hello likeminded people, this is my first post i am generally after some advice.

i have grown a couple of jack flash plants before from bag seeds but it was all a very thrown together operation and i lucked out and got some nice smoke, but it was far too obvious so i packed it in..... ok am i the only one whos sick of buying this crap thats double weight with either water or silica??? ive given up on all my dealers and have decided to look after myself once again!
ok so onto the plan.....

i have a desk that measures 4"2 long, about 3" high and just over 2" back tawards the wall, once dismantled and rebuilt my way it should be 8 square feet (correct me if im wrong). would this be a feesable spot for a sea of green? what kind of kit am i going to need for this? im on a fairly tight budget and thought an envirolite would be good for both wallet and heat issues in such small space, is that a reasonable assumtion? also i need to eliminate the smell, probably with a carbon filter and a 120mm pc fan, how big a filter will i need for this kind of setup? and the question of all questions..... what strain do i use!?!?!?

i was hoping to convert a pc case into a "nursery" of sorts for my cuttings and im yet to find a place for the mother (or grow a mother for that matter) but my general plan was to put the cuttings in one a week, straight onto flowering so 1 in then 1 more and so on until its one in and one out with a bit of luck; and also with help from my friends some other strains in there now and again as wildcards

im not 100% sure what i expect in reply to this, be it " noob " or " nice idea " chuck it at me, i wanna cut mistakes down to a minimum

thanks much for reading all that bolix!

BiG

Every question you asked has already been answered. You have to search the forum. It's all there in the stickies. So if you don't receive much responses, that's why.

you could use a couple of enviros in there but if you want to use a cf then your going to need a proper fan. should be able to get a 100mm fan and filter for £80-90. If you dont have decent aif flow your results will more than likely be poor.

Agreed, you simply cannot get a carbon filter for a PC fan. As Erbivore says you will need a proper growroom extractor fan if you are going to want to run a carbon filter with it.

H.T.

blimey if id know the first response was guna be " us the search function" id have stayed at home! ive been using the search on this forum for about the last 7 hours trying to get myself up to speed and no matter what word i put in the keyowrds it brings up pretty much the same results, every question anybody could think of has been answered, shall we lock the forum then ?!?!

thanks for ur words Erbivore and HT, ill keep my eyes open for a filter and fan combo at least they will fit perfectly even if it does cost every penny i have, and why dont pc fans work? too fast or too slow?

i darent ask anymore questions god forbid someone else may have spoken on the same subject! korgan uve been here less than a month friend and u have 28 posts, so what did u ask that nobody else could have possibly thought of ? or do all 28 of them say "use search function"

BiG

Hey mate dont worry about krogan his topics were also 1's that have already been asked a 1000 times just the same as half the people on here including me, the search engine can be a little tricky to get used to and find wat u want.

Anyway as has been said a proper fan n filter is really needed for extraction n u'll be able to use enviros no bother but u should maybe consider trying a 250W hps better efficency and the heat wont be that different.

Ur height could cause u some problems tho with only 3 ft it will be tight by the time u take into account the pot and the distance the plants need to be from the light its not leavin u with much room to grow in at all

nice one dude, feel better already!

ok as far as carbon filters go, been looking at home made ones etc, but in terms of an extractor fan, how much air am i hoping to move per minute through the filter?

in a sea of green setup is a plant per square foot a safe bet ? im not sure of the strain im going to try, i want strawberry cough but dont know how well it works on sea of green or how easily it clones, or the yield prospect for that matter.

but im fairly easy i dont mind what i grow as long as its not white widow or northern lights as alot of people i know are growing these strains and i want something differant. got 5 great white shark seeds here, maybe i should start with them

yeah the height was my main concern aswell, its going to be tight but i think it will work, just about. that was the main reason i was planning an enviro becuase of the heat and the plants proximity to the light. if worst comes to worst i can always make it a bit bigger, its just very stealthy at this size and fits in well! ill look into the hps idea as well, how close can you get to those 250s when they are warm, i remember my 400 was like having the sun in my cupboard!! thanks for ur reply mate

Because they are not powerful enough to be run with a carbon filter and they are not the right size aswell.


Yes, that is a safe bet, aslong as the plants arn't going to get to tall.


Yes I would as seen as you have them already.

H.T.

Hey mate i've read of people managing to get there 250 HPS as close as 6-7" , its a common mistake that people think that say 250 watts of enviro is less heat than 250 watts of hps.

Either way 250w of any light is goin to give of the same heat.

As H.T said 1 Sq Ft is sound but of course height is an issue, so U'll need to stick to a really compact plant so stick to indicas i would say, or u could look at lowryders or somethin like that but alot of people slag them of but i've seen some nice grows using them.

If you only have 3' height then HPS is out of the question really.

SOG is only viable if you use HPS IMO. SOG and enviros won't work as the light does not penetrate further than a few inches.

You WILL need a proper inline duct fan and filter no matter what - that's a given DIY filters work fine, but you'll still need to shell out for a proper fan.

To light that space with enviros will be very innefficient I reckon you'd need 3x200W enviros (1x blue 2x red) to get a decent yield from your 8 sq feet.

Keep asking those questions mate - the answers will come

B



This has been argued to death - enviros in real life effectively DO run cooler than equivalent wattage HPS. Just take my word for it.... and if not then do a search and find out for yourself

I specialise in growing in tiny awkward spaces with enviros - click sig to see what can be done

Word.

You're right man. I could have been more helpful.

Actually, the first response I got from the forum pretty much went along the lines of "you're a retard". So your first experience was a lot better than mine.

hehe dont worry about it bro, we all live and learn!

im guna have a lil measure up and work out all my options then hopefully ill report back with some photos and mark 2 ideas later on!

ill have a proper read of the thread you mentioned later on blab, looks pretty relevant to what im trying to do, thanks!

BiG

wow ur bonzai thread is obseen blab, you look like the man from whom to draw some inspiration, but 43 pages dude.... i like the idea of the bondage pot aswell (nice name by the way) made me think maybe i should try some angular growing myself, seems ideal for my limited space,

ah and i have chopped (not literally) it down from 4x2" to 3x2" so i have a little box on the end for drying which i thought might make the enviro viable, for 6 instead of 8, assuming its light angles that are the problem with them?? i can still go back to full size if i need to though

i will be buying a good quality filter as soon as i can, a very small one should do the job for this little cupboard right ? oh yeah and i have been offered cheese cuttings, so no need for the seeds, good strain to try in this little box you think ?

if im missing the point completely maybe you have some suggestions as to what i can do with the space i have, as its really my only option, my only other real constraints are that i smell proof it and can put the cuttings in one at a time at interval, aside from that ill do what it takes to get the job done!

thanks for ur comments guys great help all round!
sorry about the double post i couldnt find the edit button >.<

BiG

Dont underestimate the Enviro's

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thats a very reassuring picture sheriff nice one! do you have a diary? im about to go through some in the name of ideas!

@ blab: are you still using the jacobs own carbon filter in this thread http://www.uk420.com/boards/index.php?show...rbon+filter?was just wondering if you could tell me how much resistance it gives your fan?

im thinking about adding a little bit of height to my box now so it should all be good for space with a bit of luck, might even try some diesel lowryders to test my methods, if they hit the top i know im in the shit!

BiG

yep, the jacobs cracker box filter is still rocking

Best bit of advice I can give is spend as much time as possible planning and sorting your grow space before you put anything in it. Make sure it's fully tested and working i.e. proper temps and light proofing etc before you put plants any where near it

Good luck!

B

yeah thats the plan, been reading this forum all week, the big construction starts tomorrow! just gotta hope i can find a good hydro shop now! got a couple of friends to help me there though, ill post up some pics once ive made some progress thikning about a diary in fact, heres hoping i can find my camera lead