll get some seeds by way of return post. I prefer something a bit safer myself

hmmm

Just noticed Seedsman's out of stock aswell, don't really fancy going to the bank and exchanging currency then posting etc.

Dya know if the real seed company sell in smaller quantities?, I don't really need 25 seeds and don't fancy spending £50+ at the moment, but their strains look lovely.

I would defo go for the senegal haze, its my favourite to date, claims of high yields should be taken with caution IMO

EM2

Thanks

Did you keep a diary of the Senegal?

Yield's not my main priority anyway, I'm really after a mind-blowing high, it occured to me very recently that I could use a corner of my room for a veg area, a 6ft wide desk about 3 and a half ft high, stick a light underneath, go with a 24 on sched and just use some old curtains to block out some of the light so I can sleep, no worries with light leaks if 24 on, a small rvk to move the air around, it'll be sort of open plan anyway making the ventilation a bit easier, it'll just pong a bit more I spose.

The idea being a couple of Indica's for yield and a special 1 or 2 pure (or thereabouts) sats for a high I doubt I've even experienced properly before, they can live in the flower room for as long as it takes with some Indi's for company when required.

Most probably going to do buy the light and fan this week, along with the new seeds, don't really want to take cuttings (which I spose would also make life easier and less time consuming) because I want to try different strains with each grow.

The Real Seed Company has some very interesting cultivars coming out in August if you like a challenge. I think Namka was talking about a highland Lao and a highland Thai and possible and Indica type plant from Burma. All native cultivars so no Mongrel mixes of genetics just nice old time weed without the mongy high. The Malana and Pahari that RSC currently stock are both good charas producing cultivars

*Drooling*

If you happen to be reading this at any point Namka, will you be doing packs of 10/12 in the future?

August batch maybe?

cheers

Why not pm him and ask, he seems to care about his customers

Just pee-emmed namkha

Another thing...

I often read on here and other places that growing Haze's can be a difficult task, what makes Haze more difficult to grow than other sats? is it just the time involved or some other factors?

Hiya - thanks for the interest people

We'll be doing packs of 12 when we can - we started with 25 because we figured people who would want to buy our stuff would be interested in having more range to select from

At some point we hope to have our own site up-and-running, though the way things are going in the UK now is creating plenty of obstacles to doing things the way we would like

It's interesting that the Pahari (Kumaoni) is getting so much attention - we hope to have some similar and arguably superior varieties up sooner or later

The Kumaoni strains are very vigorous and robust with a great high - but there are more refined strains from nearby areas with a high to match

I'm also a fan of Afropips - some great highs there - my only real negative with his stock was actually the Senegal Haze which I had pile of intersex plants from - the rest of his stuff I really enjoyed

Anyway. any questions please ask... clock is ticking for seed stuff in the UK

Namkha

Thanks for the reply Namkha.

I hope all goes well with your future plans, I think I'll get this grow under my belt and then give yours a try.

Still new to growing so I probably wont do them justice anyway right now, hone my skills and give them a better home.

with the Senegal, although I can't keep changing my mind, I think I'll order some tomorrow and hope for the best.

Thanks again.

Namkha do you have a link to your catalogue I am always interested in new strains

Idle hands I did a diary but I only had 2 senegal haze, if you go with the senegal you will not be dissappointed.

As for the haze being hard to grow it largely depends on which type of haze but I suppose people say they hard to grow as they can be nute sensitive, they grow tall and skinny can be tricky to control and to top it all they take twice as long (For some strains)


For me sativas are better growing fun and theres lots more challenge

EM2

I went for some Colombian Red Haze from Seedsman in the end, got a grow tent to house them in after getting some money I've been owed since last year, back on shit street til next month but at least I've got a shiny new grow space to make up for lack of cigarette's, beer and dealer weed I'd have undoubtably spent the money on instead.

How do they look?

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I waited until I got the tent before I went 12/12 so they got a three week veg, opposed to the 10 days I was going to give them, they're now 26 days old and in their 3rd pots - 5 litres, 11 litre pots in a fortnight til the end.

They've been in B&Q seedling compost untill these pots which have been filled with west+, they've all had rockdust, rootgrow and aktrivator added to the mix and a little seaweed/fish mix added at potting up time.

The tallest one is 44cm not includin' the pot, the others are only a few cm behind, I'm gonna have to find something to raise the small seedlings higher to the light with, as they are starting to stretch a little.

