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mr welly smeed
Nice thread e 1976..This has helped inspire my veg box adventure..Good luck.
PS i also like your flowering drobe...Don't listen to any negative and moronic remarks from anybody... thumbsup.gif
established1976
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how stealth can your box be if it catches fire? just curious...


it wont

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and how stealth can it be if you have to take the plants out of the box to water them?


i cant see how that makes a difference, even if they were watered inside the cabinet does that mean its not stealthy because you have to open the door to water them

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you have 2 fans with 2 wires each, for a total of 4 wires. each fan needs its 2 wire feed, so you will always have 4 wires. besides, all you have to do is turn the fan around for it to push the other way. what does that have to do with wires?


not sure what you're on about here

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your 125 watt envirolight is garbage. you could cut a week off of veg time if you had either a larger cfl, or an hid with more lumens. try to place them closer to the plants also.


ok 125w enviro is no good for veg, I guess im the only one who uses one.

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your other box is a waste of space in my opinion. its too tall to house what little you got going, or youre not going to have a strong enough light to properly develop flower sites towards the bottom of the plants. you are not a very efficient person, but thats ok, cause ignorance is bliss.


never heard of a grow drobe thats too tall before this must be a first, currently got 130cm plants (including pots) going on 4 weeks into flower and these are an indica strain, i cant get anything more powerful than a 600w HPS inside it, I'd love to set the whole room out but Im limited to a drobe which I'd say is larger than the average and its doing fine so far.



newbudda
coco grower your a complete *&%$£* an obviously dont know wat your talkin bout,

est 1976 i like it mate looks the bollocks just cause were not a* pupils at the amsterdam cannabis college doesnt mean we cant grow some decent bud, keep up the good work.

newbudda smoke.gif
evilpixiea420
All ways bigger and better nea.gif tsk I know which side of the pond I would rather be toking. smoke.gif
established1976
QUOTE(CoCoGrower @ Sep 8 2007, 05:14 PM) *
this guy says the largest he can get into his flower box is a 600w. dead wrong. he can put a 1000watt in there and be perfectly fine. his plants are 130cm high, or 4 feet in my world. he said that includes the container, so we can say the plants are 90cm's high, or 3 foot. 600 watt hps lights are only good for 24" of light off the bulb, meaning that with the bulb sitting 6" off the plant, he should only have 18" of bud sites on his plants for good bud development. a 3 foot plant, that hasnt been trimmed or trained, is going to have fluffy, worthless bud covering nearly half the plant. he also has piss poor reflectors in both boxes.

listen, you guys still dont understand what highly efficient grow setups look like, or are capable of. he is using a 125 watt cfl to grow clones and slight veg...the same could have been done with 40 watts, more efficiently, in a box that would have been tight enough to slide underneath a bed for maximum stealthness. maybe i know this because ive been there and done that. maybe i started out with stealth boxes 4 years ago, and have progressed to 10x10 rooms with 4 600 watt hps lights all air cooled using 2 6" vortex fans with 2 can can 66 carbon filters who gets 2 lbs per 600 watt hps.

im only at this site because i would like to further educate myself about grow techniques, or maybe get a different perspective about growing. but this site is a wash. im depressed everyday because advanced nutrients shut down their site, disallowing me the ability to talk with people who actually know what they are talking about.


there's no pleasing some people, my light in my veg box is too powerful, my flower box the light isnt powerful enough pinch.gif you're right my enviroments aint ideal but I got to work with what I got, the general concenseus seems to be a 600w air cooled is biggest you can get in a wardrobe. I notice a 600w is not powerful enough when I have one but when you got 4 thats ok is it, I think you should be using 4 x 1000w Im not trying to tell you how to set your grow room up ... infact I am you need 4 x 1000w, it sounds like a complete nightmare to be honest, how can you expect to grow anything but fluffy worthless bud from those crappy 600w lamps? I wish I could use a whole room but Im only trying to grow meself some percy and a drobe is a convenient way for me to be self sufficient with my circumstances (children/lack of room etc)
newbudda
well said est thumbsup.gif
bart
nice work established 1976 thumbsup.gif
Halfatree
I agree, some nice cupboards you got there.... Good work stoned.gif


tsk
yo established1976 homeboy, what are you like thinkin man? your whole beautifully crafted box is like trash on the sidewalk - bub!

is that earth your using? anyone who knows anything knows hydro is far more stealthy. all you have to do is be wet!

and whats up with your wires man? you need at least 16 wires dude! 4 wires is still 4, but 4x4 is like a plank wacko.gif

cowabunga pizzatime man - have you like never even heard of like supersize ?

man, its such like a total downer how like ignorantoppinionattedmorons.com shut down their site. at least people there knew why i was like talking at all...


im just here to expand my knowledge and see other folks ways of growin so i can tell them theyre like WRONG!

huh.gif

*sighs...*


kepp it up E. strong in the face of adversity and all that wink1.gif

cheers.gif



newbudda
rofl.gif rofl.gif you still hear coco grower, rofl.gif your not doin much too help yourself on here, top 2% rofl.gif rofl.gif 2 books an 1 dvd rofl.gif is that it rofl.gif ive read 3 books 4 mags an watched 6 dvds so i know everything including the fact your an arrogant, ignorant idiot. rofl.gif
established1976
QUOTE(newbudda @ Sep 9 2007, 01:54 PM) *
rofl.gif rofl.gif all very funny but we seem to have hijacked est's thread a bit with this fools crap. est gettin back to the point mate your cabinet really is the mutts nutts, how much did the odour sock set you back?? ive heard some poor reports for them so id be interested to see how it go,s, i just like the idea of them being so light. im currently trying to hang an 8inch cf from my tent roof but it doesnt look safe, so its either longer ducting an filter on floor or an odour sock.

peace newbudda thumbsup.gif


its £25 for the 4" odorsok from my local grow shop, I wouldnt recommend them really not for a flower room anyway, everyone seems to change them for a proper cf eventually. I'll use one in my itte veg box cos a) it beats the effort of making a mini one cool.gif the airflow through them is great (im using pc fans) c) there's only gonna be vegging plants in this box so I dont have to rely on it too much, my mates got a 8" one and his attic stinks of his plants he needs to whip it out and put it in his tumble dryer or something to re-activate it. If I were you stick with a proper one.

edit ** cos my L either doesnt work or puts 3 in
tsk
aventius dampf had a good design on his ikea cab that used computer fans and aquarium fish filters, along with optinal activated carbon should the stink get too much. and he used that cab for flowering at some point i think...

proper carbon filters are a bit of an arse pain in a wee vegcab. there was a reall good looking homemade filter from a quality street tin somewhere. im sure the basic principles could be applied on a smaller scale for the wee cab.

im not so fussed about veg stench maself. its hard to catch a whiff of it through all the joint smoke stoned.gif

cheers.gif
StonedBrittania
nice thread till it got ruined established1976 doh.gif

I like grow box anyway thumbsup.gif do you think it would be able to take a 250 hps if the extraction was upgraded?

if you'd like this thread cleaned up please let me know wink1.gif
SaintSinner
Well done mate! Love the stealth cab smile.gif


Hughie Green
Hi established 1976, your veg cab is an inspiration and the flowerdrobe looks excellent, never mind genius boy with the overinflated ego (with nothing to back it up it seems) he is just jealous I reckon, keep up the good work you are an inspiration to us bodgers guitar.gif
BL
Lovely build mate. You can see the time and effort that's been put in, bet it's well worth it and it does the goods for you.

BL
Putrid
descent job mate, you should get great results biggrin.gif

coco-grower thanx for your comments but i find them anally-retentive.
Dr Benways Assistant
Wow, unbelievable.
StonedBrittania
ok thread cleaned up smile.gif

our rather rude American friend is gone now yahoo.gif
established1976
QUOTE(StonedBrittania @ Sep 9 2007, 05:00 PM) *
nice thread till it got ruined established1976 doh.gif

I like grow box anyway thumbsup.gif do you think it would be able to take a 250 hps if the extraction was upgraded?

if you'd like this thread cleaned up please let me know wink1.gif


I wouldnt like to say, Im new to this lark and only have limited experience, I guess if you had extraction to match it would be possible. But tbh I would want something taller if I was using a 250w hps, its only 80cm x 80cm and 40cm deep perfect for me to veg/clone in and keep a mother or 2.

I got about 4-5 weeks left on my durga mata in the flower drobe, I have 5 durga clones in my veg cabinet but these are going to a friends grow room (mine is stuffed full as I vegged my durga for 2 months lol.gif) Probably give it one more week and pop some more beans, I got some serious seeds 'white russian' and 'chronic' here and Im leaning towards the white russian for the next grow, would like to get a mother from them, gonna go with less is more too I think, my 8 durga vegged for 2 months growing on 135cm x 75cm is tight. Will pop 10 seeds next time and just grow the females out hopefuly 5 or 6 of them.

Cheers for the clean up wink1.gif

PS would you believe it I ordered some sensi big buds seeds @ £60 plus postage and they sent me they Nirvana version which are less than £20 sad.gif btw thats rhinoseeds peope watch out for them!
prawn
QUOTE(established1976 @ Sep 10 2007, 09:32 AM) *
PS would you believe it I ordered some sensi big buds seeds @ £60 plus postage and they sent me they Nirvana version which are less than £20 sad.gif btw thats rhinoseeds peope watch out for them!


Bastards, have you got in touch with them? They won't last long pulling that sort of crap, maybe stick another thread up as a warning to others?


Lennon
QUOTE(established1976 @ Sep 10 2007, 09:32 AM) *
PS would you believe it I ordered some sensi big buds seeds @ £60 plus postage and they sent me they Nirvana version which are less than £20 sad.gif btw thats rhinoseeds peope watch out for them!


Dirty robbing bastards.When you say the Nirvana version is £20 less are you saying there charging £40 for Nirvana seeds?.If so there getting as bad as fukka seeds,Joolz charges £15 for Nirvana big bud Click me.

Stick with the UK420 store in future you'll never get any problems.

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established1976
They were delivered last week, I only realised this morning that they were wrong seed bank, they should have been £17.50 for nirvana I paid £60 for sensi ones. so I have been overcharged by £42.50 and have the wrong item. There phone line is open from 10am till 2pm but they aint answering yet. Would you believe it when I ordered the 'White Russian' and 'Chronic' from another online shop they had an offer on where you could get a 3rd lot for half price but I thought I was getting carried away with 3 sets so didnt bother I ordered 2 from them and big bud sensi from rhinoseeds as they were one of the only paces that said they had stock! After reading up a bit Im not sure I even want to grow them now lol.gif.
tange
thats just wrong sending stuff thats cheap compared to the stuff u expecting i'd get intouch with them and demand ya seeds or money back and aalso u want to keep the seeds u got now for compo ph34r.gif and nice thread m8 shame u had an idiot like the yank to come and try knock ya good work
newbudda
gutted wen i hear a fellow chonger wronged, stick with uk420 for seeds m8 you cant go wrong an can always get in touch if there is any probs, i learnt my lesson buyin seeds elsewhere. cry.gif

thumbsup.gif your cab looks so good m8 it looks profesionaly made, wat was the total cost of build? i think you could market this product it looks that good i'd happily pay for one.! are you a joiner/handyman?? im impressed with your skills as a lot of others are, an glad the threads clean it deserves it for being a top thread!!! yahoo.gif
all the best est1976
newbudda smoke.gif
established1976
QUOTE(newbudda @ Sep 10 2007, 10:36 AM) *
gutted wen i hear a fellow chonger wronged, stick with uk420 for seeds m8 you cant go wrong an can always get in touch if there is any probs, i learnt my lesson buyin seeds elsewhere. cry.gif

thumbsup.gif your cab looks so good m8 it looks profesionaly made, wat was the total cost of build? i think you could market this product it looks that good i'd happily pay for one.! are you a joiner/handyman?? im impressed with your skills as a lot of others are, an glad the threads clean it deserves it for being a top thread!!! yahoo.gif
all the best est1976
newbudda smoke.gif


Rhinoseeds have agreed to send the correct packet and I am to return these 'nirvana' ones, if I dont get them by the end of the week I'l ask for a refund instead.

You could say I'm a joiner in a loose sense of the word. Put it this way I have a saw and some chisels and a little experience but some would say Im far from being a joiner lol.gif.

Congrats on the new edition ... I had another last week too ... off on paternity leave now so plenty of time to tinker with my cupboards lol.gif .... I was tempted to try a diamond reflector in my flower drobe but the local hydro shop talked me out of it because of the temps but Im not happy with the light spread from the cooltube. Im also tempted to get a TD160/100mm for my veg cabinet but im concerned even on the slow speed it may be too loud for my 'stealth cab' reason for the upgrade is to get temps down a little as it currenty runs at 29/30c throughout most of the day. Still havent tried it in a cooler room yet, maybe if im feeling strong I'll try and get it up the stairs today but that wil have to be pre-spliff of course.
newbudda
yahoo.gif congrats on the new edition yahoo.gif back to work for me paternity leaves well over,, im self employed so no pay. spliff.gif cry.gif

ive just installed a td160/100 in my veg cab but sounds no issue here. but on the high speed its suprisingly quiet.

newbudda
FARMER 5m0k3s
gr8 work love it im planning on the same sort of thing myself ph34r.gif i wud have my intake and outake oposite but apart frm that its bloody ace ive nikd ur pics to base mine on its that good so dnt worry bout coco's verbal diorhea wink.gif he's blatantly overly jealous he is thick as we can see and from what i can tell with his love of trying to make other ppl sound dumb and worthless i'd say he's quite an ugly guy too and very insecure about himself you see bullies are what they most hate but they dnt realise it,i know ive gone off on one again but basically.



