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TILT!
Been reading up all the ice-hash threads for ages, racking my brain over what a gold coffee filter is and looking at most of the rather greenish sludges that seem to emerge from most people's efforts, and wondering whether it's worth the bother. Having ca. 1 lb. of quality trim from the summer's guerilla grow, decided to take the plunge and try at least something. Stopped reading the threads and started putting in some common sense.

Did my first batch 2 days ago and got ca. 7 gms. >95% pure hash from ca. 90 gms. of the crappiest trim.
As I wish someone had told me how to do this so easily before I burnt my brain out thinking about it, I thought I'd let you know how I did it. I'll be doing nother batch tomorrow so if people really insist I'll post up some pics, but it's so easy I don't really need to.

You need:
1 bucket straight-sided, pref. with plastic fitting lid (like pre-mix plaster buckets, washed out well)
1 other bucket with slightly sloping sides. Both buckets should have flat bottoms and curved edges if poss.
1 other bucket or similar container.
1 electric drill with builder's mixer whisk.
Loads of ice, more the better.
1 Pair of granma's tights, pref. washed.
1 credit card, but not for ordering Bubble Baaags rofl.gif

I didn't have a bucket with a fitting lid, and improvised with a round straight- and high-sided rubbish bin with a plastic plate on top. But I didn't probably agitate enough as the stuff was slopping all over the place so for the batch tomorrow I'll get one of those buckets. You cut a hole for the builder's mixer bit in the lid, chuck in a third ice, bit less than a third cold water and frozen dry trim, up to about 4 ounces would probably be OK. Stick the whisk through the hole into the drill, clamp down the lid as well as poss. and give it hell for about 15 mins. changing the direction on the drill every minute or so. The drill and mixer is the clou of this method I think. It hardly damages the plant material at all and I think probably rips most of the trichs off by centrifuge.
Prepare the other bucket like this (better beforehand): tight a tight knot in both and cut the legs off granny's tights right up at the crotch. Do this with the tights inside out. Tie one of the legs so it gives a real tight fit on the bucket. Turn the crotch bit of the tights (which now resembles a sack with the 2 knots high up on the legs) the right way round again and stretch it over the bucket lip. If you hve a good sized bucket it should be pretty tight, but fix it even better with the leg loop you made.
Take the lid off the mixing bucket and scoop out most of the ice (which is complete mush by now) and the plant material into the 3rd. bucket. Chuck the rest (which will have most of the trichs so be careful here) through the tights into the prepared bucket.
Put all trim and iced back into the mixer bucket, just cover with water and stir with a spoon or give another whirl with the whisk if you think there's more to be had (check with a microscope maybe) and pour through the tights into the collection bucket. Repeat this process until the collection bucket is quite full with water and you can rinse the plant material through the sagging tights in it. Carefully take the tights off and squeeze them out into the collection bucket. Leaf and ice into third bucket for a butter mix or whatever.
You know have one collection bucket full of completely murky frothy water spliff.gif Have one. Be a Believer: you've got there cry.gif . Let this bucket settle for bout 10 mins., then pour off very slowly into the (cleaned) mixing bucket. You should, as I did, find a whole lot of gold dust in to bottom. If you've done everything fairly rapidly most filtered plant material should swim off on the water. I had one very small streak of greenish sludge in mine, the rest looked like molten red gold. More like 98-99% pure I reckon.

And here it is, well most of it anyway though I've had to try a fair bit for the quality control wink.gif .
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Getting a bit spaced from that big C so rest of process tomorrow or later, and as I said, photos if anyone really wants them.

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Green Goblin
Hi TILT,

Sound m8, I will be waiting for the photo's.

Nice cheap method, save £100 on a bubblesac and any way, why do people need 6 different qualities of ash, unless of caurse you have tons of leaf loaded with trichs, otherwise your system wins hands down.

Nice 1,
GG

By the way very nice looking piece of ice ash there m8. A great smoke I'll bet?
Hashishin
Seeing some pics would be good wink.gif .

Does the hash you made with this method bubble?
altommo
haggis@home has already posted a much smaller guide in his grow and looks to be the same method
TILT!
QUOTE(Green Goblin @ Mar 4 2008, 12:27 AM) *
By the way very nice looking piece of ice ash there m8. A great smoke I'll bet?


Too right chum, better than anything I've puffed in 30 years. The powder really was a reddish golden hue and the gear is like a perfect mix of the best Leb Red and Maroccan Black we used to get a long long time ago, although the ball is dark shit brown.
Try to get some pics up when I do it again the next couple of days. I'm sure there are some bits that can still be bettered so I'll be glad of any suggestions too.
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TILT!
QUOTE(altommo @ Mar 4 2008, 12:43 AM) *
haggis@home has already posted a much smaller guide in his grow and looks to be the same method


Thanks mate I'll take a look for some tips and stuff. Nothing's new here, I just posted this 'cause I'd have liked to have read it when my brain was fusing reading about gold coffee filters and kitchen whisks...

