Skunk No.1 is my all round favourite smoke - its just so satisfying!
I have grown Sensi's version, and the Kulu one {much better than expected, but not quite up to the Sensi release}.
But I am now getting ready to buy a new pack of seeds. But Whose? Dutch Passion? Flying Dutchmen? Anybody elses?


One day I'll maybe find a male {Yep, in over thirty Skunk No.1 seeds to date, only found 2 scraggly looking blokes, all the rest Female or non starters}, and produce my own, but in the meantime........

Hi Arnie'
I found mine in a freebie pack over a year ago and its still my best so far. TFD and DP are the obvious ones I think.
DP have that new one 'Ultra Skunk', might be woth a try and b52 sounds like a good skunk line.

im doing b52 there about a week old outta 5 outta 5 of em popped through ive never smoked b52 so hope its as good as ive been reading

The best Skunk #1, is the original Skunk #1, brought over by the Skunkman and first offered widely to the public by Nevil's The Seed Bank in the mid- to late-1980s. I'm in the process of re-introducing this original Seed Bank version of Skunk #1 through FDM, if you can wait a few months you will be pleasantly rewarded I think.

So many growers chase the Holy Grail of the perfectly adapted indoor sativa, when true Sk#1 may well be the best adapted indoor sativa ever created. And it's an IBL to boot, which means it could be the last strain you ever need to buy. It's also one of the best strains to breed with your favorite clones...it tends to add stability, yield and potency without influencing taste and smell too much.

Other nearly original versions on the market include The Flying Dutchmen's The Pure, sold at the uk420 store, and the Skunkman's "Freebie" Skunk #1 offered through Seedsdirect.com. Sensi's Skunk #1 also offers a fairly original version of Skunk #1 (also at the UK420 store). However, all of these versions have been selected for or crossed into more indica-based phenotypes than was true with the original Seed Bank version.

If you prefer a more balanced indica/sat mix in your growroom than the 25/75 indy/sat mix of the Original Sk#1, then the current versions may satify you. However, many indica/skunk hybrids are probably more suited to you than Sk#1, such as DP's Ultra Skunk (also originally intro'd by The Seed Bank) or Sensi's SuperSkunk, a favorite of the old school production growers b/c of it's high yield, potency and sweet taste.

Skunk #1 set the standard for indoor cannabis way back when. It has rarely been equalled in overall quality and quantity of product and high, which is why it remains in so many breeder's programs to this day.

My bet is if most new growers started with Sk#1 and Northern Lights they would soon see how little most new hybrids have to offer, and come back to the tried and true. HTH

-b420

Thanks peeps
I am looking to maintain my true Skunk No.1 line - which I grow alongside various other Skunk Hybrids and what-have-you.
Baudelaire M8 - excellent news about your working on a release of the Skunk No.1 - I shall certainly wait; can't be difficult when I've got a pack of GD to smoke whilst I wait, .
Looks like my Grow is going to be rather resplendant in your lines by next winter - GD, Skunk and I think I'm going to have a go with the Double Dutch Haze Skunk too.......

baudelaire and arnold
i just grew out some of the skunkmans skunk freebie from gypsy... only got 1 female, she took almost 70 days and has about 65-70% red stigmas, nice fat buds with a lovely floral smell to them like spring flowers.
taste is sweet on the tongue with a nice aroma and it is avery smooth smoke(flushed for 3 weeks)

high is up and talkative but hits u hard after a few joints.

im very impressed with these seeds as theyre so old, and still capable of delivering a great product. its lamost like a window into the past! this was one of the first commercial strains i guess to come out of holland( thru america). can just imagine tokers in the past smokin some of this stuff back then..

btw,just germd 6 cindys, been 2 days 5/6 have popped the soil!! the fastest germinating of 23 seeds, seems like we'll have some vigorous plants soon!
thanks
ds

Hi all,

Just to add a little, dutch passion also to a strain called "Skunk #11" I have 3 in veg atm as my next grow (after the Skunk #1 finishes flowering ) Have no idea on the parentage of this line..