COCO IF YOU'RE REAING THIS HATING EST AND THE REST OF US WO'NT MAKE U ANY SMARTER AND DEFINETLY WILL NOT IMPROVE YOU'RE LOOKS rofl.gif "everyone point and laugh"!LOL





smokes
ps:we love u est wink.gif
established1976
QUOTE(whazzup @ Oct 15 2007, 11:58 AM) *
I like your veg cabinet, very nice work. How's the temp holding with the enviro close to your propagator? The closer the better of course. The solution with two fans inline to create more pressure to extract through the filter is a good solution. I just wonder how much do you extract not to create an overpressure in you cabinet?


It doesnt often go over 28c now its in a cooler room upstairs (radiator off) window open a little.

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I would certainly try to do something about the extension socket. A growroom is a humid room by definition, but you could easily solve this by boxing it and drilling a few holes in the back of your cupboard for ventilation (cooling of your power supply).


humidity doesnt go over 50/60 Im letting the plants create the humidity naturally, I only use it for the first 3-4 weeks from seed anyway, I can only really fit ten 5" pots in it under the envirolight anyway so use the flower room when I pot up from 5" until they rooted out there final pot then switch to 12/12
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Adding a small computerfan to your envirolight blows away a lot of heat, could be a nice addition to your setup.


already wink1.gif

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I was just wondering about your cooltube cabinet: Do you intake air from your cabinet and extract that through your cooltube? It's more effective to keep your cooltube "closed loop" - take in cool air directly from outside and blow it through. Less resistance, less humidity and the final advantage: no filter needed for the cooltube! A passive intake should be enough, a double bottom with holes in it might even give you a better and quieter air flow through your cabinet. I use two RK125 fans for a 1,5 m2 room and a 400 ánd 600 watt tube. One fan for cooling the two tubes (inline) and one for extraction. The intake is passive. The cooltube system is a closed system, so I don't loose any power from my fan there extraction through a filter and the system is nice and quiet.


Im taking the cooltube out today and putting in an original adjustawing (with heatshield) as this will light my space better (135cm x 75cm) I should be alright with the fans I got right now but if needed I can upgrade.

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You can prevent a lot of noise from your fans by hanging them in rubbers.


Did this the first time, then ripped it all out and concentrated on getting the temps right before I was concerned about noise (its very quiet anyway) Now that my first grow is finished I can tinker some and thats one of the things Im thinking about again.

Edit ** and here's a quick photo of her in action, I think they are chronic in there right now (could be white russian) there is some confusion over what beans i popped. Temp is 24.6c and rh is 46%
established1976
yeah the wing is 50cm deep and 70cm wide wingspan, my drobe is 75cm deep and 135cm wide so it fits in nicely, just done a lights on test and getting 26c at the moment, Im using loft air to cool it and its very cold outside at 6.30am so will test it again when it gets warmer outside too. although I do intend to have lights on at night anyway but I have to veg for about 10-14 days in the flower room while I get them in their final pots which means 18hours a light some of which will be during he hotter part of the day.
Martz
Hey est, nice thread.

How do you light proof your intake fan? I see you got the odour sock on the exhaust which would light proof it, but what about the intake?

Thanks and good luck smile.gif
established1976
I dont its a veg cab so light leaks shouldnt cause a problem and its not in my flower room so Im not arsed about light escaping either.
Martz
Thanks for replying.

Yeah I understand its a veg cab, I'm trying to figure out how to lightproof air intakes/outlets for stealth - rather than worrying about disrupting the light cycle.