Haven't tried to make it bubble yet, Hardcore. I like my hash raw and dirty, those pics of FMB with the washed out trichs don't turn me on so much. What't the best way to try it; bit of hash on the end of a knife and heat it or what? I think it'll just melt. If I get a bubble out of it you bet I'll be back in a jiffy with a proud photo rofl.gif

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TILT!
QUOTE(TILT! @ Mar 4 2008, 12:57 AM) *
If I get a bubble out of it you bet I'll be back in a jiffy with a proud photo rofl.gif


Well I didn't get a bubble but it did melt quickly and completely and evaporated. Waste of a nice little bit of dope pinch.gif though managed to get my nose above it just in time. The plant material was from a seed called Olé, which nobody apart from me seems to have grown but reputedly stems as a plant original from the 70s and should peak at 19% THC. That crop had it dry though and the bud wasn't as resinous as usual though I don't know if that has an effect on the THC content in the existing resin. Never understood those THC contents anyway. I reckon, like, if THC makes up for half the resin content and the THC content should be say 20%, then the 40% of the plant would have to be resin. Little bit ambitious methinks rofl.gif

Was so spaced yesterday I just wrote away and forgot that with stoners like me on this site you have to explain things very very clearly step by step. Found a good bucket with a fitting lid so going to go for another batch and take the digicam along for the ride.

First the boring pics, the equipment.

Here one large bucket with fitting lid and hole in top for drill bit, and pair of tights 20 Den without gusset tied off high up at the crotch and legs cut off.
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Back in a mo.
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TILT!
...and here's the other bucket with that closed tights' crotch pulled over it, already quite tight (ask the fattest girl you know for a pair of hers wink.gif bigger is better)

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and now onto the goods, ca. 5 oz. good mostly Blueberry trim with a very few small buds, which are dry and cold enough to crumble up. Not too much though to make too much leaf dust.

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BIAM, Back in a mo.
TILT!
... and onto the ice, not as much as I'd like but should do, nice big jagged hard bits chopped off from the freezer bit of my fugged-up fridge.....

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... which I then smash up a bit with that there axe.

In with the trim and cover well with water

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Bucket's now about half full which leaves space to get whirled about.

BIAM
TILT!
....then lid on, drill on and let it rip

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If you have a speed adjustment, start slowly and speed up. Mine doesn't, but it can change directions and for some reason goes slower anti-clockwise. I bet either clockwise or anti is better for ripping off the trichs by centrifuge, but haven't read anything yet. What way does bathwater go down? Can't remember..... braindead.... spliff.gif .... stuff's too good.... anyway, I'd reckon the opposite direction would be better, going against the natural flow: the leaf of course wants to keep its jewels wink.gif

Anyway, this is what it all looks like after 5 mins. mixing.

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BIAM, got to go let some water down the sink...

TILT!
Phew, was anti-clockwise.... cool.gif like I thought of course.
That's good 'cause the drill gets more centrifuge clockwise.
I've continued another 3-4 mins mostly clockwise, just turning every now and again to mix better.
Reckon it's better to hold the drill almost still and let the water, ice and centrifuge do the work. Bit like mixing plaster or rather rendering, and not like beating an omelette, which breaks the flow of the centrifuge and probably smashes the plant material too much.
This is the state of it now:

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and this is the state of that big C from yesterday... like more than half gone, which explains my state, which personally I can only describe as sublime cool.gif

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Olè!
TILT!
another 2-3 mins. wizzing and it would be hard to believe there were many trichs still attached. Look at the amount of froth: that stuff has been decidedly cocktailed, though rather stirred than shaken rofl.gif the ice is mostly mush, so good it was so hard at first.
Here I have ladelled out the floating ice and trim into the third bucket, having gently stirred the froth around a while with a wooden spoon to let any trichs suspended within it to sink to the bottom.

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With the mass mostly out, carefully (sorry, carefully, it's ra bit wi' rea trichs excl.gif ) swirl around the remaining water and trim to get the resin up from the bottom and pour the lot through the tights into the collection bucket as rashly as possible without spilling.

In this pic I'm adding that back to the mass, tipping it out of the tights having squeezed the water out through the tights. Look how brown it is underneath.... that's hash, stuffed that clogged and didn't go through the tights.

Pic too big, be right back.
TILT!
And here's the pic

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Starting to look funky cool.gif BIAW
TILT!
There will be a lot of trichs left caught in the mass, so cover it with water and stir well and tip the lot through the tights. If the buckets are the same size, your collection bucket will be about two-thirds full by now, and continue to rinse the mass through the tights in any manner until it's actually sitting in the water and you can rinse it completely.

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Cold hands by now, but the tension is mounting in the Golddigger's shack wink.gif

BIAM


TILT!
Scoop out the weed from the crotch and squeeze it out and put it aside in the mixing bucket. When not much left you can very carefully (not drastic, just annoying if you get a leaf or two in the collection water) detatch the tights and squeeze out the rest in them into the collection bucket.

You now should have this constellation:

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What have we got for all our efforts..... one bucket full of clapped out damp weed, one empty bucket and one bucket full of a murky brew that looks like it should be thrown down the drain forthwith. Don't do it..... Be a Believer... there's golddust down the bottom of that soup wink.gif Let's all take 5 or even 15, while this settles.

Any questions so far. We're far from finished.
Crocodile.
TILT!
Back to work, spliff in hand smoke.gif biggrin.gif

Happy as Larry I am. Realise I've been chewing on this for about 2 years now, thinking that there must be some very easy and very effective way of seperating the resin from bud or trim. Sure none of what I'm doing is new, but maybe a few details put together in a slightly different way to make a real cheapskate's alternative to Bubble Bags etc. Be a hoot if in the end I even got better returns this way. Certainly better than what I've resorted to up until now, dry sifting or shaking, also through tights. That has always produced quite a good quantity (+/- 10%) of what I would call a 3rd. grade but tasty hash, like Maroc Gold of old. But from the first batch of 90 gms. Olé I got 7 gm. virtually pure resin and another 2 gm. of less quality (the finest resin particles with a certain amount of waterlogged plant debris and plain dirt, I guess) from the last tipped bucket, left to stand for a day or two. That's 10% and almost all resin smoke.gif not bad from trim. What do Bubble Bags produce?

