has anyone tried the new gold system from dutch master and if they have what do they think of it, bought it today, should have asked earlier. oops

A few of us from our local hydro shop are trialling the full range as we speak

Our man wont stock any nutes unless they send us a load of freebies to try first

Everything looking good up to now,but there are some bold claims by the makers,so we'll see

Owd

funny your should say that i got the liquid light and penatrator for free, they are free samples given to the shop. bonus

yo
i've given some of the promotional packs away for friends to try, before i try it myself-
what seems to happen is the leaves go a bit wierd and crinkled-then 24hours later the plants recover and look pumped up-with the leaves pointing dramatically upwards. It affects normal houseplants too. Not sure yet whether overall growth/yield is increased. But the rep cited some research showing a 40% increase in final yield-which i'm assuming is a straightfoward lie.
However-so far the effects have been dramatic and the jury's out on whether it is any good or not

been using the liquid light myself
all my leaves look droopy
but buds look nice and fat

The liquid light should be used in conjunction with the penetrator

Owd

owderd are u using the full gold range at the mo???

Yes mate

yeah am using both togeather

what are u using then owderd
just the gold and the liquid light??
or are u using zone/silica/max flower and the gold and light light???

hope u understood that

waste of time

Whats a waste of time

You asked me if i was using the WHOLE range and i replied yes

You asked the same again so i quoted what i'd said before..yes

Owd

i'm using the liquid light in conjuction with the penetrator
and i'll say the same as Ian
the leaves curl and looked nerfed for the first 24hrs then when they sort themselves they do look alot healthier

does make some mad claims..."turn your 600w into a 1000w" now that would be clever

Any updates re this from folks trying it out would be appreciated. I am considering using this and would love to see how anyone else is getting on.

Gracias

I've been using it in flower for nearly 3 weeks and i must admit it they are coming on well, i do use the whole system and everything does come on quicker, had no problems, which is good because i dont have time to mess about, i have had a chat with another 420 member who has just finished a grow and he said his buds are huge. Ask the shop if they have any free samples of liquid light and penatetrator, the rest wont cost a lot. hope that helps mate.

i have been using it on some cuttings
but recently tried it on a few of my 4 wk old seedlings
checked them the next day with no problems so used it on the other half and they look nice and healthy

Is the damage over long term usage because i've had no probs with the ones in flower (will soon be on fourth week) and have used them on another 2 for 4 weeks now with no probs?

Owd,
So after a couple of months of using this stuff, what's your opinion? Does it live up to the 40% claims being made by the manufacturer?

Couldnt tell you personally mate as my grow with the nutes unfortunately had to be abandoned after pythium struck

I did notice that newly rooted clones sprayed with liquid light and penetrator grew quicker than those that werent

But a couple of friends reported that there was no 40% increase

Plus that their ec,s kept rising and not dropping like the manufacturers claim

I dont know if this is coincidence but I knew of 4 or 5 folk that reported they had pythium,and i was one....I'm not for one minute blaming the nutrient but the only thing in common with the grows were the nutrient

I would also add that after 10 years in my room its the first time ive ever had it in there

Owd

That's interesting. Were you using their Zone product with the gold nutes?

Yep

good,
maybe that'll stop the wankers in your industry from spraying it with glass beads or whatever.

And what was the bad advice i gave

I offered no advice at all

And if you had read the thread you will see that i used their complete range

Whats up....do you work for them or summat

If its worked for you great,but out of all those that used it that came in my local shop,not one,and i mean not 1 has reported anywhere near 30,40,50% rise

Maybe its because they were already good growers

Owd

Ed to add



Like i said in my earlier post i aint blaming the nutrient but with the above quote

Pythium is water borne and what are nutrients mixed with.....so it is possible

Owd

And you are wrong again mate



I wish..........I dont get ANY personal gain from either here or anywhere else for that matter...and do not wish to

I get a bit of discount from my local shop but ive never mentioned the name of that shop or even where it is on here in all the time ive been here

But i also dont believe all i read neither...especially nutrient and seed sellers....they just need to sell

I use tap water by the way,but i ruled that out seeing as my youngsters and mums in a different room altogether were fed with the same water and were fine

