Hello everyone out there, I'v recently become interested in information concerning canabis use to eas stress related headaches.
I am only 23 years old, and for the past 3 years I have been getting these renching headaches that seem to move from place to place in my head primarily my forehead and on top front of my head and ocasionaly in my temples and at the back of my head.

I am Canadian aswell so I might be at the wrong forum to talk about my problem.

Anyhow, I started going to my doctor complaining about these headaches, but he told me they do not fit the description for migrains or cluster headaches, so his conclusion was stress or anxiety related headaches. Right away he put me on a week anti depressant called Celexa. Within 2 months my headaches were twice as bad, and I was fairly unfunctional. I was attending high school, and I had to drop out because these headaches were to disabling. I was even having trouble having a conversation with my friends. I went back to my doctor and he took me off the anti depressants and put me on beta blockers for my headaches, those made me very sick, so he put me on Naproxin a anti inflamitory, that made me sick, so he put me on T3's.

The T3's seem to work for the most part, but if I take more than 2 a day for 4 days strait, I end up having one day in bed very sick, dizzy and 3x the headache and I dar not take another t3 cuz it just amplifies it on that day.

I'v gone to an ear and scinus specialist and they found a scinus infection, this has been cleared up, headaches are not quite as bad now, but I still get em.

Went to a Nurologist and he says there is nothing wrong with me, and that I am over sensitive to stress and that is causing headaches, and 70% of the population suffers from some sort of headaches, so deal with it.

Well I am not the smartest person in the world, but I know what these headaches feel like, and I don't think I realy have that much stress in my life, other than these headaches. Yes they are quite stressfull, but they cannot cause themselvs.

I donno what is up, but I have a list of other tests I have to go threw, and my doctor is eager to test more drugs on me.

I am a recreational pot smoker, and I told my doctor this. He sugested that I not smoke any for a long period of time. So I didn't touch any for a couple months. Still my headaches are quite sevear and dibilitating. This is now 3 years after I first started having the problem, I have finished my highschool via home courses. I am afraid to get a good job, because I have lost a few small ones due to sick days. Everyone around me seems to be against me, telling me to bite the bullet and pretend that I am fine.

So over time I have found the best equasion that I could; without venturing into more drugs from my doctor. I will smoke one joint made from oil I extract from pot using butain, smoke on in the morning one in the afternoon and one at night. aswell every third day I will take 1 T3. This has been the most succes in controling these headaches so far, though far from eliminating them.

What I am realy wondering, is there anyone else out there with a similar problem, and should I talk to my doctor more about medical marijuana?

I am canadian, so if anyone has any canadian information that I could look into; that would be great.

I apologize for bad grammer or spelling, I have had alot of trouble with school and literature, I just feel like the world rather see me stuffed away in the corner somewhere, than help me with my problems.

thanks everyone

First - welcome aboard M8
Canadians welcome!!

Your symptoms sound like a tough ride M8, and I wish I could offer more help. Unfortunately however I am not clued up on headaches like yours.....

But be patient, there are others here who may know more.

Have you tried making Bubble Hash - may be better not to run the risk of any impurities in your case?

All the best

Hello there :) im a canadian/brit living in the uk now :) getting away from the opresive governmet. i'm afraid i can't help u much though. t3's are called solpoldol over here, just paracetomol ( what u call acetomenophein) and 32mg of codeine. oh i think yours also have caffeine unfortunately in them too. and your right for your type of pain there are completely unsuitable in the long term, but if your like me, what can u do.
cannabis i don't think would help directly with the pain in the beginning. in my case it did not work as a instant pain killer until started taking lots of codeine. i stop taking codeine when i get better for the struggle to between pain, addiction, immunity and the lack of endorphines in your system afterwards which u noticed. its tough but its better than being in extreme pain all the time without a break which i have tried for long periods as well.
cannabis accelerates an enzyme called cytochrome2d6 that converts the codeine in your system to morpheine. at least a little bit :) so it greatly works well together.
It might help to reduce stress and anxiety, but some people get paranoid and its not for them. For me the relaxation of a spliff is just as good as the pain killing properties. :) i kind of subconsciously convert stress into pain.
i have a condition called fybromyalgia syndrome which no real objective tests can measure. i've been through hundreds of tests and still going through them but they never find anything..... not sure to be glad or sad for that though.... hoping for something that they might be able to do something about.
my condition started when i was about 6 with headaches and upset stomach and what i was told was growing pains in all my limbs, im nearly 26 now and im quite disabled.
i take other herbs and flowers now as painkillers to work others into the fold. they might help a bit but not too much. things like valarian root, skullcap, or poppies work great for making tees. i remember seeing a canadian website that sold poppy pods. i searched on google to get to it but i don't know it anymore. canada's not into herbology and homeopathy as much as england is but u should find somethings :)
if you go to doctors enough u soon realise that nobody knows better for yourself than yourself. if you've found a system that is working for u, even partially, its a start and its great :)
ohh were u from by the way? i was originally born in vancouver but moved to victoria for a while. and i've been here off and on for 12 years or so :) i can't stand the canadian government even if they are decriminalising it and its legal for medical use, theres still a million other things crap. :)
take care and good luck james :)

First thanks for your fast responce guys.