On with the job. Tip most of the settled liquid back into the old collection bucket (this is going to produce your smaller quantity of second grade hash), slowly but steadily to avoid disturbing the sediment too much. It's doesn't matter too much if you remember one golden rule: DON'T THROW ANYTHING DOWN THE GODDAM SINK!!! If you keep tipping fom one bucket to the other and it's all going to be used at some point you shouldn't lose a trich.
The bucket on the right has now got most of the trichs in it.

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Let this settle again for a few mins. Roll one up and sit back, enjoying the anticipation of being on the verge of striking gold.
Croc.
TILT!
Now things start getting sexy....
Couple of mins. settling and just tip the bucket a little slowly.

GOLD!

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Hold it tipped a minute, and then slowly back the other way..... LOTS OF GOLD!!!

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A'm a Beleaver, Praise the lard! Someone up there loves me.
Crikes (can't remember:is this an anti-swearing site? rofl.gif ) it's truly amazing.
Now you've got most stuck up one side you can pour almost all the remaining water off quite easily. And not too slowly 'cause you'll still see tiny bits of plant debris floating off and if you're too slow it'll stick in the resin.

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On the first judgement and in respect of how much golddust the last lot produced and how much it turned out as, I'd bet this will be about 12-15 gm.

Have to ring me old mum up and tell her God does exist.
Later
TILT!
QUOTE(TILT! @ Mar 5 2008, 02:12 AM) *
If you keep tipping fom one bucket to the other and it's all going to be used at some point you shouldn't lose a trich.


Just to say I even used the final refuse water to boil up a batch of cannabis butter with the plant trim refuse so in the end I really won't have lost one flippin' trich:
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Tried a bit earlier on: very good indeed, mild drunk mellow but active butter, no psychs or para. Now I reckon that's because of the relative lack of THC and possibly high levels of other active cannaboids. But that's a hole thread for another day.

BIAMo
TILT!
Here's what my present batch of golddust looks like in the meantime.
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Browner than the last lot which was golden red and just a couple of streaks of green left on top of it 'cause I didn't follow my own advice of tipping quicker.
Like to try to get a purer product, have to go for a daredevil cure I thought up the other day for a load of plant polluted dry sift.
The jamjar method.
That's got everyone really excited rofl.gif Be back when I've worked it out wink.gif
TILT!

QUOTE(TILT! @ Mar 5 2008, 03:08 AM) *
Be back when I've worked it out wink.gif


Done it: worked a treat.
Basically I poured some clean water on the golddust and then the entire contents in a little jamjar (jogurt glass in fact, but same idea)

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after 5 mins. it looked like that and
then after another 10 like this:

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interesting the fine line of very pale yellow sand that settled finally on top of the resin. Qu'est-ce que c'est?
BIAM

TILT!

On the last pic you can see sort of on the slant some plant debris floating on the top. The problem with tipping it off is that it doesn't all come and sticks to the glass. My idea was to pour water in slowly but steadily so that it overflowed and the plant debris with it but not the resin. Just as well I did it over the collection bucket as that thin line of fine yellow sand did immediately rise and mostly go out as one can see from this pic afterwards.
But it'll be in the B-Grade gear whatever it was.

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But the brown resin stayed put. The lip also helps a bit.
TILT!

This is starting to be a labour of love as one can see from the timings of the post.
Up til now it's been pure live cannabis porn but time-delayed about 20 mins. for me to catch up with things.
Have to stop soon for today so I'll bring it up to the minute now in quick photo postings and deal with any details tomorra.

Chucked the contents of the glass back in the bucket, let settle and poured off again, quicker this time.

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Slowly rotated bucket on a slant so remaining water seperates from resin which slowly sticks to itself and the plastic on the way round.

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TILT!

At this point I've put the bucket almost horizontal and see that the water has seperated from the resin finally.....

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... and frigging panikfor a second...where's the gear? In the glass? No. in the other bucket? No.

Up sticking to the top side of this bucket, of course spliff.gif spliff.gif spliff.gif
TILT!

Here's a bit I scraped off the bucket earlier on and dried a bit under a lamp:

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Quite dark brown, but I've been expecting a sort of Afghani fom the indica Bleuberry, so it maY turn out black and sticky


This is the shit after getting all the water off:

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Still left some more black than green streaks on top, looks like dirt and probably is just that.
I like some things a bit dirty though, and hash is one of them wink.gif

BIAM with last pics for tonight
TILT!

Just scraped it out of the bucket with a credit card. This was the first dollop to come out:

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Already looks like best charas, n'est-ce pas?

Here's the lot, on unwaxed greaseproof paper to continue drying:

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and just now on the fire top on cardboard to evaporate slower:


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Good night anyone who's been watching in on the porn show.
Think I'll go to bed with that stuff under my pillow biggrin.gif guitar.gif
Update tomorrow, sweet dreams.

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Green Goblin
Hi TILT man,

That was a great bit of inovative ice extraction there m8, even if it ain't a brand new idea.
Gunna have to do this my self with my next lot of trim.

How old was the trim you used and had it been kept in a freezerin a sealed bag.

Great pics to TILT. I feel blinkin jealous now, coz I do a bit of dry sieve and I only have enough left for about 10 phat ones, I always feel sorry for my self when I'm comming to the end of some nice weed or ash. Never mind wont be to long before next harvest night. yahoo.gif yahoo.gif yahoo.gif

Keep it comming m8, I have enjoyed reading your witty threads.

