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sunlover
QUOTE(Mrs Hash Cake @ Feb 6 2008, 10:29 AM) *
Hello sunlover

Welcome to UK420. You will love it here.

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Mrs HC
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hi everyone. i am going tomorrow to buy my seeds, i thought i would buy "Dutch Pasion" seeds cos they seem to have good review, anyone got any advice that would help in my choosing which brand/make, i thought i would go with white widow and blueberry. i am not sure whether to buy fems or not, any help would be greatly apprciated. ta unsure.gif
withnail
Sounds like a good place to start wink.gif

Both WW and blueberry are classic strains although akaik the blueberry can be a bit temperamental but I've not grown it so cannot say for sure unsure.gif

As for fems again its a personal choice.I've read plenty on here from both sides of the argument.In some cases there is more of a risk of hermying from female seeds plus plenty of people have had males from fems.However plenty of people grow femmed seeds with no problems at all.. your decision i suppose guitar.gif
sunlover
QUOTE(withnail @ Feb 8 2008, 11:53 AM) *
Sounds like a good place to start wink.gif

Both WW and blueberry are classic strains although akaik the blueberry can be a bit temperamental but I've not grown it so cannot say for sure unsure.gif

As for fems again its a personal choice.I've read plenty on here from both sides of the argument.In some cases there is more of a risk of hermying from female seeds plus plenty of people have had males from fems.However plenty of people grow femmed seeds with no problems at all.. your decision i suppose guitar.gif

thanks for that, what do you think of Dutch Passion seeds withnail, as i dont know really which brand to buy. i might go with regular and fems of both lots to ensure i do get some females (hopefully) unsure.gif
withnail
I'm no expert I'm afraid sunlover rolleyes.gif but lots of people seem to have a pretty good opinion of DP, certainly plenty of people growing thier seeds.I'm just finishing some WW that were DP in a roundabout kind of way and I have to say they are mighty fine 31.gif


How many plants do you want to end up with? You can normally hope for about 50/50 male /female with standard seeds but there is no guarantee.My first grow I did 10 seeds for 3 females, my friend did 5 seeds and got 5 females doh.gif
herbmister
QUOTE(sunlover @ Feb 6 2008, 08:35 AM) *
i just cant wait to get started! spliff.gif

helo and good look
sunlover
QUOTE(withnail @ Feb 8 2008, 04:55 PM) *
I'm no expert I'm afraid sunlover rolleyes.gif but lots of people seem to have a pretty good opinion of DP, certainly plenty of people growing thier seeds.I'm just finishing some WW that were DP in a roundabout kind of way and I have to say they are mighty fine 31.gif


How many plants do you want to end up with? You can normally hope for about 50/50 male /female with standard seeds but there is no guarantee.My first grow I did 10 seeds for 3 females, my friend did 5 seeds and got 5 females doh.gif
hi, withnail, i was hoping for 5 females to look after, i think that would be enough to cope with at first, obviously being my first time, theres always a possibility that i could kill some by not looking after them properly until i get the hang of it. i have an electric propogator which i am going to put in the bottom of the growroom, my hubbie has sectioned it off for me, and i am going to put my seedlings in there and use cfls to grow them until its time to put them under the hid, what do you think of propogators?. funny thing is i have an NVQ1 & NVQ2 in horticulture and plant nusery & a RHS in horticulture, but with these "weeds" i feel totally out of my depth cos they can be so temperamental! unsure.gif
withnail
Yep props are the way to go for germing seedlings, a heated one even better wink.gif

Ah if you've got nvq's in horticulture I'm sure I'll be pestering you in no time.. if I can grow cannabis anyone can biggrin.gif

So if you want 5 females perhaps get 10 regular and 5 femmed, pop a couple of femmed and maybe 5 regular and save the rest for your next batch.... hopefully that would give you at least 5? unsure.gif


As for killing them in my limited experience if you get them past the first week they are pretty damn hard to kill biggrin.gif

compostverte
QUOTE(sunlover @ Feb 8 2008, 05:17 PM) *
funny thing is i have an NVQ1 & NVQ2 in horticulture and plant nusery & a RHS in horticulture, but with these "weeds" i feel totally out of my depth cos they can be so temperamental! unsure.gif

Only really because they're indoors so the natural balance of pests and diseases is out of kilter - so you have to be scrupulously clean.