I did end up throwing them all though just to be on the safe side

I have no signs of pythium now,and my grow is doing fine

Owd

Well lets have a detailed grow up from you then mate,thats the only way

According to DM anyone is already doing 1grm/watt for example and uses their nutes will see a massive difference in yield

I myself have read this time and time again from various nutrient makers over the years and have tried some of these so called super nutes

And do you know mate there is not one that has done what their claims claim

So please excuse me if i'm a bit suspicious of any claim from commercial enterprises

I hope your grows go well too and look forward to seeing one of your detailed grows

Owd

Hope the thread stays clean as i wonna see that .

prepare to be re-educated...

Some people really need to do some reading before hey dive in on a forum and start a fight with one of their first 10 posts - especially against owd! He's just pulled the growing equivalent of walking up to Lennox Lewis and calling him a pussy! Rather you than me pal and I hope you've got the skills to back up your chat.

I don't think the number of post can be used to determine ability, however Owd has a proven track history. But if superstud is willing to step up and prove his faith in a product, then i am willing to keep an open mind.

I think some folk are reading it wrong again

I am not challenging anyone to do anything

All i asked is for a detailed grow using the nutes to prove to us how good they are supposed to be,that is all,like i said thats the only way

A friend with over 25 years growing experience has just finished a grow with the DM nutes and although he's done ok,he says they are just like any other

I trust his judgement implicitly,i'm sure he'd have noticed a 30,40,50% increase way before they were ready but they looked the same at every stage as when he's used other nutes,just consistent

The only way to really prove it is to have grown in your room consistently and know what it normally does yieldwise,and with a plant that you know well(clone),and know how it performs

Otherwise you are pissing in the wind tbh

Owd

Superstud,
Seeing as you're a really big commercial grower, would you mind posting a few basic details about how you run your grows - systems, medium, yields per square meter, etc. And how many square meters you've got under lights.


What nutes were you using before DM?

I belive everything manufacturers tell me and have tried every product that offers a percentage increase in yeild , all the increases are starting to stack up now and on my last grow I got just over a 300 grams per watt .

Remind me,

Wasnt it DM that marketed paclobutrazol at £100 a litre? a price that even in the hyped world of cannabis hydro hardly reflected it production costs,

Wasnt it DM that lied about the content of superbud? saying its active component(s) was something other than paclobutrazol

Wasnt it DM that eventually pulled superbud from the market because after making a very considerable fortune off the back of growers, who mostly struggled to see any improvement with this add on and more often than not ended up with ruined crops, they had to face up to the fact that paclobutrazol isnt approved for the uses they were marketing it for.

Maybe their new range is ok but out of all the nute companies they must be the most unscrupulous

I could not agree with you here more.
You can only compare it if the circumstances are the same, and the only change you make is that particular product.
Over the years I have seen claims of all kind of products. 10% extra here with this product, 20% extra there with that lamp, 40% extra with this booster...
In the end it is mostly BS.

But if someone is willing to do a side by side grow with the range of products from DM and another product, I will salute that. If DM is so sure of their product-line I think they are willing to give their product for free.

Btw. I read the page of DM: It looks like all the testimonials are written by the same author. Stylewise they look similair.

I've got a room that currently produces a consistent 7 lbs, varying from crop to crop by a hundred or so grams and has done for a year. I've just started a grow with the DM nutes & additives, using their calculator etc. Not going to post week by week progress, but in 8 or so weeks I'll post the yield and we can see if it lives up to the hype.

Never had pythium in this room either, so we'll see about that as well.

I've noticed on the DM web site, it tells you not to use any other products, like pk 13/14. Is that just a clever marketing tool to stop you experimenting with other brands?

Very good. I will wait for that.

By that time I hope to be half way in my (ridiculous ) experiment of putting 100 plants on 1 m2.

Smega,
At the risk of sounding like a DM spokesman (which I'm not), here's what they say about that on their site. Their Gold system is supposed to be an all included, nothing else required nute set. We'll see.

Q: Do I need to use Potash, PK 14/14 or Bloom Boosting products with GOLD NUTRIENT?