Nice 1,
GG
Tony 2th
i get the same effect with the froth and wondered why/how it happens. it seems to come on strong when i do the second or third runs with the same water. any chemists out there?
i agree about bubblebags, i can't tell the difference between 30 micron and 70 micron hash so i tend to mix it all together. i'm the same with wine - seems a waste of money to buy something expensive when they all have the same effect.

i like your bubble tho.
TILT!

QUOTE(Green Goblin @ Mar 5 2008, 06:12 PM) *
Great pics to TILT. I feel blinkin jealous now, coz I do a bit of dry sieve and I only have enough left for about 10 phat ones,


Know how you feel mate, I used to dry sieve too (well, still do biggrin.gif ) simply 'cause I couldn't think of a better way to do it. Then I dreamt up a system for shaking in a saucepan spanned with tights over a glass table which got me a better grade but very little of the good stuff and a lot of work. But I'm hooked on what I've got going now. It may not be new to here but it's new to me. I rethought the principles of making hash with ice right from the start 'cause I just wanted to find a cheap, efficient and easy way of making medium quantities of really good hash, and I hadn't found anything that convinced me here yet. I hope this thread helps a few people out who are in the same predicament as I was.

Did a double batch this afternoon to finish off the trim I have. Got a load of ice from the local fish market: hope my dope doesn't smell of squid doh.gif

The gear I made yesterday was less than I guessed, now dry about 7.5 gm, though I have of course tried a bit every now and again wink.gif
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Doesn't seem so much from 150 gm. trich laden Blueberry trim, but we'll see what comes out in the B grade. The jamjar purification process worked a treat and it seems to be even purer than the first batch. As I thought, it's turned out like an Afghani, in fact just like the only Afghan Gold I ever smoked in the 70s. It melts but it doesn't bubble either. I think I'm glad cool.gif It's exotically spicy and mid-oriental, and therefore a bit grubby if not downright dirty. Should have named this thread For the Love of Dirty Hash biggrin.gif

Smoking this roll just now:
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Never tasted anything like that ever. Very stoney, the first Olé batch being more trippy.

Back tomorrow with news of today's batch, mostly also Blueberry but mixed with a Jack Herer sativa phenotype and a fair whack of the cult Pearl.
Can't wait smoke.gif

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P.S: Get back on the froth tomorrow Tony... too gone now... thanks for posting
TILT!

QUOTE(TILT! @ Mar 6 2008, 02:25 AM) *
Back tomorrow with news of today's batch, mostly also Blueberry but mixed with a Jack Herer sativa phenotype and a fair whack of the cult Pearl.


Well, my disappointment with the return on the first BB batch was short-lived. In fact I think it must have been a batch that I'd already dry sifted, which would explain the seemingly lowish return of 5% of A Grade hash. Or I just got better at things with a few little improvements in the later batches which I'll go into later. Because that last lot from yesterday will weigh in at ca. 13 gm. on 130 gm. dry trim which is 10%, and that's just the A Grade and not the rest. I processed it differently and it's probably slightly impurer than the other 'cause I didn't give it the jamjar treatment, but it'll will still be 95% + pure resin.
Here it is drying above the stove: still moist, it now weighs 26 gm. (or 6 €5c + 1 €1c coins on the other side of the ruler: that's how I weigh it) and from past experience will lose ca. half total weight whilst drying.
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More than 10% pure cannabis resin return from leaf material smoke.gif sounds almost too good to be true: do the Bubble Boys get that much??! I can imagine it will be like a mixture of the bottom 3 bags that produce usable material but without the higher level of plant matter present in the poorer grade bubble bag return. It's even starting to look like tha fudge stuff that the Bubble Boys post:
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Not quite as squeaky clean as all those bubble pics, but as I said I like that. In fact, close up one can even see the layering of different grade trichs within it from the finer ones at the bottom (left pic) to the coarser ones at the top (right pic) as I took this bit straight out of the bucket and dried it as it was

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Crocodile X
SkullDuggery
QUOTE(TILT! @ Mar 6 2008, 08:18 PM) *
it'll will still be 95% + pure resin.


not tryin to rain in your parade, it looks nice but think thats a bit optimistic,

look like theres quite a bit of plant material in it

nice effort mate,
TILT!

QUOTE(Brum @ Mar 6 2008, 10:57 PM) *
it looks nice


Thanks M. Brum, I'll try to remember just this bit of your nice post biggrin.gif Ooaar, can't you let me brag a bit just for a minute wink.gif Thought it wouldn't be long before the Bubble Boys threw down the gauntlet, or was it a hankerchief, I can't remember doh.gif I know I'd be stupid to make too many bets. apart from I bet that this stuff would win all the prizes in the category Made with Fish Market Ice, Fat Woman's Tights, Buider's Whisk and 3 Old Buckets biggrin.gif

In terms of absolute rinsed purity I can't come anywhere near that quite beautiful almost translucent piece in your avatar, but then that's not what I'm looking for. But I really think you're being too mean too soon pinch.gif where can you see plant matter, apart from the rinse ring of the top bit which was still drying? That had me fooled too for a mo, but in fact it's just that the last drops of water have oozed out and carried of course the last green stuff with them which gives that ring that strong colour. The mass itself is almost completely green-free. If you zoom in to that dryer stuff down the bottom, you can't see a speck of green. That doesn't mean there isn't any in there of course but I honestly think it won't be more than 1-2%. That had also been really well purified with the jamjar which the other lot at the top hadn't (hence the greenish ring). The discolouring is just bits drying a bit slower and the typical oxidisation which will still make the flater bits look darker than the rougher bits.