Currently surfing around the forums looking for ideas. Light baffles seem the way to go wink1.gif
established1976
the mrs wants me to move mine into the flower room so I may have to do something with it eventually but unless you are in a pitch black room with it then you cant tell there is light coming out the back hole.
roach maker
QUOTE(established1976 @ Aug 19 2007, 10:45 PM) *
this is as far as I got on this fine sunday afternoon, the cabinet is fucntional but I need to address the light leaks so in the next phase I will fit door stops with draught excluder (P section)

will also at some point look at making a home made carbon filter for the extract any maybe beefing the power up some so we still have negative pressure once filter is fitted.

you can see from the pics its hardly light leak free .... but the temps are good and the air circulation is good .... to be continued

hi ya just looking at ya designs,,,,all looks good,but i cant help but notice that there is a lot of light leaking from the seams!!!!!my suggestion is this?run somebeading around the edge of the doors on the inside and place some draft excluder creating a light seal!!!!!
established1976
QUOTE(roach maker @ Apr 7 2008, 09:04 AM) *
hi ya just looking at ya designs,,,,all looks good,but i cant help but notice that there is a lot of light leaking from the seams!!!!!my suggestion is this?run somebeading around the edge of the doors on the inside and place some draft excluder creating a light seal!!!!!


read page 3 onwards

http://www.uk420.com/boards/index.php?s=&a...t&p=1057559
DougalTheDingo
This is a really nice build, but i have a question

How come you have to do more vegging in the flowering room? is it just the height of your cab or is it a failing of the enviro?

bit of a n00b to growing as yet, am looking to do a stealth veg/clone cab like this and a stealth drobe so this thread is proving much of use to me. COOL on the odorsok too btw - going to have to get one of those for my veg cab

Have you not considered using 120mm fans? this is what i'm going to do if i can get it to work - they're dirt cheap off the net in the right places and move more air for less noise (i'm a noob to growing but i know pcs.. lol.gif)

Anyways mate keep up the good work inspiring us all with your quality builds. guitar.gif
established1976
QUOTE(DougalTheDingo @ Apr 10 2008, 02:56 AM) *
This is a really nice build, but i have a question

How come you have to do more vegging in the flowering room? is it just the height of your cab or is it a failing of the enviro?

bit of a n00b to growing as yet, am looking to do a stealth veg/clone cab like this and a stealth drobe so this thread is proving much of use to me. COOL on the odorsok too btw - going to have to get one of those for my veg cab

Have you not considered using 120mm fans? this is what i'm going to do if i can get it to work - they're dirt cheap off the net in the right places and move more air for less noise (i'm a noob to growing but i know pcs.. lol.gif)

Anyways mate keep up the good work inspiring us all with your quality builds. guitar.gif


its more to do with the capacity or floor space, If I wanted to flower 8 plants in 11 litre pots then they wont fit in the veg cab so I have to do put them in the final pot in the flower room and let them root out that first before switching to 12/12, however if I was doing a perpetual grow and adding a couple of plants every couple of weeks then I have rooom to bring a couple to flowering stage in large pots at a time. About the fans if I did it again I would be using a S&P TD160 however as it stands I may be using the 4" rvk from my flower room when I upgrade it. the pc fans just about keep it below 28c (in a heated house) but they are a little noisy especially if I switch it above 6v (12v max)
ynwa
hi 1976 , respect to ya for sharing this with us all , had to read it all as ive got a very very similar setup , only stealth drawers not a cupboard. even veg using the same light. keep us posted
George&Dragon
Excellent read and thanks established1976 biggrin.gif

made plenty notes here, for the mother cupboard i need to build..

george
Randalizer


very nice first effort est1976. On behalf of the american growers in san francisco, I apologize for the coco (kuku?) grower comments. I've had several succesful outdoor grows and almost two years with a large SOG room.

You are doing superbly well for a first grow. Keep it up m8!
dbar247
Just my £0.02p worth.

V nice thread, so I thought it needed a (very small) bump. yahoo.gif It seems to get one regularly, so you must 'ave done summat reet, despite the idiot.

Well done mate.....mucho info gained, and v nice presentation - pictures v words is the way to go for me at least! spliff.gif Very UK420 biggrin.gif Particularly as I have decided that I need to create a separate drobe for me mums and babys due to a house move. Been growin on and off for 5 years, although only joined UK420 recently, but was LOLing over the P section draft excluder in yer box - took me years to work out they were the bollix v ordinary draught excluder tape!

Trust you are still keepin the faith and vegging/muming/cloning/flowring nicely in yer mini-drobe and grow drobe.

Dbar

PS. Have you seen the 240V 80mm & 120mm fans that Mapperlins do? Interested in your (and anyone else's comments on these BTW) - 80 & 120CFM so look ideal for a veggie drobe with carbon filtering in a small drobe. Would like to know how quiet they are if anyone has tried them, although haven't really looked on 420 to see if anyone has.
DoctorD
yea!
All-thumbs-up.
Nice-work-EST!!!!

top-banana!

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