And growing plants in a cupboard is similar to the issues around the differences between soil and compost when growing in containers.
The temperature and humidity might say "lovely summer's day in Jamaica", but you really can't have too much ventilation. (says he with his grow acting as illumination and heating for the living room and only a crappy bathroom fan to keep the fumes down during the day . whistling.gif )

But it's seriously cool to be manipulating the plant's natural grow cycles. It may not be as good as the Jamaican sun, but there are never any clouds - so "spring" and "autumn" have as much sunshine as "summer" - and they flower exactly when you decide they will flower. 13.gif

Since you're a gardener I would say stick with normal seeds - it's part of the learning process. guitar.gif
sunlover
QUOTE(compostverte @ Feb 8 2008, 08:56 PM) *
QUOTE(sunlover @ Feb 8 2008, 05:17 PM) *
funny thing is i have an NVQ1 & NVQ2 in horticulture and plant nusery & a RHS in horticulture, but with these "weeds" i feel totally out of my depth cos they can be so temperamental! unsure.gif

Only really because they're indoors so the natural balance of pests and diseases is out of kilter - so you have to be scrupulously clean.

And growing plants in a cupboard is similar to the issues around the differences between soil and compost when growing in containers.
The temperature and humidity might say "lovely summer's day in Jamaica", but you really can't have too much ventilation. (says he with his grow acting as illumination and heating for the living room and only a crappy bathroom fan to keep the fumes down during the day . whistling.gif )

But it's seriously cool to be manipulating the plant's natural grow cycles. It may not be as good as the Jamaican sun, but there are never any clouds - so "spring" and "autumn" have as much sunshine as "summer" - and they flower exactly when you decide they will flower. 13.gif

Since you're a gardener I would say stick with normal seeds - it's part of the learning process. guitar.gif

thanks for that guys, i suppose you could say i was a gardener, did my courses 10 years ago but never really used any of it, forgot a lot! moved home etc, garden at the mo looks like a shit heap! want to grow these badly to smoke and to prove to myself i can do it. was reading your diary last night and found it so interesting, cant understand why you would want to grow salads tho! ive been practising germinating seeds which i brought back from jamaica last year cos dont want to mess up the good ones when i get them.

the only problem i have is when i smoke it stops me sleeping for some reason ( i,m a bad sleeper anyway) so have to confine it to weekends so it dont matter. no one else i know has this problem. anyway i can see that its gonna keep me busy and am really looking forward to getting starte. cheers everyone
G-Whizz!
QUOTE(withnail @ Feb 8 2008, 07:44 PM) *
Yep props are the way to go for germing seedlings, a heated one even better wink.gif

I wouldn't recommend a heated prop, as they have been known to frazzle seedlings smile.gif

Why pay them inflated prices anyway? Surely a normal £3 one (or even less) and an airing cupboard does the trick wink1.gif

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sunlover
QUOTE(G-Whizz! @ Feb 8 2008, 10:15 PM) *
QUOTE(withnail @ Feb 8 2008, 07:44 PM) *
Yep props are the way to go for germing seedlings, a heated one even better wink.gif

I wouldn't recommend a heated prop, as they have been known to frazzle seedlings smile.gif

Why pay them inflated prices anyway? Surely a normal £3 one (or even less) and an airing cupboard does the trick ;)

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hi G-Whizz, i just thought i would use it cos i already had it for years, my 1 is temperature controlled, or supposed to be. i thought perhaps the airing cupboard might be too hot, but you could be right cos ive had a bit of trouble germinating the seeds i have in soil, in the propogator, so will try the kitchen towel method in the airing cupboard with the bought seeds i think. cheers for that smoke.gif
G-Whizz!
QUOTE(sunlover @ Feb 8 2008, 10:30 PM) *
i just thought i would use it cos i already had it for years

Ahhh, thought you were gonna buy one stoned.gif

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i thought perhaps the airing cupboard might be too hot

The only way you'll know is by taking a reading wink1.gif

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will try the kitchen towel method in the airing cupboard with the bought seeds i think

Place them in a tupperware container or similar so that you retain the moisture better thumbsup.gif

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withnail
QUOTE(G-Whizz! @ Feb 8 2008, 10:15 PM) *
QUOTE(withnail @ Feb 8 2008, 07:44 PM) *
Yep props are the way to go for germing seedlings, a heated one even better wink.gif

I wouldn't recommend a heated prop, as they have been known to frazzle seedlings smile.gif

Why pay them inflated prices anyway? Surely a normal £3 one (or even less) and an airing cupboard does the trick ;)

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Fair enough G-whizz biggrin.gif

I can only talk as I found and my seedlings all popped quicker in the heated prop than the unheated one I bought first, plus I don't have an airing cupboard guitar.gif