Flux.

very interesting post,

i've experimented with a few strains but keep coming back to the skunk #1.
the seeds came over from the dam in the late 80's from the sensi seed bank,my freind put the females outside in his border,not knowing much about cannabis at the time he only took cuttings from one plant (thinking they would all be exactly the same) and we've been cloning ever since.
the plant isnt a massively heavy yeilder but the smoke is so sweet and the high...well i'm still growing it and smoking it after 15 years.
the only disadvantage with this plant is you're house smells like a camembert factory...hence its nickname round these parts ...the cheese.

c f

I love my skunk, yield is abismal for a skunk but the flavour(spicy) and high are top level and ..imo, is best when taken after 50days flowering no longer, so its probably a way off from the origional ...fast finish poor yield :wasnnme:

I want to buy unique strains and would be willing to pay top ££ for them.
There are more skunk hybrids out there than you can shake a stick at. But if you want the origional It says a lot about the state of breading over the last 15-20 years
If they cant even preserve a strain like sk1, what use are they to anyone?
We could make our own hybrid seeds, fuck-ups an'all, there's nothing big about that.

RIP sk1?
Please tell me it isn't so


[enter stage left] ...Deee de darrr di darrrr

Sensi's as you say is excellent im wanting to try the flying dutchmens version as well as ive heard good things, personally a true breeding strain like #1 is worth more to me as a grower than some more expensive less stable genetics. BBB

if you like sk 1 and you grow, you really should forget sk1 and get b52 instead.

i have been growing it most of this year, it is sk1 and big bud daddy... its the same stone as sk1 with MUCH bigger buds...

just my opinion mind


UKE

Hi UkExpat,

Yo Expat,
As a grower, I'm not long out of nappies myself and I am not very knowledgeable about breading, what I posted above is not far off the full extent of my knowledge on the subject. I know just about enough to understand why some people get very upset about what commercial so called breeders are doing to the gene pool.
Most hybrids are a genetic cul-de-sac even if they are great for growing. It would be nice to see breeders offering a choice of F1 hybrids and IBL's.
How many NEW IBS's can you think of?

A big part of the problem is that it is almost impossible for a breeder who, makes the effort to produce a unique IBL too protect their work from the genetic equivalent of plagiarism.

Stable breading lines are the building blocks for F1's and other hybrids, no IBL's means no hybrids. So it’s not just an issue for purist.

Due to its legal status the cana gene pool never has been particularly great but even I can see that in the last 10 years it has become dire, what will it be like in another 10 years?
This thread I think, proves the point.
Skunk? ..It’s as common as ditch weed, isn’t it?
And Northern Lights, where did that one go?
Ok, Sensi have NL#5, but is it the original? Is it still an IBL? Good NL genetics are not easy to find, why?
…Its because once it is gone (hybridised) its gone for ever. So if no one can be arsed with IBL’s where are the killer hybrids that we all want to grow, going to come from. I can see a time when all weed will yield good, finish in eight weeks at about four to five feet tall and give the generic high that ‘most’ people like. Maybe not today and maybe to tomorrow, but some day soon…

I think you got it MYH. This upcoming Nevil's Skunk #1 release is an attempt to preserve those IBLs which have survived the whirlwind of hybridizing over the past 10 years. Skunk is a perfect example of the "great" strain that so many fooled with to try to impart its greatness on their strains that the resulting hybrids have pushed the original strain into the shadow. Today it is very hard to find an original pure Skunk #1.

For example, most growers think Skunk #1 is very strong smelling to grow. Truth is, Skunk/indica hybrids - which includes 90% of the skunk varieties on the market - are very smelly to grow. But my Nevil's Skunk hardly smells at all at 45 days in bloom. Only when I brush against the buds can I smell anything at all. Indica genes cause pot to stink, not Skunk genes.

Nevils Skunk #1 will be a release intended for the conneisseur grower and amateur breeder. It is a true IBL of a 75% sativa strain acclimatized for indoor cultivation.

-b420

Baud forgot to say I grew out some of those Sk#1 seeds you sent me 2 or 3 years back. They are very near to the Sk I knew as it was many years back in the Cali days, the plants were a little shorter, they have that same sweet smell and taste, much more uniform than I remember, but they still have that up clear high, very nice I thought. They were ready [to my tastes] on 12/12 between 8.5 and 9.5 weeks.

I have also grown some of the sk seeds that G was sending out as a freebie. These I would not recognise as Sk or Sk#1 they had a lot of indica in them compared to #1, the sweet smell was absent, to be quite honest they reminded me of the generic nondescript bland Dutch weed we all know and hate.