I live in Ontario, Close to Toronto. Alot of confusing news going around about the legal status of Marijuana.
I have to say I am overwelmed by the news I have been hearing, but I cannot see pot becomming completely legal over here yet.


I actualy have tried valarian root, skullcap. both of these seemed to make my headaches worse, I also have tried Feaverfew, which seemed to work for a short period, but than the headachs would come back.

I'v never tried poppy's i'd imagin they contain some sort of opiate. Cannot be worse than these T3's.

I donno what is up with me realy, other than the scinus infection so far all test have come up with nothing. Though there are more tests to be done. they seem to take forever to get to my place on the waiting lists. this has become somewhat discouraging.


Smoking pot might be some hopefull thinking aswell as some truth, maybe what you were saying about the enzime converting some of the codeine. it seems I will now get a day or 2 of rest from the headach, without a t3, just smoking the pot, but if its not addiction or something, I will get those days inbetween where I need it.

There has been so much negative critasizim toward me from my family, that I have become uncomforatble or feel wrong talking about this. Though I plan to change that


As for the method of consuming my marijuana. I have not tried bubble hash, and actualy only heard about it within the last few weeks; doing research on the net. What I also came across was the Vaporizer or BC vaporizer. I only read the advertisment, but they were claiming it was the cleanest way to smoke. This is quite interesting, because the smoking part is realy bothers me lately.

thanks again guys, I will keep tabs on this site. I plan to mention my self treatment to my doctor and see what he has to say.

Morning BD
Always important to remember with herbs is that they operate totally differently from conventional meds. They are rarely instant in effect, and you need to stay on them for up to three or maybe even six months to get the benefit. Some, like poppies, are instant; but Feverfew, for example, you need to take every day, as its effect is to stop headaches starting. I believe it takes about 12 - 18 weeks before it has built up in your system. Same goes for St. John's Wort - and that is a herb I cannot recommend highly enough. It has become well known recently as an anti-depressant, but it has good analgesic qualities too if taken every day - not like Tylex {T3's to you}, but rather a gentle reducing effect after about 3 months of use, plus it really does give more emotional and mental strength to handle pain with.
M8, I am very tempted to suggest you consult a serious dietician/herbalist. I suspect you may find your answer is in that dept. Today's foods are very poor nutrition, and this, IMHO, is the reason for so many of today's more puzzling ailments.
In the meantime: T3 - or Tylex as it is over here; I have been on these every day for about six years now. They suit me quite well, although I also use Pethidine to control break-through pain. With Codeine, the trick is to use it only as you need it. That way the effect is not diminished, and addiction is actually quite hard to attain. The most dangerous thing about them is the Paracetamol! I believe it stays forever in the sytem and is not exactly liver-friendly. I am going to ask my GP for straight Codeine soon, as I already use herbal anti-inflamms like White Willow Bark and Hempseed Oils so dont really need any Paracetamol.
All the best

welcome barnydan,


good luck m8, pain of any kind can really get you down.................

there's probably no need to tell you,but there can be many reasons for headaches....

low sugar levels,allergies,tension,caffeine,poor liver or kidney function,

low fluid intake,bad poture,strenuous activity arthritis in the neck,whiplash,

bright light's,grinding teeth or uneven bite,driving,eyestrain,hayfever..........

have you tried keeping a diary to see if a food or activity brings on attacks.......??????

eating small regular meals can help,as skipping meals causes a drop in sugar levels....

dehydration is a common cause of headaches also,drink plenty of water

and caffeine alters the blood supply to the brain.....but cut down slowly,

as withdrawal can cause headaches............

eat plenty of regular light meals(to prevent low suger levels)

eating plenty of avocados,nuts and seeds and cold-pressed vegetable oils....




good luck m8,

just remember your not alone, there are millions like you...


cheers




sr

First of all, welcome to UK420, we are all of one world!

Sorry to hear about your headaches. Can I suggest that your diet is looked at closely too. Most processed food is full of additives, too much salt and inferior ingredients and it may be worth you eliminating certain foods from your diet for a while to see if things improve. Also, trying to have regular meals (sorry to sound like your Mother............) with plenty of fruit & veg (organic if poss), with plenty of water throughout the day may well help deal within any poisons collected along the way. Don't also forget that tobacco smoking can cause a heaviness and dullness which make headaches worse. Giving up the real drug ie tobacco, may help in this respect also.
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Speaking with your doctor regarding your dope intake may help if you feel that he/she will not discourage you from finding your own form of relief. The tablets that these people dispense should have a very strict Government health warning on them! Research carefully any new medication they may want to put you on and find out what side effects they have. They seem to be peddling very bad medicine these days so be careful. Use the Internet to find out.

