ok thanks again for the responses, so..

am i right in thinking i can mix the canna aktivator with some water, no cultivation or mixing with other stuff, spray on the plants and it will/should be effective on lsf, only problem is that i will have to reapply every 10-14 days??

MoonDoG

Thats what works for me

hey matey

how much of the treacle do i add to the 1 ltr of water please

Alright redeyes..dunno if its right or not but i add abouthalf a tablespoon full ( not an exact science but nowt is with me ) and it seems to work a treat for me

Probably find out I'm ODing my girls on mollasses now

cheers matey.

anyone else got a dose rate

Sorry geez I've only ever used Billingtons

I think there is an alternative if you dont wanna bubble etc.. I used "vitalink biopac" (Google it) on my seedlings whilst I waited for my essence off Webby to arrive (thanks mate! - I got it now!)

I let 1 of the little baby leaves get burnt as it grew into a cfl bulb It left a nasty rusty coloured burn mark, the perfect gateway for the LSF thats been holidaying in my growroom

At this point I hadn't ordered my essence and frantically started googling around for similar products that I could get from town that day. I found the biopac and it appears to contain the same beneficial bacteria found in the essence off Webby, but in an already brewed/ ready to use state. I added some canna trichoderma and declorinated water to the biopac and applied to my babies leaves using my syringe thingie (thanks for the tip Withnail) this appears to have done the trick, it is now a week later and so sign of LSF anywhere

I think that this stuff works well and will be using it again (seeing as I have already got it now!), but there is a downside, I haven't done the maths myself but it dont take a genius to work out that brewing ya own works out a lot cheaper!

Dump the dealer, Brew ya own!!

(but if u cant be arsed use this instead) DD

eta this is good if you only have tiny plants to do, but I will be brewing my own when they get bigger and saving the biopac for cuts/seedlings, hope this helps!

Right, off to pot up now....

One teaspoon per litre of water

I always do it at one teaspoon per litre for bubbling, then once activated mix this 50:50 with aerated water

From what i can see that is:



Is that the same thing you're talking about?

yeah thats it, but dont click on the growhell site for a description look a bit further down the page for a detailed description from some of the other sites



As I said I got mine from a local grow shop (emergency situation) but I belive its available from UK420 too!

Awesome. Cheers .

hi am a newbie here and have been reading alot about the essence that webby has been making and would like very much to get in touch with him as i have been crippled by lsf. If any1 can help it would be much appreciated!! thank you

hi am a newbie here and have been reading alot about the essence that webby has been making and would like very much to get in touch with him as i have been crippled by lsf. If any1 can help it would be much appreciated!! thank you. ps if webby is reading this i have tryed to PM you but i dont seem to be able to use this feature

Have u read all this thread mate as theres alot about how to sort out lsf in it.

yes mate read it all plus have tryed fungas fighter, dithane, systhane and a sulfume hotbox all to no avail. Ive had tis lsf for about 18 months

Have u tried trichoderma harzianum? Think its good for it as far as a gather?

U really need to scrub the full grow area and all ur stuff to keep it away

have cleaned everything many times! and as far as i can gather the essence has added ingrediants as well as trichoderma harzanium. By the ay thx for your replies

Hi mate

if you click on My assistant at the top of the page....
one of the options is mod team,open that and look for Webby.....there's a PM option.

HTH

O.G.

hi i have tried to use the pm option but it comes up with an error message that says i am not permitted to use this feature

have a look here http://www.uk420.com/boards/index.php?showtopic=130738
PM's not available

so has any1 got any ideas as to how i can get in touch with Webby pls help i need the essence im fed up of watching my babies die

Sorry i can't help with getting in touch with Webby (apart from bumping the thread) but have you tried trichoderma on its own? I see you've had a go with most of the fungus fighters to no avail and wondered had you tried that one too?

Same here, although i suspect that there are many different forms of leaf spot and what works on some may not work on others. I only used it in early flowering last time and it did hold off the lsf, but when the buds got bigger i didn't want to foliar, it came with a vengence....only on some plants though

yep ,some verities/plants ar more resistant ,iv an AK48 that seems to take any abuse that nature
or me can throw at it

Hi DD,

Bio-Pac is excellent stuff, it's a mix of root zone bacteria and root stimulants. If you are using RootGrow then it adds beneficial bacteria that aren't in RootGrow. If you are using the Granules from Webby then it's not necessary as that contains Mycorrhizal fungi and beneficial rhizosphere bacteria.

i am really desperate to get some of this essence but cannot get in touch with webby as the site wont let me use the PM feature I have just been to my grow and the babies are decimated with LSF, PLEASE I NEED SOME ESSENCE HELP PLEASE

Bio pac is the liquid form and bio pak is the powder form, now I used the powder and it was great but the liquid I knocked back at the hydroshop as it was unproven to me

Is there anyone whos used the liquid type

EM2

ahhh! me head is spinning. I need to reread this thread (all 26 pages!) about three more times and take notes (I learned a long time ago that if it isn't written down, it doesn't exist). Thanks one and all for so much food for thought.

btw, lsf looks bad. Is there a link available describing it? I don think we have it here in the states. And what is VAM?

So I'm looking at buying differing products (I'm in the states btw) and have a few shops to choose from. My first buy was a box from me garden centre. It's a product called "Sure Start" by EB Stones from their Organics line of products. It is a 4-6-2 fertilizer with humic acid. It also has;

Bacillus Subtilis
Bacillus Licheniformis
Bacillus Pumulis
Streptomyces Lydicus
Streptomyces Greiseus
TRICHODERMA HARZIANUM
TRICHODERMA VIRIDIE

along with Endo Mychorrhizae

Pisolithus tinctorious
Rhizopogon villosuli
Rhizopogon luteolus
Rhizopogon amylopogon
Rhizopogon fulvigelba

and Endo Mychorrhizae (vam)

Glomus Intraradices
Glomus Mosseae
Glomus Aggregatum


(ow, that hurt to type)

The box recommends 2 Tbs per gallon of soil for potted plants.

Now my main concern is allowing the minerals (such as from rock dust) to be taken up more easily by me plants. Would this stuff do the trick? Also I'm wondering. In my area we suffer from Downy Mildew. I've mostly got a handle on it (better extraction, loads of moving air!) but am wondering if perhaps the trichodermas in this box would help with that.

Any comments deeply appreciated. I'll be stopping at my "specialised" garden centre (there are two I like in my area) to see what they recommend, suggest, etc and see what they have. I do intend to start a diary here (yes, odd I know being a yank but I like the cross pollination of ideas) and will post results there as well as pull together all my various posts on various topics at this lovely site.

cheers!

PS Pic is latest from me garden.

according to the product description on greens it isn't in fact the same product "Vitalink Biopac is a liquid suspension of beneficial bacteria that apparently does different things to the very similarly named Bio-Plus, although a lack of information from the manufacturer means that we don't really know what..."

Living in the states you have access to a huge array of inoculants, both fungal and bacterial. The one you've chosen looks ok but I'd rather get a mix that didn't contain any fertiliser. Humic acid is good but may be better to leave out the fertilisers, give it a go and see how it works out. