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mam
Hi Growndome,

To clarify, I mean that Lowryder 2's, and all associated auto-flowering strains (original LR, master low, powerstout, auto-ak47, etc.) will happily go through their entire life cycle under 18 hours of light a day. Unlike 'normal' cannabis strains, flowering is not triggered by a change in light cycle, rather is just happens after they reach a certain age (usually about 19 days).

So you could start off sowing, say, 4 seeds, and after they'd geminated start them under an HPS or Flourescent tube set to 18 hours on, 6 hours off. At around day 14-17 you check for males and remove (and presumably kill) them. The remaining girls will then start flowering at around day 19 without any change in the light regime.
Around day 30-32, you can then stick another 4 seeds on in the same space. 14-17 days later you remove the males from this new batch, leaving you with two more females. Assuming you got a 50/50 female/male split both times, at this point you have 2 female plants fairly late in flowering, and two just starting to flower. Once you get to day 65 for the first plants, harvest them and use the space you've got back to plant another four seeds.. And so it goes on. Without any need to change light cycle, you can have one area housing multiple plants at different stages of development.

Infact, the only separate area you need is the one for the freshly harvested buds to dry and cure. I'd also advise you not to store any of the fertilizers or other chemical solutions in the grow room under the potentially hot lights, but that's probably obvious.

I would also strongly advise you buy a calender or use a calender program (you might want to use coded phrases if you're worried about stealth) on a computer to keep track of the two different simultaneous grows, or it might get a bit confusing.

The only thing that complicates this setup is if you want seeds when you've got females at two different stages of development, as you need to separate the males or they'll pollinate both sets of females. This does require a separate area for atleast a few days so they can mature and release their pollen, but once that's done, they can be killed and the collected pollen can be applied using one of several methods to your chosen female without fear of them all becoming pollinated.

Hope that helps.
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Hi that is interesting i also am tight for space and that if i can manage it will be grate to have a go. This will be my second grow first one turned out to be male from bag seed and i made the mistake of taking cuttings before sexing them I'm a newbie to growing cannabis so its a learning curb and i thoroughly enjoyed it they did root and was happy that i gave it a try. wink.gif
SHEEPY
i fuc ing hate fem's at the mo russian.gif i is really pissed of with em i got some good genetics as well (or so i thought) greenhouse white widow and lemon skunk and most of them sprouted but not one not even one little green leaf not one fuck it the thing that really pissed me off was that i got some free seeds with then and four out of five live very nicely in deed and they were regular seeds not feminized like the failers i think they were to hard or something?????????
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spider62
OK guys now i am just confused i am just about to start my first grow indoors [well actually my second fucked up my first one] just finishing setting up my grow space, but after reading this thread it has left me feeling like a total knob 34.gif
I have just bought 20 LR2's costing £37 per pack of 10 and 1 pack of 5 FEMINISED Jorge's Diamonds#1 costing £47.50.
After reading the discussion between Owderb, Arnold Layne, Lizard and Vic Viper, i discover i am going to have a cupboard full of hermies and male LR2's after spending out over £120 on seeds not to mention the £400 plus i have
spent on setting up the grow space ahhhhhhhhhhh russian.gif
I did fell a little better reading Vic Vipers opinion on LR2's thanks Vic, but i still feel a bit disheartened, i mean am i wasting my time and money? The reason i want to grow is due to an accident awhile back i am left with no job and in constant back pain and weed really helps with the pain and i can no longer justify paying sum scumbag dealer what little money i do have for shit sand weed or crap filled soap bar.
I have never bought feminised seeds before nor have i bought any auto flowering seeds,but my idea was to get them going at the same time so while the JD's were vegging the LR's would finish, so i would not be wasting the light only on vegging the JD's and get a smoke half way through my grow.
The Jorge's Diamonds #1 are a strain bred by Jorge Cervantes working with the Dutch Passion seed company so i thought that feminised seed from them giving thier reputation would be a safe bet as i don't think Jorge Cervantes would put his name to the seeds if they were no good. It would be great if any one out there has grown JD's could tell me how thay got on.
So am i just being paranoid or am i really just a knob? doh.gif
Arnold Layne
Spider62
You are grwoing for pretty much the same reasons as me. I run two wardrobes, one for mums and clones, the other for 12/12. I have 4 strains at the moment, but would not want LR in there at all, simply because I don't need it. I have better. Now, you may grow some superb blow with your seeds, you may not. But the trick, for us medi-users, is to find the best strain for you, select a Mother and away you go growing tried and tested clones for the rest of your life if you wish. Falling back to auto-flowering strains, or femmed seeds seems to me to take you away from likely effective strains. Plus, they dont allow the new grower to develop the skills (few that they are) to grow normal cannabis plants.
Before going for an auto-flowering or femmed strain, I'd be eploring the local grow scene for some decent clones. I have found two superb old strains like this - things that you will never find in seed format, but which are far superior to many of todays' strains.
As far as I understand it most Auto-flowering strains are Indica or Indica dom. Now, for medi purposes, this is just plain wrong. All medi users in reality need to be able to test a complete cross section of Cannabis, from Afghani to Thai, from Morocco to Kerala. Back pain? I find Sat/Indi hybrids best, especially those with a hefty shot of Sat in the equation.
I don't think LR or Femmed seeds really have much to offer the medi-user with a chronic condition. To narrow in potency band, and often incapable of being cloned. Be patient and grow out some natural seeds, select mothers and take it from there wink1.gif
SuburbanGrowBroths
QUOTE(Arnold Layne @ Mar 26 2008, 02:01 PM) *
Spider62
You are grwoing for pretty much the same reasons as me. I run two wardrobes, one for mums and clones, the other for 12/12. I have 4 strains at the moment, but would not want LR in there at all, simply because I don't need it. I have better. Now, you may grow some superb blow with your seeds, you may not. But the trick, for us medi-users, is to find the best strain for you, select a Mother and away you go growing tried and tested clones for the rest of your life if you wish. Falling back to auto-flowering strains, or femmed seeds seems to me to take you away from likely effective strains. Plus, they dont allow the new grower to develop the skills (few that they are) to grow normal cannabis plants.
Before going for an auto-flowering or femmed strain, I'd be eploring the local grow scene for some decent clones. I have found two superb old strains like this - things that you will never find in seed format, but which are far superior to many of todays' strains.
As far as I understand it most Auto-flowering strains are Indica or Indica dom. Now, for medi purposes, this is just plain wrong. All medi users in reality need to be able to test a complete cross section of Cannabis, from Afghani to Thai, from Morocco to Kerala. Back pain? I find Sat/Indi hybrids best, especially those with a hefty shot of Sat in the equation.
I don't think LR or Femmed seeds really have much to offer the medi-user with a chronic condition. To narrow in potency band, and often incapable of being cloned. Be patient and grow out some natural seeds, select mothers and take it from there wink1.gif