Apart from that, relax! Hope that they get better soon for you. Lemon & Ginger Herbal Tea is very pleasant when things get a tad nauseous when having a headache so this might be worth a try too.

Good luck

Lizzie

Hi there
Forgot to say.......

Hope that x-rays & scans have been/will be included in your barrage of tests, you should expect this.

Lizzie

Thanks you all for all you input, my doctor general tells me these are not what are causing my headaches, but he didn't think I had any scinus problems at first, and than we did find a scinus infection, and cleared it up.

yeah I'v had cat scans and Xrays, but my nurologist did not put me on the list for an MRI. Nothing was found in the xrays, and the scinus infection was found in the catscan. Still this was not the problem, just an additional problem they found along the way.

I have some blood work comming up so that should tell me about any thyroid or blood sugar problems.
I guess you guys have experienced this type of run around for longer than I have. My Doctor was not to impressed with the idea of using any type of herbal medicin. I'v never tried St Jhons wort for these migrains though. that is an interesting idea. I have tried Kava Kava, was on that stuff for about 3 weeks and noticed realy nothing. maybe a little more layed back in attitude but still had headaches.

thanks for all your imput, I'd love to find something that would eliminate these headaches even more.
I'v got myself stuck on the medical marihuana idea. If I could get my Doctors to give me a perscription, that would give me more freedome to experiment and realy see if this helps. Pluse eliminating any legal issues eliminates the stress of using marihuana.

I am not sure what I will do though. I will continue to go threw my doctors tests and trials and see where I get.

Thanks again.

I missed that last message. I do drink alot of water, I always seem to be dehidrated, always. I carry around a poutch with 2 1 liter bottles of water. I was drinking pop for a while, but that was making my headaches worse, so its been water for months and months now.

I have to addmit, eating habbits are hard to keep regular, I eat 2 meals a day, and I genarly have eggs in the morning and beef potatoes and a veggy for supper. I have alot of trouble figuring out what to eat. Maybe that is one area I should put more concentration on.

hey there barnydan .... im from ontario also .. and well ive suffered from migraines all of my life .. but one thing i can say is that smokin has almost stopped them ... i have a fairly good doc and as he put it .. if it helps .. use it .. ive been on all kinds of meds .. legal and they worked but when i took them i couldnt ... also have found that eggs , peanut butter , chocolate and a few other things can trigger them .. well for me anyway
but as someone said previously .. it takes time for canibis to work .. i find a joint a day keeps mine away ..

take care .. hope it helps

Eggs! You know I eat alot of eggs, and on ocasion I will go a time period without eating them. At those times I was sure that my headaches had decreased. Everyone I have talked to about this food trigger said they could not see eggs being any concern.

This is very interesting indeed.

I am going to try other meds aswell from my doc see what else he has to offer. I am not sure if I should aproach my doctor about medical marihuana. I don't realy know the restrictions about going to other doctors. Maybe if my doctor does deny me, I might beable to talk to your doctor.

I Think I will keep you all posted in this thread how things go.

I would definitaly like to stay in touch with anyone in my area. Thanks for your responce tellno1, your giving me more hope.

thanks again everyone.

no problem barnydan ... i know what its like to suffer from migrains .. and as i said im in ontario also .. just a bit away from london .. hope you get a handle on it

take care

I see this board does not give use the option to pm or e-mail each other, though the buttons are there. I thought I would just put my e-mail adress up.


I'v come across alot of info, and it is quite a historical time here in ontario.

I'm going to goto toronto on the 19'th and see people smokin joints in front of the Toronto Police station.

All very inspiring.

I also hav come across compassion clubs, this is a very good idea, public help each other, end the wait for the government and doctors to get their act together. And Generat Positive awareness.

I am thinking I would be interested in starting one of these compasion clubs. I am not doing a whole lot right now, and do need something to do where people understand my codition so I will not be pushed far beyond myself when I am suffering.

Send me an e-mail if you are interested in consulting with me about this idea. We need 5 people to start out with. I am sure there are alot of people about to come out of the woodwork, looking for compasion clubs. Like myself.

thanks guys.

Edit by Ot1, Barny please no posting open email addresses on this board. Once you have been a member here for a bit the email and PM system will come live for you.

PM and email are disabled for a while to deter Trolls - sorry sometimes a small few spoil things for others!

I would really advise removing your email address from the public board man - very dangerous stuff!!

Thankyou OT1, and Splan, for the quick response.
Please watch your security peeps - its an unfriendly world, still......

hello there

having been cleared by ent and neurologist , i would reccoment a food and chemical intolerance test .these are block interdermal antigens and a control .those that create red areas itching or uticaria are often the main causes of intolerance.

also some people do not test positive but get to know after an elimination diet which foods not to put together
often milk and wheat cause problems together but are tolerated seperately...

please get your doc to refere you a toxicologist or immunological specialist

mj

Ok, I shall request this from my doctor.