The main difference to a bit of good bubble seems to be that's it's completely untranslucent. My method, half read up and half thought out and still very much being refined, is designed to give maximum agitation with minimum destruction. That and the double thickness crotch of the tights have kept green dust particles down to a minimum, but one disadvantage of the bucket and sediment offspill system is that the very fine dust and soil which sinks with the resin can't be effectively seperated from the resin. like I think it can in the final bag of good bubble bag systems. But as I said, I like it dirty, the Barbiedolls with silicon tits and hairless fannies don't turn me on either rofl.gif My system does have advantages though too over the bubble bags. There's much more movement in the water and the centrifuge is very effective. The sedimentation system of collection is, apart from the dirt/soil problem, IMHO better than a catching system, definitely for whoever just wants a fat lump of all the resin, regardless of trich size.

So honestly and unfishermanlike I think the compostion of that "Afghan Gold" up the bottom of my last post is:
max. 2% vegetable (plant material)
max. 2% mineral (soil, dirt)
max.. 0.1% animal (my skin from rubbing it rofl.gif)
max. 1 % other contaminants (hair, dust etc. from working it in typical stoner disorganisation, I even see little glints of metal in there.... little shards of scissor from the trimming I reckon.

....therefore min. 94.9% pure cannabis resin.. you're right, I was exagerating a bit wink.gif Hadn't considered the animal bit... rofl.gif might be even more than 0.1% actually, considering how much one handles one's plants and harvest....
What other proof of its purity can I present? Considering you can't just cruise on round and try it wink.gif
It was made from the trim of buds like these:
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A good indica BB copy, repurtedly peaking at 19% THC. I think my querilla crop last year got near that: when I harvested the 10' tall plants the trichs were turning but the whole plants were still completely white and throwing out flowers like there's no tomorrow. Very tasty, very solid. The hash from it now is the spiciest I've eve ever had and I've been a lot of places and done a lot of gear. And wrecks you completely I'm realising wink.gif , which is why i take so long on the posts.
It's really quite hard already but will go completely soft even 9" from a 60W lamp, and hard again within a few seconds of removing it. You have to soften shortly and then roll quickly to get a sausage for a little joint. Em, what else?... it completely blows my mind and I am a half century toughened and dedicated drug user biggrin.gif
I stick with 94.9%!
But before I really take any bets, I'll have a look under the microscope. cool.gif

Uva amara, Croc
Dr Benways Assistant
Looks like some tasty hash. If you siphoned of the water with a hose of some sort (I use bubbler tubing, takes ages but doesn't disturb the trichs too much) rather than tipping from bucket to bucket you'll save a lot of effort.

Here's the method I used http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kbCtKE2Ghk
Green Goblin
Hi TILT,
I'm with you all the way man, that is some very good looking ash there my friend even if it aint 100% clean, but I can't see any plant material just a little green marking on the grease proof paper.
Put it this way I certainly would not refuse a smoke of it.

Its turning into a sort of diary this TILT keep it up mate, I'm well enjoying your trip so far and your not unrealistic at all.

10/10 m8,
GG
P.S beautifuyl BB bud there TILT, how long was the trim cured for that you used. Cheers.
djdavid4u
wicked reed,

wicked Ider

Top Notch mate
grobag
That really does look like some nice hash you've made there Tilt, nice one mate. It's great that you've got that kind of quality hash by only using household items that were available to you already.

You've made it of a quality and received the yield of average bubble bag runs - I usually expect around a 3 gram return from an oz of trim/air bud. When you use trim/ air bud that has been frozen from fresh for making the hash you get a slightly cleaner and slightly lower yield of cleaner hash. This is the kind of translucent stuff you're talking about (and that which comes out at the %'s you're claiming). That is the FMCD (full melt clear dome) hash which it seems you are just short of making with this batch. But like you say - that's not what you've tried to produce. Using dried trim and your methods there, tiny particles of plant matter break off, get soaked and sink with the resin. It's not something you can see until at very high levels and the hash takes on a greeny hue, but I'd bet that will be the case to a certain extent with the hash you have there. That is what you can see with the water marks of that which has leaked out, and that which is still inside the hash throughout. I'm not saying it's impure or anything (it's great looking hash), but 95% is an optimistic reckoning unless FMCD hash is produced. wink1.gif

Great job mate and it really is good to hear you take such an interest in it, and it being a labour of love like you say. I think we have ourselves another believer.

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Addition: If you were to be not quite so vigorous in mixing (doing it by hand with a stick instead of using the drill - use a thick dope stem) and you used fresh frozen trim straight from the plant when croppped without drying, then you would produce FMCD hash without the use of bubble bags, which is great. smile.gif Then the hash would be in the high 90%'s resin wise (not THC obviously).
Stonehenge
QUOTE(Dr Benways Assistant @ Mar 7 2008, 01:20 AM) *
Looks like some tasty hash. If you siphoned of the water with a hose of some sort (I use bubbler tubing, takes ages but doesn't disturb the trichs too much) rather than tipping from bucket to bucket you'll save a lot of effort.


Thats how i do it too. if you keep the tube on the surface, it siphons off any plant matter that could have got through the screen! I use that 4 mm tube too, i find if you have the bucket you siphon into a lot lower than the one with the hash in, it flows out a lot faster.