So far I'm very impressed, they have very sticky stems with a lovely hashy smell... they smell more than my mango plants do - which are now nearly 9 weeks old.

first two - Highland Lao Ganja Sativas
third - Indian Himalayan Kumaoni Charas Sativas

more Kumaoni charas sativas
about 2.5m - 3m tall - mango/carrot aroma sativas, highly euphoric potent and energising high

Looking good namkha

One thing I forgot to ask you about was the Mazar-i-Sharif, what sort of of veg time would be required to keep them at a sensible height for indoors? vegged under say, 250-500w then into 1200w hps for bloom, I can have plants at about 130cm max finishing in 11ltr pots.

honest answer - no idea - I have a pic of a grow done in 2004 outdoors in Spain of the same strain, if that might be of help - from the same source, later year though

I would expect them to be pretty vigorous and unruly compared to a typical Western bred IBL, and likewise probably to have more variation

a nice guy over at ictwat called Pops is doing a grow and may get some pics going soon of our M-i-S and Sheberghan

the friend who grew out those Hmong Lao also grew the Colombian Red Haze from Seedsman and really liked it

the Highland Lao we have is a Hmong strain, sandlewood aroma and nice golden colour on cure - potent bubt without the paranoid edge of many SE Asian ganja strains

Thanks again

I'd love to see the outdoor pic from Spain, (and I'd love to be outdoors in Spain with them)

Vigorous and unruly sounds like fun, got plenty of Bamboo, string and spare time and as they say variety is the spice of life!

Let us know if Pops gets the pics done, would love to see them also

Good to hear I haven't made a bad choice with the CRH aswell.

cheers

Mazar-i-Sharif outdoors Spain - finished midOct to November if I remember right... Afghanis prefer to leave them till all the trichs are red/purple, so as late as Dec/earlyJan

oh yeh and I've ok'd all this with Joolz who's being a right star about everything - although I haven't yet asled the guy at the site I pinched these off a few months back (Mriko who's helping us out this year did give him the beans though so I reckon I'm safe)

Wha Namkha? Afghani's with red and purple trichs that take till Dec/Jan in Spain?

hey - sorry, not being clear

memory says the Spanish guy chopped them midOct to Nov ish sort of time - according to Western tastes on the trichs

whereas in Afghanistan these can be left very late, well into when snow has already started coming down... same happens in Chitral I know from talking with farmers there... in separate situations and with different farmers talking about different strains (Pathans talking about Afghani strains in Mazar, Chitralis talking about Chitrali strains in Chitral) have told me that their plants actively love cold conditions

the Mazar is said to turn blood red/purple in cold... Afghans like to leave the strains very late I was told... as late as Dec/early Jan

mind you Mriko tells me harvest can start as early as July believ it or not!

you will certainly see stands of plants ready in the Tribal Areas and south in Punjab by July - but those are all jungli

anyway that's a separate issue

has that muddied the waters enough?

ooop - point being - hash farmers want their strains with as many fully ripe trichs as possible!!!

nb the colour of the garda bottom right in this pic - Sheberghan (nr. Mazar)

another pic of the Pahari Farmhouse (Kumaoni)

Lovely plants Idle hands, theres so many sativas to try there simply isn't enough time to do it!

The Mazar looks fantastic aswell!

I'm sold, going to work out the dates and plan a real seed grow when the current one is finished, although thinking about it there's enough space to start sooner (when my Mango plants have been harvested, they're on the right side of the tent hogging all the light on that side)

Cheers EM2, still early yet though and yeah tell me about it!

You may have seen this before but there's an article Here in the New York Times about farmers from Balkh, with a cool photo aswell.

Another question/s

The tallest of my Colombians are now 98cm high, the others aren't far off for the most part, they're 3 weeks in veg to the day, 6 weeks old in total.

6 of the 7 are still in 5ltr pots, now I have a couple of grostars up I only have another 35cm of height left untill they'll be right under the bulb when it's been raised to as high as it can go (which doesn't appear to be much of a problem with these shades) I've read that Colombian Red only double in height in 12/12 (not Colombian Red Haze) mine have doubled in height aprox since the switch.

I was planning on potting on to 11ltr pots, I have done with one... after an initial growth spurt, seems to have calmed down (was a few days ago now) it's at 108cm.

A couple of them look like they are going to need a light feed next watering, in a couple of days, going to give them 1ml of Fish Mix I think to start with, now I'm getting to the question...

If I keep them in these pots untill they start to bud, feeding them as required, can I still pot them on into the 11ltr pots? maybe a week or two after budding-up.

I've read the following on one of the big sativa threads on icdeadpeoplemag, after seeing someone mention it on here yesterday -



Changing 2ltr to 5ltr for my situation - is that good advice?

Hope that makes sense.

Bump

They're growing at a rate of about 2cm a night at the moment.

I'm happy with the size they're at now and how big I think they should be in these 5ltr pots come the time I expect them to start budding (judging from other grow diaries, which there aren't many of) , just a couple of them have the thinner roots growing right up the sides of the compost and coming out the top, also the thick roots near the stem have started protruding from the compost quite a bit, a top up of compost might cover them, but there's not much pot space left to top it up into really.

Wha'dya reckon, start feeding them and keep em in the 5ltrs or pot on to 11s and lst them like crazy (which I quite enjoy doing actually)

Make up my mind for me, it's a futile impressionable one so it should be quite easy.

Personally I'd keep them in 5l pots, if they're not completely rootbound. That post from IC is about keeping the roots restricted on pure landrace type sativas in 2ltr pots less than half the size of the ones you're in just now to keep the size down.

Also remember that an extra 6 litres of soil takes ages to root through and will become anaerobic if left wet with no roots. Then there's the recovery time from being potted on.

Cheers Doc

That's kinda what I thought, so Sativa's don't have magic roots then

cheers