I also find long walks will sometimes reduce my headaches or prevent them from comming on, I am going to tell my doctor about this aswell.

I always seem to have a bit of a headache, and I can tell by how it feels and know when a bad headache is comming.


Thanks

hi bd,

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I see this board does not give use the option to pm or e-mail each other, though the buttons are there.

once your post count is up, your email and pm will be activated...............

it to protect you aswell as us...................


good luck at the dr's




cheers

sr

hey bd
i know just where your commin from .. walks do help .. for me I think its the fresh air and dont have to concentrate on anything . i hope you can find out why you get them .. its been a battle for me over the years to get rid of them .. although like you i always have a bit of one ... they would build over the coarse of a week then dang even my hair hurt .. any sound would make it worse .. couldnt even work no concentration .. the doc always had a pill i could take or a shot but heck i hated that .. so now i watch what i eat and always end my day with a bit of the green .. enableing me to sleep too which was a bonus

take care

Hi

Here is a couple of storys about this subject headaches

Snoring linked to headaches

Scientists have discovered a link between snoring and headaches.
Tests on patients in the United States have found that people who suffer from regular headaches are also more likely to snore at night.

However, they are unable to say whether snoring triggers headaches or whether headaches cause people to snore.

Nevertheless, the discovery could provide scientists with further clues for helping people who suffer from severe headaches.

Regular headaches

Scientists at the US National Institute on Aging studied 206 people between the ages of 18 and 65 who had suffered from chronic daily headaches for five years or less. They were compared to 507 people who only suffered from occasional headaches.

Chronic daily headache was defined as people with at least 15 headaches each month while occasional headache was defined as between two and 104 headaches per year.

In this study, those with chronic daily headache suffered an average of 260 attacks each year. Those with occasional headaches had an average of 24 headache days per year.

The participants were asked how often they snored. The researchers found that patients with chronic daily headache were twice as likely to also be chronic snorers compared to those who only suffered from headaches occasionally.

The result was the same even when adjusting for factors that can affect breathing in sleep, such as body weight and alcohol intake.

The researchers said further study is needed to determine why people who suffer from chronic daily headaches are more likely to snore.

"The headaches could be causing the snoring or the snoring could be causing the headaches, or both," said Dr Ann Scher, who led the research.

"Chronic headache can result in disturbed sleep and sedating medications used to treat pain can aggravate sleep-disordered breathing.

"On the other side, sleep deprivation or excessive sleep can trigger migraine attacks in some people."

But Dr Scher added that the discovery could help scientists to develop treatments for people who suffer from chronic headaches.

"If we can show that the snoring is causing the headaches, then we may be able to stop or lessen people's headaches by treating their snoring," she said.

"This would be a great relief to people who suffer from chronic daily headache."

Dr Peter Goadsby of The Headache Group at the Institute of Neurology in London, said chemical changes in the brain may trigger headaches.

"People who have problems sleeping at night may also retain carbon dioxide. This causes chemical changes in the blood which in turn can cause headaches," he told BBC News Online.

The study is published in the journal Neurology.

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Surgery saves headache girl

A Cornish teenager whose rare condition kept her bedridden for nearly five years has undergone a successful life-saving operation in America.
Alison Eyers has suffered excruciating headaches every time she stood or sat up since the age of 13.

Her condition, called benign intracranial hypertension, forced her to remain lying down.

But well-wishers in her home town of Truro paid for her to fly to the United States to receive the expensive treatment to get her on her feet again.

Speaking from Alison's hospital bedside, her mother, Jacqui Eyers, said: "She can stand up without a headache at the moment for the first time in five years.

"It's incredible. In the past nothing got rid of her headaches, not even huge doses of morphine."

Alison's rare illness reduced the amount of fluid acting as a cushion between her brain and skull.

It meant the slightest movement caused the 18-year-old intense pain.

Morphine doses

Doctors recommended high doses of morphine and later steroids to make the condition bearable, but this in turn caused extreme weight gain.

Alison's condition went undiagnosed for over four years until last summer, when doctors finally located tiny holes in the membrane surrounding her spinal column which allowed fluid to leak out.

Because no treatment was available in the UK, Alison's family decided to send her to the Cedars-Sinai Neurological Institute in Los Angeles.

Her grandmother, Beryl Wilson, from Truro, said: "We either had to go to America or we would have been at her funeral by now."

Expensive treatment

The residents of Truro raised over £32,000 in only five weeks to pay for the expensive treatment, and the teenager was flown out to the US on a stretcher.

Last week, Alison underwent an operation to mend tiny holes in the durra - a membrane surrounding the spinal cord - in a bid to stop fluid draining away.

Alison is soon to be discharged from hospital.

She will recuperate in Los Angeles until the end of March.