I also grew out some of the pungent skunk, they were a very different kettle of fish. Every one of them hermed a little but not enough to pull them, I did not like the high or the taste. I did not find them pungent though, they actually had a very nice perfume indeed both as plants and once dry.

hi baud, MYH, ot1,

respect to you all... im going to be hanging round this forum more often, i still have much to learn in this area...

thanks for the info... found it all very interesting.

cheers guys

Hi Baudelaire,

I am currently growing out a small pack of 5 seeds, Your FDM Dutch Haze Skunk that came from the server appeal on UK420 a while back. I was just reading the write up in the store and noticed that it’s crossed with Haze & Skunk #1. I understand that they are F2 crosses now (though so far there seems very little difference between the 5 of them, all very consistent and growing like they are on steroids!) but it mentions they are more Skunk than Haze. After reading this thread with interest, I just wondered how close would you say the skunk parent plant that you used to breed is to the original Skunk #1?
As this seems to describe some of the traits of the original Skunk #1 you mention earlier on in the thread.

Quoted from the store.
A great indoor sativa-dominant variety with low odor and a nice up high.
Vigorous grower, short 2-3 inch internode length, fat 3 inch diameter buds.
Not too strong, but plenty to get you where you want to go.
Very social high, good with friends and at parties.

I can’t wait to sample them!
Bud Brother.

Hi Bud Brother,
Baudelaire could explain this better than me but i think the fact that they are f2's almost crtainly means that he crossed a Dutch Haze Skunk with another Dutch Haze Skunk so he might never have seen the origional skunk that was used to make Dutch Haze Skunk in the firts place ...if you see what i mean

Think I’m with you MYH, it’s confusing at times this breading lark I must read up more on the subject. Hope I haven’t asked a stupid question!

Thanks anyway!

Bud Brother

I don't know how close the Skunk 1 in Dutch Haze Skunk is to "the original" Sk1, but it could be as close as two or three generations removed. The DHS is an f2 sibling cross of The Flying Dutchmen's "Haze Pure", a cross of Haze and TFD's 20-year old "pure" line of Skunk #1, which they trace directly to the Skunkman, who supposedly brought the line to Europe from California. I say two or three generations because I suspect the Haze Pure was backcrossed at least once to the Skunk parent to lessen the Haze influence. HTH

b420

Thanks Baudelaire, that’s a great little insight to the history of your Dutch Haze Skunk.

I have 2 female DHS from the five planted and have been flowering on 12/12 now for 26 days together with 2 Sweet tooth#3 from spice of life.

The buds on both strains are about equal in size and are now starting to fill out. So far both of the ST#3 began showing signs of resin around 14 days are now showing loads of Trichome development for just over 3 half weeks, but the 2 Dutch Haze Skunk have only just started to develop a few tiny resin glands that I can just about see with the naked eye.

I know its still early days in terms of flowering and I'm new to both strains and would expect there to be some difference between them. I just wondered if the DHS is a late starter when it comes to resin production?, possibly as a result from the Haze influence. In your experience would you say it’s a heavy resin producer?

Thanks,
Bud Brother.

Bud Brother, what you are seeing is the classic differences between sativa and indica resin and trichome formation. ST3 is a full-blood indica, it will finish probably 10-15 days earlier that the DHS, and so will show resin formation quicker.

ST3 will also be far more resin coated than DHS or any mostly sativa strain. Sativas have smaller and fewer resin glands, and thinner trichome stalks. But as sativa smokers attest to again and again, it is the quality of high found in those trichomes that makes it worth the effort.

When your harvest is in and the buds cured, I think you'll find the DHS an enervating, happy alternative to the heavy, couchlock ST3 high. That said, I think you've made an excellent choice in the ST3. It's one of the few indicas in my library, and I think Breeder Steve has done an outstanding job with her.

-b420

That would explain things! I was thinking along those lines when I mentioned the haze influence. Though when in veg the DHS showed fairly broad leaves and I was presuming they would lean more to the indica side of things. But now in flower, all of the new leaf growth is far narrower looking and a lighter green in colour when compared to the ST3.

Only 5 days on from my last post, but I can now see the resin forming on both of
the DHS much more clearly, as you say the trichomes look thinner in comparison.
I realize now when looking at them that the pistils and bud formation on one DHS in particular looks much finer altogether. More Sativa like, as you describe.

I'm a very new grower (first grow!) and I don't know a lot but I've leant a fair bit from this thread

Question: I've recently planted some of the flying duchmens "The Pure" seeds (10 out of 11 germed so far - yey!) Now on the packet it says..