As every time when you post something, this is totaly right!
This is the way how its done. Maybe fem. seeds ain't as worse as you think (if you buy from ParadiseSeeds!) our
Opium was select from fem. seeds and she is (was) by far the best medical keeper we ever got.
We grew Opium(SGB1) over one year with cuttings from the seedmother and cuttings from cuttings and to be honest:
We never spotted any hermie in all this time! But our Opium chappter will be the best proof for this...

Greetings!

SGBs
spider62
QUOTE(Arnold Layne @ Mar 26 2008, 01:01 PM) *
Spider62
You are grwoing for pretty much the same reasons as me. I run two wardrobes, one for mums and clones, the other for 12/12. I have 4 strains at the moment, but would not want LR in there at all, simply because I don't need it. I have better. Now, you may grow some superb blow with your seeds, you may not. But the trick, for us medi-users, is to find the best strain for you, select a Mother and away you go growing tried and tested clones for the rest of your life if you wish. Falling back to auto-flowering strains, or femmed seeds seems to me to take you away from likely effective strains. Plus, they dont allow the new grower to develop the skills (few that they are) to grow normal cannabis plants.
Before going for an auto-flowering or femmed strain, I'd be eploring the local grow scene for some decent clones. I have found two superb old strains like this - things that you will never find in seed format, but which are far superior to many of todays' strains.
As far as I understand it most Auto-flowering strains are Indica or Indica dom. Now, for medi purposes, this is just plain wrong. All medi users in reality need to be able to test a complete cross section of Cannabis, from Afghani to Thai, from Morocco to Kerala. Back pain? I find Sat/Indi hybrids best, especially those with a hefty shot of Sat in the equation.
I don't think LR or Femmed seeds really have much to offer the medi-user with a chronic condition. To narrow in potency band, and often incapable of being cloned. Be patient and grow out some natural seeds, select mothers and take it from there wink1.gif

thanks Arnold
I have to agree with you on the Sativa strains being better for pain relief not only that, I'm not to fond of skunk ! I Would rather have my head in the clouds than have my head on the sofa.
The reason i am going with the LR's is that this is my first grow it makes sense to use the light needed to veg out the Jorge's Diamonds and i have yet to found a reliable source for clones, but my hydro suppler is working on it for me.
The JD's are about 50/50 indica/sativa split and apparently clones are quite easy to take and do well.
I have found that sativa strains grow pretty tall and space is the issue, my grow space is approximately 1m by 1m by 3m tall. I would be grateful to know of a sativa strain that is not to leggy and does not take forever to mature and give a decent yield.
herman herb
The bit i like is the saying "Find a keeper" ffs........If i buy "Pumpkin" seeds i don't expect to grow lots of Marrows and Cucumbers till i find a Pumpkin. rofl.gif

HH
Arnold Layne
Spioder62
What space you've got!! My 'Drobes are both 1'10" x 2' x 4'8" (but I need at least 12" of that for lamp and filter). Growing short plants is not impossible, even a sativa would flourish in there given the care and attention and training. But I prefer the hybrids. Its the Pschoactive kick of the Sat that I find lifts the mind out of pain intrusion and into a more comfortable, if trippy, zone. Mind you, mix it with analgesic meds (like Morph for example) and the pain killing impact is huge. Cuts your pill dose in half, does a bit o'bud.
Arnold Layne
QUOTE(herman herb @ Mar 26 2008, 01:52 PM) *
The bit i like is the saying "Find a keeper" ffs........If i buy "Pumpkin" seeds i don't expect to grow lots of Marrows and Cucumbers till i find a Pumpkin. rofl.gif