Bongme

Oh man, I'v had one terrible day today. these last 3 days I'v had a worse headache than I had for about a week. Today though, the bad one struck.

a little different than usual though, I had 2 episodes lasting for about 30min each. the first one seemed to be a line of pain that ran from my sholder blade, up the left side of the back of my head, across the side of my head and into my eye. My Vision was fine though I didn't look at anything realy cuz the pain of focusing. I came out of that one and I felt flushed. My headache had reduced less than it had been for the last 3 days though after that intence attack.

I thought maybe what ever happened maybe it was gona ease off for a while. So I sat down and fired on the TV, there was a documentry type movie on the discovery channel on human evolution, I wanted to see this show. well I got almost threw the whole 2 hours, than in one second there was a line of pain on the left side of my head. This second headache was about the worst one I'v ever experienced I lost my balance and layed down on the ground, though that made matters worse, so I got up walked around, it was still getting worse. I layed down on bed tosed around quite abit as the pain seemed to puls from time to time. "not with my heart beat though". I couldn't take it, it was excrutiating, at this time I had all the lights and sound and everything turned off in the house. I stumbled into the washroom without turning on the lights, and ran my head undercold water, that shocked me quite a bit, but didn't do anything for the headache, so now I am shivering and in pain with my shirt off, so I stumble back into my room and lay down, than about 5min after that, it just instantly stoped as quickly as it hit. I was covered with sweat after this second headache. Now it is 11:00pm and I thought I would post this.

and right now I have less of a headache than I had for weeks.

I didn't take any medication at all today either, because I was feeling pretty sick yesterday plus the headache and nothing seemed to make it deminish, and the T3 just made me ill. So today I thought I would tough it out, than got hit with these 2 suprise headaches.

I am also going to take a copy of what I wrote here to my doctor. I donno if these symptoms tell anyone anything, but I would give almost anything for these to go away. I want a life back.

I am going to the doctor tomarow, and I will probly come home with another type of medication, but maybe I will get some releife. :\

well BD, my sympathies to you - sounds like a tough ride you are one.
You first headache: Sounded very familair to me - but I suspect for different causes. Mine stems from having spinal stenosis in the neck region and crumbling discs. But surely your Medics have checked for any cervical problems like these?
Accupuncture {Chinese or Indian, but not Western unless trained properly} will almost certainly bring relief, but find the best practitioner you can. Real Accupuncture has analgesic properties that drugs and their makers can only dream of.

-just chiming in to add my support for AL's advice about acupuncture - avoid the "pain clinic" acupuncture available through the NHS - its a dangerous cut-down form of the real thing (a good analogy is an acupuncturist doing a two week course in "conventional medicine" - and then going berserk with heroin- useful in the right hands, but lethal in the hands of the inexperienced!) I've used chinese acupuncture for twenty years, and it never stops amazing me.
In acupuncture terms, it sounds like you have blockage of energy in one or more meridians - easily unblocked with a bit of nifty needling! I assure you that the effects can be deep and profound - my daughter had a "grumbling" appendix sixteen years ago - she had four treatments, during which he explained that chinese medicine regards operating on an appendix as usually unnecessary, and barbaric - instead he "drained stagnant energy" from her - she still has her appendix, and it hasn't grumbled since!
Good luck to you mate - just because the conventional drug doctors can't find an answer doesn't mean there isn't a cure - if the drug companies can't sell you something profitable, they'll deny the disease exists, or decry the alternatives, which are often effective, and definitely safer!

I know a Chiropractor in my area, that does acupunture. Only place I'v ever heard of it being done.
you guys think he would be good?

he also does masage.

thanks.

I feel pretty good today. just a little headache again.

- a visit to your chiropractor/acupuncturist could be a great move - if he's any good, he may well fix the problem for you - the main thing is he shouldn't make it worse! Good alternative practitioners will usually refer you to another therapist if your problem responds better to other natural therapies - good luck!
I've certainly heard of symptoms like yours being due to spinal problems, so seems a good place to start!

anyone heard of petasites.???????
and a search on thesame site for headaches



sr

Never heard of Petasites before, but I read the page that you linked to.
I am very interested!

I realy want to get away from this codeine "solpoldol over there", I seem to be taking more and more.