Could be common knowledge that. unsure.gif

Nice looking hash though mate, thumbsup.gif
SkullDuggery
I really wasn't trying to put you down mate, sorry if it seemed that way

looks like a lovely piece of hash and even more impressive giving the method used, but as Grobag pointed out full melt CD comes in at around the percentage you were reckoning for yours.

it was the granular appearance of the hash that made me think there was greater than 5% impurities


no offense intended mate it still looks very tasty indeed, enjoy smoke.gif



e2a if you have any trim left how about trying a batch stirring by hand with a large wooden spoon/broom handle to compare to the drill mixed?
Dr Benways Assistant
Yeah I reckon I've made purer hash but this method was incredibly tasty as soon as it was dry which I never really had with other methods, smoked it before it got a chance to cure stoned.gif

e2a: spoon is good advice.
Hashishin
Very impresive really considering the tools that you where using. Another good bonus is that all of the stuff you used to make your hash is easy to get hold of in a short ammount of time.
Stealth67
Stoner have all the best ideas smoke.gif

Good work my friend !
TILT!
WOWWWWWWW! You ever come back from holidays and find not only the usual batch of bills but also a few real letters from friends or even Romans or countrymen. Pretty nice yahoo.gif well, that's what I felt like when I turned my PC on a little while ago. Lots of replies, even cudos, masked praise, sound words of advice and appreciation and, above all, no massed beating from the Bubble Boys whistling.gif biggrin.gif Zut alors, even the boss has been in, and the kitchen was such a mess wink1.gif but no public lashing for the sheer affrontery of it all. Good start to the night

Been a good day, full of experimentation and discovery.

But first, some replies to my correspondents guitar.gif with some photos of today's fun and games to keep things visual ph34r.gif

QUOTE(Green Goblin @ Mar 7 2008, 04:59 AM) *
Hi TILT,
I'm with you all the way man, that is some very good looking ash there my friend even if it aint 100% clean, but I can't see any plant material just a little green marking on the grease proof paper. Yes, that was the one that was significantly less pure and has turned out to be the least of the bunch although definitely still A Grade. It was the fourth and last batch and I think I thrashed it too much with the drill and ice trying to get the max out of it (which I did cool.gif 12.5 gm A Grade and 4 gm. B Grade from 140 gm. just leaf trim).

Put it this way I certainly would not refuse a smoke of it. Be v. welcome chum: I'll have the Lear jet over and pick you up biggrin.gif

Its turning into a sort of diary this TILT keep it up mate, Don't worry mate, when I finally get my teeth stuck in... as one can see! I'm well enjoying your trip so far and your not unrealistic at all. Not unrealistic?! I live in Cloud Cuckoo Land mate rofl.gif , especially with the help of the products of my experiments. I'll do my best smoke.gif smoke.gif to keep it up.... if eveyone would like to send me their trim to gi' it ra treatment and we go 50-50 on the returns.
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10/10 m8, cooooor, fanks, you're a pal (I'll send the cheque over with the post OK?), don't know about 10/10.... maybe for trying... as all my teachers used to write in my report: "Tilt is trying...... very very trying". There's a lot of room for improvement, I been noting along the way so far but it seems a helluva good start and frankly, who but who is mad enough to post up their first ice hash attempt as a live running post with all the Ooohs and Aaahs of live success and mishap (had a few nice little accidents today doh.gif but I say one learns from them

GG
P.S beautifuyl BB bud there TILT, how long was the trim cured for that you used. 5 months, but just in a plastic bag in the cubboard. Cheers. Aye, cheers, stay on the ride and keep putting your oar in, so to speak biggrin.gif


All for you, GG:
Click to view attachment Forget the Jelly Belly and Wubblebubble...Click to view attachment
The shooting star of the spring is Sexy Sedimentina Hash! Don't be seen without it: all the different desired effects of a long evening in one single piece. Looking at that I think from indica BB coarse to Olê medium with a minimum green shade in the finest section to the even finer sativa (Jack Herer phenotype) , the reddish gold layer at the top, and finishing off with some incandescent amber at the top rather similar to that translucent bubble hash. Very interesting, especially the positioning of the layers, and confirming some other strange observations which I made today. Observations that bode a bit dodgy for the Bubble Brigade, I fear to add cry.gif More on that later. At the moment I have my hands full trying to prise rather sticky than sexy Sedimentina (and stinky, mon dieu... mixture of hospital, damp sport socks and rotting cadaver but fortunately the hospitals winning... ether and iodine that one.... nice cool.gif
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Something a bit more apetising for breakfast:Click to view attachment

Crocodile
goldies
Hi Tilt
Good read mate. thumbsup.gif

Its the exact same for me except i use the icing mixer attachments on the beater & use fresh frozen trim.
beating for a short time like you i dont get as many of those fine particles in the final product.
I find that if do it for a short time and done gently, you just break off the heads of the tricome and not the stalk. In the end the tricomes are so small that you can filter them through a coffee filter and only the finest heads will go through giving you the toppest quality hash you can get yahoo.gif (Without using chemicals or solvents) wink.gif

After i use this method . One wash only.
I then dry all the beaten trim and dry it out ready for some butane extraction. Super easy if you use a hot water thermos.
You are now going after the stalks. punk.gif

Both methods will bubble wink.gif

Please forgive me for being a naive Aussie.
But is this sarcasm. unsure.gif
QUOTE
WOWWWWWWW! You ever come back from holidays and find not only the usual batch of bills but also a few real letters from friends or even Romans or countrymen. Pretty nice yahoo.gif well, that's what I felt like when I turned my PC on a little while ago. Lots of replies, even cudos, masked praise, sound words of advice and appreciation and, above all, no massed beating from the Bubble Boys whistling.gif biggrin.gif Zut alors, even the boss has been in, and the kitchen was such a mess wink1.gif but no public lashing for the sheer affrontery of it all. Good start to the night

I am far from being a "Bubble Boy"
and hope that you don't get offended by my comments like you did these guys. wink.gif

Cheers for the entertaining read.
Goldies.


Green Goblin
Hey TILT,
Got your self some nice (looking) temple like balls, if you get what I mean?
What was the final weight of the last extraction all together?