Developed: USA, stabilized hybrid
Sativa/Indica: 75%-25%
etc..etc..

Then it claims: "The one and only . Original Skunk #1"

Like I said, I'm a novice at all this so does this actually mean anything?
Does anyone have experience with "The Pure" and if so is it acually any different to Sk#1 (bearing in mind I've grown neither).

Cheers,
g23

grower 23 - I haven't grown it yet, but all reports I've read lead me to believe that TFD's 'Pure' may be as close to the original Sk#1 as anything currently available on the market.

Anything except perhaps 'Nevil's Skunk', an assession of a early 90's vintage Skunk #1 line that Fleur du Mal will introduce at the UK420 store later this month. Nevil's Skunk traces its lineage directly to the original Seed Bank stocks of Skunk #1 of the late 80s and early 90s.

TFD claims their Skunk #1 is created from 20-year old Skunk #1 stock from the Skunkman, the supposed creator of the strain. I tend to believe it is more or less true, and look forward to comparing The Pure to the Nevil's Skunk soon.

I'd say you've got a classic indoor strain that is likely one of the few truebreeding indoor mj strains available. I'd grow it out, select a few robust females and males, and make a mixed sibling cross of the lot. You may never need another mj seed again.

-b420

I'm looking out for Nevil's Skunk
Let us know when we an get our hands on them

Cheers MYH

Cheers Baudelaire Sounds like I made a good buy. They were only 20 quid (for 11) as well.

Another Q,
Well they've all popped but one now and are growing into tall seedlings very quickly. Is this the dominant sativa side doing this or is there something I can do to keep them a bit stockier? Cos I can see them taking over the growroom left to their own devices.

Also..
Do SK#1 take well to being 'pinched out' (you kno, where you make them branch off - not sure if I'm right in saying 'pinched out'.) I know most plants do but I read that some strains don't like it as much.

Cheers

g23

IME, Skunk will handle just about any kind of growing practice, its a damned hardy plant. I have a mother plant which has had more abuse than could fill the devil's dreambook!!!! She was my first ever "real" grow. I serial cloned her for five years {I had no knowledge of keeping "Moms" back then}, revegged her from post-harvest a couple of times, cutting a 5 foot plant back to 7 inches!!!! She has had mites and thrips, been overheated, underwatered and all sorts in her time. She has neen pinched, fimmed {well, an attempt!}, tied up, tied down, grown in, and outside, been grown big, and small.....
And now, in her "mom" form, she is my trademark plant. I wouldn't loose her for the world.
Yep, you can pinch it out M8 Soz about all that, got a tad carried away. I am smoking her right now you see.....

Hi

Has anyone tryed the Seedsman SK1 seeds? How do these compare the the orig??

Cheers

Hydronaut

@ Arnold
i use the same method for my skunk keeper and she just keeps on coming back for more

i will be sorry to see her go but cindy is whipping her in every department and i dont have the space

im sure there are better skunks out there that could hold there own in the company of cindy and as soon as i find one, she'll get the chop.

Shhhhhhh! Damn Man, you'll scare her, she's only next door.....



Serious: She may not be the strongest in my room, but she IS the sweetest all round. Both to grow {see above} and to smoke {Every spliff a smile and some pain relief} - I think I'll always make room for her.....

{Whispering now...} Unless that Nevilles Skunk that Baudelaire is working on takes her place. My guess is it will......

Nice

I don't think I'll be pinching out now though, simply 'cos I've planted too many as it is, so space is going to be a bit scarce - especially while the last lot are still in flowering! My house is getting taken over! (really need to get that cabinet built)

thanks Arnold

g23

A,L

You could consider breeding with your keeper, that is if you like the nevs #1's.

I think it is worth keeping any exceptional plant, it is also worth while progeny testing her. She has helped you a lot with your med problems, if daughters from her are as good, it may be that seeds from her could help other med users do you think?

OT1, Progeny testing was commenced awhile back - I had a promising WW male, so pollinated a couple of branches. The results have been excellent. I gave a load of the seeds away, and have had some good reports. I have a resultant plant in Mom format now, a superb Indica hitter with just enough sativa buzz to keep one smiling, and a hefty yielder to boot. All that I have grown out so far have been surprisingly uniform, with a nice scale of buzzes.
I plan on introducing Nevs Skunk, also Double Dutch Haze Skunk; I shall attempt a hack cross of both with my existing Sk 1 Mom, should be entertaining.
I hopefully will end up with a good selection of seeds, which will find many medi-growers here and there no doubt....
Meanwhile, my Sk1 will shortly be sending youngsters off to at least one, maybe three new medi-grows over the next couple of months. So far, she has been happy in all sorts of gro-systems.