I think I will take a trip down to a few Herbal and Natural health stores tomarow, see if I can find this herb and see if they have more info on doses and success and failure stories.

thanks.

a list of some numbers for Massage Therapy (CANADA)


sr

barnydan

I've been following this thread with interest and it seems you sre stuck. There seems to be a lot of good advice from the crew here, especially about things like diet. I suffer headaches from normal routine things such as work because of my chronic pain and what I have found that helps me is this:

1. Get off all those horrible drugs the doctors seem so desperate to prescibe for us.
2. Check your diet and do away with any caffine, alcohol and check the chemicals put in the food you eat.
3. Posture, make sure that your not sitting at your PC with a shoulders forward, neck bent up angle looking at your screen. Your screen is better either straight in front of your eyeline or looking down. Bad PC posture causes all kinds of problems because we lose ourselves and can finish up sitting there for hours. This goes for driving, as well as sitting in front of the TV.
4. Not trying to be funny here, get your eyes tested somewhere different from the last place if you have already been tested. I'm long sighted, so my PC work needs glasses.
5. Be really honest with yourself about stress and anxiety. It is not a weakness, it is a fact of life that some people can cope with extreme stress, while others suffer from the slightest intrusion or comment.
6. Try some meditation, and other Eastern alternative therapies.
7. Smoke or vaporise some weed, and relax with it. Stick some of your fav music on, lie down on your back with a pillow under your neck, and go with the flow. Try a little weed often, and don't be tempted to have to much in one go, trying to get a major hit. I find that cannabis is a state of mind, not just a chemical and you have to relax into it.
8. Avoid odours like perfume, after shave and deodrants.

I have found that the weed makes me far more relaxed. It helps me evaluate "honestly" what is going on in my life. Sometimes the physical pain is a reflection of the emotional pain, and that might be where your answer lies.

Regards and best wishes

Hi,

Just to add my own experience, I have suffered for years with terrible headaches. I have always believed they are migraine although I have never had that confirmed. I always tend to get them towards the end of the week. I have sort of put them down to stress build up or possible eye strain.

I have in the last year really managed to reduce my headaches from 1 or 2 a week to perhaps 1 a month or even less. Some things I have tried to reduce my headaches are:

Ensure I drink 2 litres of water everyday.
Cut out soft drinks.
More conscious of what I eat, I try and eat more fresh food rather than processed stuff with loads of added shit.
Also I have cut out the amount of time I spend stuck in front of the idiot box (TV).

I have tried many things over the years. I suppose it's a case trying things out to see what works for you. As for spliff with a headache if I have a one when I feel the headache coming on it can really help, if I have one when the headache is full on it usually makes it worse!

just found this ................ HEADACHE ATTRIBUTED TO OR ASSOCIATED WITH SUBSTANCES OR THEIR WITHDRAWAL

hey bd just wonderin how everything is going ... i see there is lots of people helpin and hopefully some of what has been discussed will help with those headaches ..

take care

Yesterday I had the fatest morocain hash uv ever seen from this guy and one girl brought some turquish bud and was fat too. And ended up with a fat headache ,when the effects started to ware off. Now it could of been the heat and the lack of water/munchies, but stil ....

Detoxed

Hello everyone.

these last few weeks have not been to bad. I had alot of work to do and catch up on so I have not been online or on my computer. I think my overall health is improving due to the life style changes I have made to accomidate these headaches, and my eating habbits are changing, I am trying to eliminate any processed foods, and other foods that I happen to eat before I get a major headach.

Last week I picked up a nice bag of bud from a friend, after 3 days of smoking this bud I felt somewhat unmotivated or week. At this same time I have not had a headach this week, well some small ones, but nothing that has goten in my way.

I have been taking Advil Cold and scinus for the minor headaches I get, and this stuff seems to work well. Its Ibuprofiene and Sudophed, over the counter medicin.

I have been back to my Family Doctor to talk more about my headaches, and that the last medication was just making me sick. We talked about the tests that came up with nothing wrong, and the nurologists finding nothing wrong. He told me, in his opinion he figures its a stress or anxiety issue. His 2 sugested solutions were other migrain medications or anti depresants, he said he would perscribe what ever I wanted of those 2. I told him my wories of adiction or illness from medication, and asked if there could posibly be anything that was overlooked, I named off a few things that I don't remember exactly right now.

He told me that he could send me to a headach specialist in Toronto. I told him I should see this specialist, because I feel very confused about what the problem could be, I have real pain that is for sure.

So this is the next thing I have to wait for. See what this Headache specialist has to say.

I know this waiting for apointments and than waiting in the doctors office for 2 or 3 house after my apointment time, is definitaly not helping my headaches.

I am still not sure if I want to mention Medical marijuana to my doctor yet, all other angles should be covered I realy don't know what is causing these headaches, and if there is a way to cure the problem, than I would defintaly want to go that direction. I don't want to be pawned off as some loser trying to use the system, and have to suffer even longer.

Truth be told, I do find the best releif is certain strains of marijuana alone or with other pain medicin. I think the muscle relaxing effects of marijuana are what helps alleviate my headaches.

Though I have found marijuana that still smells green, burns to a black ash or even just some strains. Do not help my headaches and in cases can make them worse. I think this is mainly atributed to poor growing or drying.

I'd also like to tell you guys; I am probly not going to take anymore Codeine "T3's" I stoped taking them a week or 2 ago, prettymuch after that last major headache. They have a temporary releif, maybe good only for those days when I have the major attack, I have been taking alot of these advil cold and scinus, they seem to work well along with marijuana for the daily headaches.