I bet that you have had some really good spaced out nights smoking and cuisine.

That does look good quality m8, not even costing the price of 1 bubblesac. To be honest unless you are trying to extract the purest ash you can, then the system that you have used seems to be one of the cheapest ways to extract decent quality ice ash.

Personally I would only purchase a bubblesac if I was doing large amounts of bud and leaf ice extraction on a regular basis, then I think a bubblesac would be useful and it would pay for its self. But I surpose that if you were doing a years personal in one go after say a gurilla grow and you have grew enough to keep your self in ice extracted weed, then I would use one my self.

Keep it comming Tilt.

GG

e2a: I wish even a small piece of that nice looking ash was for me m8. If you are ever on the look out for a personal taster, I'm your man rofl.gif
TILT!
Oh dear, this stuff is spacing me out so much I'm not keeping up with the replies. Was no sarcasm, Mr. Aussie Golden, although I'm normally a cantankerous old bastard, I'm trying to be nice at least in my own thread: no, I was genuinely and pleasantly surprised that so many people were interested in my rather madcap and low-tech experiments, and that noone had rubbished my technique for the load of has-been or unsound crap that most of it probably is. In the end there may be some little gems in the middle of all the waffle in this thread, just 'cuase of the way I going about things, like noone's ever done it before and apart from the most basic principles I have to work it out for myself. That forces more innovation. Innovation necessitates mistakes on the way and so I can but hope for patient and tolerant readership. But I'm afraid the gems will be surely hidden in the inventor's chaos Too many experiments on the go. And the gear's making me terribly forgetful. Went to bed the other morning leaving not only all the lights on but the iron as well and the gas cooker with a then dry and red-hot pan on it for 3 hours russian.gif doh.gif Last night I "just" managed to forget this bucket will a little B Grade wash spread around it to be scraped out with the credit card after about a hour in front of the fire.Click to view attachmentTook ONE HOUR and very cold hands this morning to get it of again with some ice cubes. And that's a good bucket for cleaning.... there's plastic and plastic, one learns after doing this biggrin.gif


QUOTE(grobag @ Mar 7 2008, 04:22 PM) *
That really does look like some nice hash you've made there Tilt, nice one mate. Thanks boss wink.gif from you that's a real compliment It's great that you've got that kind of quality hash by only using household items that were available to you already.

You've made it of a quality and received the yield of average bubble bag runs - I usually expect around a 3 gram return from an oz of trim/air bud. Thanks, that's what I wanted to know, as I was a bit confused after drooling over HMT's fantastic pics one day and then reading that he expects 3-4 gm. of usable material from a 200 gm. run. I thought, alright for him, he's an artist and perfectionist who obviously has unendless quantities of trim to work with, but I'm an artisan who just wants to get a good quantity/quality ratio. It's thanks to him that I tried this out really, 'cause I couldn't justify investing in bubble bags and all the work and hassle if I was only going to get say 10 gm of really good stuff out of it. Like this I've got about 30 gm. A Grade and 10 gm. B Grade (which has turned out to be in some ways better than the A Grade, but more on that later) from a short pound of just trim with maybe 1-2% little buds.
When you use trim/ air bud that has been frozen from fresh for making the hash you get a slightly cleaner and slightly lower yield of cleaner hash. This is the kind of translucent stuff you're talking about (and that which comes out at the %'s you're claiming). That is the FMCD (full melt clear dome) hash which it seems you are just short of making with this batch. But like you say - that's not what you've tried to produce. Using dried trim and your methods there, tiny particles of plant matter break off, get soaked and sink with the resin. It's not something you can see until at very high levels and the hash takes on a greeny hue, but I'd bet that will be the case to a certain extent with the hash you have there. That is what you can see with the water marks of that which has leaked out, and that which is still inside the hash throughout. That's true for that bit which was the impurest batch of all for some interesting reasons, though for say 10% more impurity I managed to thrash almost 50% more take out of it, 16.5 gm. from 140 gm. just trim which is really pretty good (12%? more or less I think.) But a couple of the other batches must really be as pure as I claim. Sexy Sedimentina sort of proves the point I think, as you can see the structure of the layers in the sediment quite clearly. I'm not saying it's impure or anything (it's great looking hash), but 95% is an optimistic reckoning unless FMCD hash is produced. wink1.gifHere's one for you Sir Grobag biggrin.gif
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Now there was trim from 3 different plants in this run, and one can see it from the layers. I got it wrong yesterday though: the bottom layer is the Blueberry as I thought, but the middle light sandy one is my sativa Pearl which had been around for ages and was therefore fairly pulverised, hence the very light green streak up the top of it, which one can see is more pronounced on the left hand side of the mould as is was slanting that way. Up the top is the Olé that produces that lovely red golden colour and was indeed harvested late, therefore the presence of completely amber trichs up the top, that obviously must be lighter or just slightly smaller than their immaturer colleages. That just has the faintest traces of green on top Click to view attachment. Hardly visable and interspersed with the reddish brown of the top layer of trichs. Now this is horizonztal layering and not vertical rofl.gif so that faint trace of green is not throughout the mass. Birds of a feather flock together in sediment layering. It's a layer so insignificant as to be hardly visable, whereas the BB down the bottom would seem to have produced no green at the top of its layer whatsoever, or it mixed in with Pearl's green layer which I think unlikely. But seriously, looking at that in segment like that, where the different coloured materials are clearly visable and estimable, would you give the green element more than 2-3% of total? I wouldn't. And if you look at the material at the top that's stuck to the sides on the way down, it's quite obviously wall-to-wall trichs. In the front capsule there's a tiny darker layer right down the bottom which looks like earth and I suspect might be just that, but I can't give it more than 1% of total. Apart from that I notice a few dark specks in the BB trichs, which might possibly be a couple of pistils I think as the only flowers in there were BB and I observed today that in ice water dry leaf will initially float but the pistils sink like lead. They are probably slightly resin-coated and otherwise of a structure that waterlogs easily. Interesting point as I was thinking of doing a bud run in a couple of weeks to see the results (as of 25% hash return I'm icing my whole stash I tell you cool.gif I looooove this stuff. Tasty as hell, I thought ice hash was supposed to be a bit bland and samey versus dry sift hash... quite the opposite. Even the different grades of the same plant are completely different. The Blueberry produced a very similar hash to the old top Afghan Gold in the A Grade and the B Grade is very similar to Afghan Black in appearance, taste and effect. Amazing. The best of the lot if what I thought was going to be the Z Grade, made from silt off the top of the water which had a lot of fine green in it end really fine yellow dust. Here it is... this washed up bit of paper Click to view attachment turned into these strange dark green flakes Click to view attachment a couple of small flakes of which this afternoon got me 2 times more stoned both physically and mentally than I've been since I was a spotty insecure teenager (many years ago rofl.gif). With an even higher intensity of peppery spice taste that the A Grade has. My head needs an explanation for that, Maestro Grobag, if you can oblige biggrin.gif . I have an idea about why which has to do with fine yellow powder suspended on the surface of the sediment water, but it's so far-fetched it would even beat my outragous purity claims wink.gif rofl.gif But if what I'm thinking is even half-way correct, the question of purity or less would be redundant, 'cause we'd anyway be missing most of the best bit. That would be the case if for instance if the finest resin particles never made it down into any gravity based collection system like bags or buckets because too fine to break the water film. Or it's not resin but something else. Have to look at it under the scope; to the naked eye it seems similar to the powdery pollen one finds on the pistils of some flowers. All very strange! 34.gif