HH

What are you saying? I'm a bit dim, but can't see your point? Finding a keeper is piss easy. Its your bestest plant. Keep it, until you get a better. That's selection, innit unsure.gif
herman herb
QUOTE(Arnold Layne @ Mar 26 2008, 03:56 PM) *
QUOTE(herman herb @ Mar 26 2008, 01:52 PM) *
The bit i like is the saying "Find a keeper" ffs........If i buy "Pumpkin" seeds i don't expect to grow lots of Marrows and Cucumbers till i find a Pumpkin. rofl.gif

HH

What are you saying? I'm a bit dim, but can't see your point? Finding a keeper is piss easy. Its your bestest plant. Keep it, until you get a better. That's selection, innit unsure.gif


The point is do you get a "keeper" in every pack......Ive grown quite a few strains from seed (Waisting months) and haven't kept one.

All my mums are brought as clones so i know exactly what to expect.
spider62
QUOTE(Arnold Layne @ Mar 26 2008, 01:54 PM) *
Spioder62
What space you've got!! My 'Drobes are both 1'10" x 2' x 4'8" (but I need at least 12" of that for lamp and filter). Growing short plants is not impossible, even a sativa would flourish in there given the care and attention and training. But I prefer the hybrids. Its the Pschoactive kick of the Sat that I find lifts the mind out of pain intrusion and into a more comfortable, if trippy, zone. Mind you, mix it with analgesic meds (like Morph for example) and the pain killing impact is huge. Cuts your pill dose in half, does a bit o'bud.

Know what you mean Arnold, I have been cutting back on my meds just take the morphine at night now with a few beers during the day i find it better this way the meds was turning me into a zombie 31.gif
Arnold Layne
A keeper in every pack? Yes, and No! If I am starting with a strain (as I am with Anesthesia right now), I will grow out the whole pack and keep back the best of teh bunch as temporary keeper. Then, as I grow more packs of the strain, that Keeper may be replaced by a better phenotype/chemovar. I tend to find a decent plant in every five to ten packs of any strain. With Skunk No.1 I was o lucky - the very first seed I popped turned out to be my keeper (now sadly lost). I must have germinated over 100 Skunk No1 seeds but never found a better example than that one.
But I would never judge a strain by less than five packs of seed grown out. Cannabis is a prolific seed bearing plant, but not all the seeds from a plant are the same, most will be mundane, one or two will be, outstanding. Summat to bear in mind, isn't it?
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herman herb
Sorry Arnie i'm not very good at putting thoughts into words to hold a conversation as well as you. But I'm with you in what you say...Although we both grow for different reasons. You are looking for a plant to ease your pain, While i am looking for that Big yielding/Short flowering and strong plant.

You clearly have the time and patience to go through lots of packs of seeds to find what you are looking for........While I'm a bit lacking there.

Also you mentioned Pheno's And these are what i referred to as the Marrows and Cucumbers in my search for a Pumpkin.

How many people have bought into the spiel of "Hollands Hope" and "Durban Poison" and purchased them, And spent ages nurturing them and planting them outside only to be totally "Pissed" off at harvest time.....I too have been there.


Anyways peace

HH



Underwater
QUOTE(potsmoker93 @ Mar 18 2008, 10:39 PM) *
Either that or choice a strain with a better male to female ratio, would imagine some strains when seeds are produced are more prone than others to be male based on genetics, some fermitized very rather hermi, mind due allot do.

couldn't ya clone the females and this way you are going to get females everytime, simpy clone the best looking females.


Who sells these mythical seeds with a higher male to female ratio? BECAUSE I WOULD BUY THEM!!!!!!

Isnt the point of Lr's that they grow so fast you cant/dont need to clone them?

U

Also i just bought feminised Ice Cream from this very website....are they ''shite and a waste of time ''also? THAT i'd like to know..........
BIG BUD 1664
QUOTE(Underwater @ Mar 26 2008, 03:03 PM) *
QUOTE(potsmoker93 @ Mar 18 2008, 10:39 PM) *
Either that or choice a strain with a better male to female ratio, would imagine some strains when seeds are produced are more prone than others to be male based on genetics, some fermitized very rather hermi, mind due allot do.

couldn't ya clone the females and this way you are going to get females everytime, simpy clone the best looking females.


Who sells these mythical seeds with a higher male to female ratio? BECAUSE I WOULD BUY THEM!!!!!!

Isnt the point of Lr's that they grow so fast you cant/dont need to clone them?

U

Also i just bought feminised Ice Cream from this very website....are they ''shite and a waste of time ''also? THAT i'd like to know..........

underwater y would u want to buy seeds that give u shit loads
of males ?
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