Maybe this headache specialist can shed more light on the cause of these headaches, but for now I have a solution that seems to be working. I still don't feel good, but not disabled or in agoney, so I will see how things go.

thanks again everyone.

Nah then barnydan
Thanks for the update, good to hear you are getting somewhere - albeit slowly, but hey better slow than standstill!
Your experience confirms a theory of mine: with medicinal cannabis, strain is a highly individual thing. get it wrong and the weed can be useless, but also the opposite thank the Godess!
All the best M8 with your consultations; keep us posted

hi there

just an add-on......... Take a tad of time while you wait for these appointments to consider whether there are any conflicts of interests between your heart and your mind. Exceedingly simplistic it seems. On one level, are you working in a chicken factory when you are a vegetarian or living in Canada when you want to live in India.......or something far far more subtle than this. Headaches can often occur when the two are not in harmony or when there are unresolved (emotional?) issues that perhaps on the surface do not normally manifest in a headache. Good luck with the tests. Hope that you find some answers to your suffering.

Lizzie

yes barnyard dan .. thanks for the update .. hope you can get to the bottom of whats wrong .. as for the different strains .. ive found they do make a difference .. mostly indica stains dont do as well as a stavia for my headaches .. but your right could be the way they were dried or maybe not even flushed to begin with .. i do hope someone can help you get rid of the dang things ..

take care

ooopppssss sorry bout the spellin of your name barnydan .. donno what i was thinking .. heck i think i need another toke or 2

take care

Hello again.

Its been a while since i been to this site. My headaches have climaxed and than eased off considerably since the last time I made a post.

Watching the news here in Canada, sounds like things are getting better and better for the medical marijuana users, or to obtain a perscription.

I have not been back to my doctor since the last visit back in july, my doctor was supposed to get ahold of me with the headach specialist apointment date and never has. So I think I must deem my doctor incompetent.

Like I said in my last post 3 or 4 months back, I have quit taking T3's and any other medication I got from my doctor. And know any other over the counter medicin does not touch these headache, generaly they make them worse.

Small amounts of cannabis seem to be my only releif still, exept for the loss of motivation. Though these headaches have taken away all my motivation, when I smoke a little cannabis, I just feel like sitting around.

a friend of mind gave me a couple Perkasets, he was in a care accident and now takes these on a regular basis for nerve damage. Sure enough for the couple days I took those little suckers, I was headach free, and almost felt like myself again. It was a great experience. But Perkasets are supposed to be realy detrimental to our health, so this is no solution at all that I can even consider sugesting to my doctor.

At the time being, I try not to be to active, and definitaly don't stay up to late. Lack of sleep causes me great agoney the next day, realy bad migrains.

so i have found that certain types of stress do make these headaches worse. drinking also makes my headaches worse.

I don't think any doctor would give me a prescription for medical marijuana for the problems I have. So I have not asked, and this realy has not turned out to be an overall solution.

I am hoping to get a new doctor to check me out, and I am going to see if I can get a specialist to check out my back, and get to this headach specialist.

I'd like to know if there is anything physicaly wrong with me, before I accept that I will have to be on medication for the rest of my life.


thanks everyone, hope your all still around.

well it has been a few months again since my last post. I think I have lost everyone who was following my posts, due to long periods of time between posts.

Basicaly i am posting each time I go threw another apointment with another doctor or 2.

I went to see this pain specialist. He checked out my back and neck a little bit, and told me my neck was moving slightly iregularly.

He sent me off to another MD who specialized in back and neck disorders, and this doctor told me that it was definitaly my neck and back causing these headaches. My neck is so stiff I cannot turn it from one side to another. Supposed to beable to turn my head from chin over right shoulder to chin over left soulder and than touch my chest with my chin. This just causes me Agoney!

So I have a bunch of exersizes I am supposed to do to help straiten and stengthen my neck and back.

I'v been put on Amitriptyline 20mg, This medicin has done more for me than any other medication from other doctors. I actualy wake up without a headach in the morning now.

Since I started taking this medication my life has been comming back tonormal, and I'v began working again for a land Development company. "just low end joe boy work for now" I am not supposed to work with heavey machienery with this medication.

Unfortunatly although I have all this good news about my health, This may be a condition that will not disapate, and I still get headache attacks out of the blue, that are pretty much as bad as the ones I used to get 24/7.

I'm going back to My General Pysisian today, in about 3 hours from now, to tell him about this.

I was given anti inflamitory medicatoin for the ocasion where I had a realy bad headache, but that medicin just makes me sick instantly.

So I am back to where I started, smoking a joint to ease off the attacks, and resting untill they ease off.


So thats my present situation, if my doctor has anything more to tell me after this apointment, I will probly post it here.

For now, thanks everyone.