A: No. Due to GOLD NUTRIENT being able to deliver massive amounts of key elements (Nitrogen, Potassium and Phosphorus) to your plants you must be very careful when using additives with GOLD NUTRIENT. GOLD NUTRIENT, in conjunction with Liquid Light and Penetrator, has been designed as a standalone solution when it comes to feed nothing else is required. If you “must” use supplements with your plants use this general guide. Do not use any supplements that supply extra nutrients, especially Nitrogen, Potassium or Phosphorus. GOLD NUTRIENT, through its organic hybrid technology supplies massive amounts of these nutrients, at the correct time, so adding more of these elements may result in a reduced yield or burning of your plants. Additives that are safe are products such as Dutch Master Silica, Zone and Max. As these are non nutritional in nature they are safe to use with GOLD NUTRIENT.




I've done that one. SOG works fine, but if you get busted, the cops work out how to charge you based on the number of plants you've got. 1 plant in a m2 would be called personal. 100 plants in a m2 producing the same amount would be on the nightly news as a major growing operation.

Not where I live

Now back to the topic: The claimed results of Dutch Master.

Yer kiddin'. Where I live the courts could be described as completely hysterical about weed.

DM might make some outrageous claims about their stuff, but which nute company doesn't?

And now for the 'science part'...

organic hybrid technology ?

They love the phrase. It's all through the faqs etc. Someone in the marketing department's been consuming a bit too much of the test product...

fwiw: i did a comparison grow some years back with superbud and white widow nft. the buds were certainly alot more fluffy but the others were much more dense. still got most of a bottle left and i was looking at the photos the other night. didn't weigh them out unfortunately but i got the impression they were much the same.

Wouldn't agree with you there mate, the shop I go to always has free samples from heaps of suppliers. I used to do product tests for the owner but quit because I couldn't keep up with the flow of freebies.

And so far, all the feedback the owner has had for the DM Gold nutes has been less than complimentary.

Yeah, but we are not smoking trees or golf courses

Superbud was good at stopping stretch in flowering, but weather it made any weight difference I don't know.
We used to use very small doses at start of flowering to limit the stretch.

If it is actually that good, I will try it of course. But besides all the marketing-blablabla I read here from certain members, I never heard really good stories about the product.
Besides that, it is not available in my country.

But as I said before, I really would want to see a comparison between 2 similair growrooms. One with DM and one with whatever.
Until then I have a tendency to not believe the claims.

And Superstud: How many gramms do you get of 1 m2 under a 600 Watt in 9 weeks with DM?
Because I would be interested in that to see if it would make a difference.

if your happy with your nutes i dont think its worth changing to DM, its not all that, overall had better performance of other leading brands.

Keesje,
What country you in mate?

I know I said I wasn't going to do a week by week grow diary, but it's worth mentioning that I'm already seeing a difference just 1 week into flowering. The plants aren't taller or bushier than they would otherwise be, but the stems and branches are twice as thick as they would otherwise be.

Latest update:

Flowering plants have amazing stem and branch development. Very very thick and strong, way better than normal. Growing slightly faster than normal, not bushier or anything like that, no more bud sites than previously. The plants themselves are looking sooooo healthy and strong. Expecting a good result. These plants had their veg cycle with my old nutes, so I could see how much of a difference just the flowering nute change was.

(fyi previous bloom mix was BudRite, with Bud Fuel added for the first 4 weeks and Headmaster for the next 4).


Veg growth area... A bit of a different story there. Plants are growing incredibly well, fast, strong, twice as bushy (which will mean lots more bud sites).

But I'm having a bit of an algae problem. OK, a lot of an algae problem. That's never been an issue before, but the algae eating earwigs infesting my house don't like the new nutes. Found 0 in the grow area and 0 in the tanks. That's not normal. DM says in their FAQs that you can't add anything like hydrogen peroxide or anything containing any kind of nutes to their mix. I'm also fairly certain that options like BioBugs are out. So, the algae is growing so thick and fast that pretty soon, it'll grow legs and take off out the front door (probably head off to Canberra - a walking pile of slime could easily become PM here, as our latest election has shown).

If anyone would share a little advice on algae control that's going to work within the DM rules, that would be greatly appreciated. I'll also post a note in the Problems section.

Thanks