I guess that just shows you sunlover how many different opinions you'll find on most of the growing methods, its just a case of finding out what suits you I guess.
Like the seeds I always put mine straight into soil as I don't trust my clumsy hands moving sprouted seeds from paper towels into soil and have always has good results in my limited experience but each to their own... I think you'll find alot of that thumbsup.gif
sunlover
QUOTE(G-Whizz! @ Feb 9 2008, 12:42 PM) *
QUOTE(withnail @ Feb 9 2008, 11:01 AM) *
I can only talk as I found

Keep talking, all points of views welcome thumbsup.gif

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I guess that just shows you sunlover how many different opinions you'll find on most of the growing methods, its just a case of finding out what suits you I guess.

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each to their own...

Nothing wrong in that ;)

One man's wine is another man's poison ;)

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thanks for all the info guys. it is so helpful reading these pages, i ve got a thermometer etc and will test the temp of everything before i start. it is true, everyone has different ways and i guess i will find my own way in the end but gonna try everything, cos been shoping for seeds today and gonna start hopefully mon/tues, well as soon as hubby finishes everything off, poor darling, had him driving me all over the country today, buying seeds, lights nutes etc, he said i better get some plants out of all this after i emptied his pockets! lol.gif rofl.gif
herbsuperbbaby
Hey there sunlover and all the best,,what will you be growing in by the way?,as for fem seeds,ive done 3 crops with fem seeds,,PPP Nirvana,,Euforia DP,and Great white shark Paradise seeds,,all have grown well never had any probs with fem seeds and also a few freinds of mine use fem seeds and they same also,as for heated prop,i was also informed by grow shop to not bother with them unless really really cold else they just frazzle,but each to there own,,ppl succesful with both so down to your own view of it really,,ah yes i also got a fem white widow in flower at moment also grown very well and healthy,so personally id say go for fem seeds first "a good stable strain" ww,,skunk northern lights,all the best will pop in see how ya goin on

Herb
Hashishin
I personaly wouldn't use feminized seeds again as how the create them is to breed a hermaphrodite with a female and they say the resulting seeds are female. In all truth and reality some may be female but alot of them would hermaphrodite ( especially if stressed ) as they are not true females. I have used feminized seeds before and have found them to be a waste of time and money as they hermaphrodited later on in flowering ruining the crop with unwanted seeds. I would use regular seeds and grow them out and select the strongest and most vigerous female as a mother and then clone from that. This way once it is done you won't have to do it again and you are guaranteed a good strong smoke without the possibility of hermaphrodites or unwanted seed production. wink.gif
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sunlover
QUOTE(herbsuperbbaby @ Feb 10 2008, 10:41 AM) *
Hey there sunlover and all the best,,what will you be growing in by the way?,as for fem seeds,ive done 3 crops with fem seeds,,PPP Nirvana,,Euforia DP,and Great white shark Paradise seeds,,all have grown well never had any probs with fem seeds and also a few freinds of mine use fem seeds and they same also,as for heated prop,i was also informed by grow shop to not bother with them unless really really cold else they just frazzle,but each to there own,,ppl succesful with both so down to your own view of it really,,ah yes i also got a fem white widow in flower at moment also grown very well and healthy,so personally id say go for fem seeds first "a good stable strain" ww,,skunk northern lights,all the best will pop in see how ya goin on

Hi herb, thanks for the info, i am gonna be growing in compost. i have bought 5 dutch passion bluberry (fems) 5 big budda cheese (fems) and 10 white widow fems, the room almost completed, all but the mylar and my hubby got to put the extraction vents or whatever they are called in (hes the technical one), so gonna germinate my seeds this week hopefully. how do you germinate your seeds, thought i would try the paper towels and 2 plates at room temperature cos my airing cupboards is really too hot i think , cheers:spliff:

herbsuperbbaby
QUOTE(sunlover @ Feb 11 2008, 08:48 AM) *
QUOTE(herbsuperbbaby @ Feb 10 2008, 10:41 AM) *
Hey there sunlover and all the best,,what will you be growing in by the way?,as for fem seeds,ive done 3 crops with fem seeds,,PPP Nirvana,,Euforia DP,and Great white shark Paradise seeds,,all have grown well never had any probs with fem seeds and also a few freinds of mine use fem seeds and they same also,as for heated prop,i was also informed by grow shop to not bother with them unless really really cold else they just frazzle,but each to there own,,ppl succesful with both so down to your own view of it really,,ah yes i also got a fem white widow in flower at moment also grown very well and healthy,so personally id say go for fem seeds first "a good stable strain" ww,,skunk northern lights,all the best will pop in see how ya goin on