I would advise you to keep a food diary and see how much dairy fods you injest, dairy/lactose /galactose intolerance /allergy can and do cause sinus problems rhinitus and headaches of varies intensity......

try to avoid dairy foodstuffs and watch for hidden lactose in commercial foodstuffs and take aways

avoid monosodium glutamate.....another headacher

plenty of liquids and fresh wholefood diet

good luck and if the headaches get worse ask you doc to run some allergy tests for you ,the interdermal ones give the best results

the amyltripiline is a very usefull drug for spine and cervical disease processes

have you been x rayed for impingment , ankylosis spondulitis, arthritis , also agravated by dairy intake

i use the same drug and dose to stop the spinal shunts .....this works for now and the side effect was my no migrainal headaches reduced in quantity




mj

Top advice MJ

one other thing I would like to mention to anyone reading this post. I stated in the past that some strains releive my headaches where others do nothing or can even make them seem worse, all depending on the strain I smoke.

Some locals have been working with me, and earging me to talk to my doctors about medical marijuana, I only need 1 specialist to sign the forms and I could send them in or have imediate access to the compasion clubs.

I am still hesitant though, with the confusion on this subject in Canada right now, I am so unsure what the outcome could be if I even mention this. I don't want my doctors to cut me off, I do need help.

Anyhow the strains I have found usefull so far are.

Bubble Gum, this strain has varied a bit from one supplier to another, but is #1

Shiskaberry x Honey bud, a friend of mine gave me some of this, very flavorfull, mild euphoric effects but good pain killer.

Blue Berry, this one is to potent, I feel to messed up to even work, but it does reduce the headaches.

Other sugestions would be apreciated, although I am at the mercy of my friends and dealers. most Mexican pot does nothing for me.

Thanks again everyone, take good care of your health! its all we have.

Thanks for such a fast responce MJ. I'm glad to find someone who is taking the same medication. I know its definitaly helping. but I was concerned about it, afer reading all of its side effects and its uses.

I have actualy prettymuch cut out all dair products "Especialy eggs if that is dairy" I like milk, so that is a hard one to stop indulging in, but I will lay off it for a month to see what happens.

Eggs though, I'v felt that every time I eat em, I get a cripeling migrain. :\ So I just quit eating eggs and well I still kept getting migrains, but I wasn't worieing about eggs causing them anymore. But I seem to recall getting a headache about 20min after eating eggs. :\


My doctors apointment is today at 3:30 so I may have some more info to post later on here. Thanks very much.

the eggs could be a problem due to the feed they are on, try and find some healthy organic outlets .they can also tell you whats in any extra feedstuffs .....good luck mj

aint read up through all thee posts but i used to get headaches/migranes constantly as a teen,
doctors blamed my diet, then stress, then i was making them up
they the doctors sent me to a specialist who still didnt have a clue and put me on these tiny lil tablets cant remember name but 2 in morning 1 on a night and contain a steroid :S
these worked for the first month or so then it was back on's Paramax and my mums tranquiliser type things, oh n ibuprofen did the trick for a while

long story short, i reckon it was sinus related as now i have no sence of smell apart from the odd occasion or a nasty smeel gets stuck there for weeks and my headache return much more sparsely now



Chop

BD, your symptoms sound very familiar. I have "Stenosis" of the spine, top to bottom. So I hope they at least x-ray and preferably CAT scan your spine to check for this and the other things MJ mentioned.
Glad the Amitryp works for you. I found it too much of a downer, left me very depressed.
Bubblegum huh? And Blueberry...... Hmmmm, might have to give these a try. My current favourite for analgesia is Flying Dutchmen's Pot of Gold.

my partner suffers severe migraines,
she finds that hash helps the pain more than most bud,
because the higher CBD content is better for killing the migraines...

Hello again. Its been a very long time since I last visited.

Its hard to beleive years have gone buy, since I started getting these headaches. I would never have thought its been almost a year since my last post.

I'm still taking the amitriptaliene. I guess over this period of time, I have accepted this as the best solution without anymore agrivation. I went back to my regular doctor a couple more times to discuss my situation. The last apointment, my doctor wanted to wait and see how I progressed on this medication.

Arnold Layne I think I see what ya mean about this amitriptaliene, I seem to be a little more edgy these days, and I have less energy. Though I may have become depressed due to the changes in my life.

I had realy hoped to get my life back together. After I started with this medicin, there has been a tremendious improvement in my ability to work and keep it together.

I seem to only get headaches once or twice a week now, they are still quite cripeling, though I can generaly lay down and wait untill they pass.

I was tired and exausted from running around seeing all these doctors and specialists, and I wasn't sure if maybe this problem was going to let up. It has been many many months now, and my situation has not improved any further, nor has it goten any worse.


Arnold Layne if your still around, I havn't had an x-ray or catscan of my back yet. Your sugestion has got me thinking. I'v bought a better bed because I get a sore back easily, and my back is always cracking when I move. Are these symptoms of a spinal problem. I hope not. I never discussed these problems with my doctors, I never gave it much thought.

thanks again everyone