Great job mate and it really is good to hear you take such an interest in it, and it being a labour of love like you say. I think we have ourselves another believer. Haleganga, Prise the Lard yahoo.gif you'd better believe it. This progress turns me on even more than the first ever bud harvest. Thanks a lot for posting, big morale booster to get a thumbsupsmileyanim.gif from the boss, and please come back from time to time with your experience and wisdom 'cause most of my little experiments that I've been doing with sedimentation and collection have been throwing up some answers but even more questions. It's fascinating to dicover for instance, that in sediment the resin of one plant can layer above the green plant debris of another, as in my baby Sedimentina. But it has enormous implications for me in terms of collection, whether bubble, bucket or magic flute. Here's a little egg just for you Maestro Click to view attachment with a crosscut Click to view attachment to show it's really not that bad as it's the impurer one with the infamous green ring in the otherwise brown/red/golden/yellow/amber landshaft whistling.gif Weird, I just tried another egg I made from that and it's the spiciest and in some ways stoniest of all the batches. Strange old world 34.gif


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Addition: If you were to be not quite so vigorous in mixing (doing it by hand with a stick instead of using the drill - use a thick dope stem) and you used fresh frozen trim straight from the plant when croppped without drying, then you would produce FMCD hash without the use of bubble bags, which is great. smile.gif Then the hash would be in the high 90%'s resin wise (not THC obviously).



Too late to upload photos of today's fun and games in the research section, folks.... sorry, but who knows, it might be a rainy Sunday. Watch this space
pimp.gif!TILT!
Green Goblin
Hi TILT,
You sure have some spaced out days to come m8.

GG
TILT!

You're not joking, GG.... beginning to wonder if I should have started this lark, 'cause I skinned up some grass yesterday, not just any old skunk but a oozing pedigree Herer, and thought "what's this weak stuff then?" cry.gif

Going away for a week or so and couldn't catch up with describing the experiments I've been doing anyway, so here's just a random selection of photos from the last few days and notes:

Click to view attachment Good stuff very spicy and trippyClick to view attachmentice is useful for seperation in different waysClick to view attachmentlook like 2 urine samples but I want what makes the water yellowClick to view attachment 'cause it came from purifying this dry sift so there should be a lot of the powder which with water normally gets lost by floating off... ach, experiments experiments, but the arab bazaar is getting bigger and biggerClick to view attachment.

Catch up in a week, when a fair amount of B Grade (the one like Afghani Black), but also Z Grade (putrid green gunge with some that angel dust), will be added to that bazaar pic. All grades final reckoning will be more like 50 gm than 40, at least 30 of which A Grade... quite chuffed, don't think many people can squeeze that amount out of a short pound of leaf trim, with any method.

yahoo.gif TILT! yahoo.gif
Hashishin
I bet your well pleased with yourself, and rightly so. Looks very nice indeed, I have always loved my good quality hash.
Nice work thumbsup.gif.
dudley
Great read Tilt

Let us know just how quickly you get thru that 50ish gm

With all those lost minutes staring at numerous containers deciding which one to sample next

Great fun and well done

Green Goblin
Hi Tilt,
You cetainly do have a very nice selection there m8.

I'm going to have to roll a phat now, keep it comming?:

GG

Your hooked on this ice extraction for good I think TILT.
OeN
cracking read TILT...............i have just aquired half a carrier bag of warlock trim and will be running it through household items like yourself tomorrow morning..............feels fantastic to get the added quality hash from your already quality homegrown............ yahoo.gif smoke.gif

im currently smoking the scissor hash from todays cropping and by god its strong stuff with an almost instant high........WOW.........cant wait to get some more tomorrow......... smoke.gif
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