HydroNaut,

In response to your question "Has anyone tryed the Seedsman SK1 seeds? How do these compare the the orig??".

The Skunk No 1 seeds sold by Seedsman come from Sam the Skunk Man creator of Skunk No 1 (who ran a seed company formerly known as Sacred Seeds).

They are the original IBL genetics created by Sam in California in the late 1970's, who later brought them to Holland where they revolutionised the Dutch Cannabis scene.

If you would like to check this out more there are some well detailed pages in the Cannabible by Jason King.

Seedsman, welcome to UK420. Your outfit is relatively new it seems, but if your selection of genetics is as you claim, they are a welcome addition to the current commercially available stocks. I share with you my admiration for Sam's contribution to cannabis development, as well as having the pleasure of his occasional correspondence and insights.

I would concur with you that your Sk1 and the Nevs Sk1 have very similar if not the same lineage. The only significant differences may be in the number of accessions produced of each line. I believe "Sam" likes to refresh his stocks every 2-3 years, whereas the Nev's Sk comes directly from a 1991 accession which was stored frozen for almost 10 years. It will be interesting to see some of the grow-outs of the two lines to see just how they vary from their common origins.

Again, welcome and please invite Sam to join us anytime.

-b420

Hi

Seedsman...thanks for your reply..i've got some seeds here ready to go so ill see how they turn out.
I've grown out Sensi's version, but with the reduced flowering time they've obviously tinkered with it.

Baudelaire...hi..funny you should mention about doing some grow-out's.I was waiting for the Nev's SK1 to become available and doing a side by side grow of the two.I thought it might be interesting to see how the two compared.Mind you, i wouldnt know the orig SK1 if you poked me in the eye with it !
Still. ill give it a go.

Hydronaut

the original skunk #1, from sam skunkman is available as 'the pure' from flying dutchmen, seedsman, or as freebies with any seedsdirect order

havent tried em out myself (yet), but i've heard good reports

Interesting read but some of the TLAs lost me, WTF is an "IBL" and "IBS" also what's an "F2"?

Hi binary,

IBL = in bred line, a strain which has been back crossed to itself to breed true for the certain traits that the breeder was selecting for.

F2 = the result of crossing f1's

F1 = (in theory) the hybrid resulting from two distinct parental lines (in an ideal world,IBL's, but in our illicit hobby, these terms are used very flexibly)

EG. Afghani x haze - gives you an f1 - which will be uniform (kinda) If you create the f2's, they will be all over the shop, from the little affi to the BIG haze and most points between, a good place to start selection, a bugger to maintain an even canopy.

Many thanks Utopiate.



So you would start with one plant, produce a male and female it then polinate the two resultant plants together? What's the objective behind this?

Hi binary,

Nope, we aren't talking about selfing. Which would be taking the one (elite) plant and changing sex by stress or hormones etc. though it seems a popular method of attack these days. The point of that is to make money I think

An in bred line presumes a population of plants that have been selected for certain traits, with the pressures of selection and environment, you get a more inbred line, vigour may suffer eventually, but they will breed true for those traits, prolly.

If you wish to choose for fibre production then sex is immaterial, and you would choose the most fibrous, I assume.

If we are looking for drug cultivars, we might select for the ones that do the business, have branches strong enough to support the ample buds etc and have a distinct aversion to turning into lady boys.

All about numbers and selection really, not brain surgery - it's botany

U

old thread...

1 question: (and not directed exclusively to seedsman [who hasn't posted in years!], just anyone who may know)

Do the seeds still come from Sam?

Read on a different website that this is no longer the case, would like to try the original skunk, or as close as it can get to it

Cheers

As far as i know Skunk 1 isn't as it used to be all them years ago. As reported in the earlier posts it's more indica dominant nowadays. I think maybe the Pure from flying dutchman is about as close as you'll get

Was going to go for Skunk 1 but not sure now. Anyone else out there who can reccommend a skunk strain?

DNA Genetics - Lemon Skunk

Can't see why you wouldn't go for The Pure from flying dutchman, it rocks!!