Hi herb, thanks for the info, i am gonna be growing in compost. i have bought 5 dutch passion bluberry (fems) 5 big budda cheese (fems) and 10 white widow fems, the room almost completed, all but the mylar and my hubby got to put the extraction vents or whatever they are called in (hes the technical one), so gonna germinate my seeds this week hopefully. how do you germinate your seeds, thought i would try the paper towels and 2 plates at room temperature cos my airing cupboards is really too hot i think , cheers:spliff:




Hey there,nice choice of seeds,iv used 2 methods,,soaked rockwool in ph water of 5.5,then popped the seeds in and put in dark cupboard in heated prop,"seems to take long" compared to my last way,,i just popped the seeds into some ph treated water 5.5 again let it stand for 24 hrs befor you put seeds in,also in dark,takes about 24/48 hrs for the root to pop out ,then ya can carefully transplant.
sunlover
QUOTE(herbsuperbbaby @ Feb 11 2008, 02:10 PM) *
QUOTE(sunlover @ Feb 11 2008, 08:48 AM) *
QUOTE(herbsuperbbaby @ Feb 10 2008, 10:41 AM) *
Hey there sunlover and all the best,,what will you be growing in by the way?,as for fem seeds,ive done 3 crops with fem seeds,,PPP Nirvana,,Euforia DP,and Great white shark Paradise seeds,,all have grown well never had any probs with fem seeds and also a few freinds of mine use fem seeds and they same also,as for heated prop,i was also informed by grow shop to not bother with them unless really really cold else they just frazzle,but each to there own,,ppl succesful with both so down to your own view of it really,,ah yes i also got a fem white widow in flower at moment also grown very well and healthy,so personally id say go for fem seeds first "a good stable strain" ww,,skunk northern lights,all the best will pop in see how ya goin on

Hi herb, thanks for the info, i am gonna be growing in compost. i have bought 5 dutch passion bluberry (fems) 5 big budda cheese (fems) and 10 white widow fems, the room almost completed, all but the mylar and my hubby got to put the extraction vents or whatever they are called in (hes the technical one), so gonna germinate my seeds this week hopefully. how do you germinate your seeds, thought i would try the paper towels and 2 plates at room temperature cos my airing cupboards is really too hot i think , cheers:spliff:




Hey there,nice choice of seeds,iv used 2 methods,,soaked rockwool in ph water of 5.5,then popped the seeds in and put in dark cupboard in heated prop,"seems to take long" compared to my last way,,i just popped the seeds into some ph treated water 5.5 again let it stand for 24 hrs befor you put seeds in,also in dark,takes about 24/48 hrs for the root to pop out ,then ya can carefully transplant.

hi herb thanks for that, i made a mistake on my last posting, i bought 5 blueberry fems, 5 cheese fems, and 10 white widow regular, gonna try your method of soaking them until the taproot comes out, but dont they get waterlogged, being in soak for so long.?
squirrel
The best germing method IMO is to just plant them straight into the compost, keep it moist but not wet, and keep in a room warm enough for you to sit in without a jumper. Works every time, and saves you handling the young plant at its most delicate stage. Presoaking, pH'd water, paper towels etc etc are all completely unnecessary. A propagator is mildly useful, but a plastic supermarket bag works just as well.

This is one of those areas of weed-growing where people have evolved all kinds of elaborate rituals to make the magic work, but completely failed to notice that it works just as well without the rituals. How many plants in your garden soak their seed in pHd water and then drop it into a paper towel bush?
Tony 2th
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when i smoke it stops me sleeping for some reason
could be the strain you've been smoking or it could be too fresh. try leaving a few buds out in the sunshine for a week and try again, alot of the THC will have degraded to CBN and you'll get a soporific effect. you might also try indica as opposed to sativa for a body effect rather than a cerebral one.
sunlover
QUOTE(Tony 2th @ Feb 11 2008, 05:18 PM) *
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when i smoke it stops me sleeping for some reason
could be the strain you've been smoking or it could be too fresh. try leaving a few buds out in the sunshine for a week and try again, alot of the THC will have degraded to CBN and you'll get a soporific effect. you might also try indica as opposed to sativa for a body effect rather than a cerebral one.
thanks for that tony, until rcently i didnt even realise that different strains had didnt effects! hows that for being green, rofl.gif
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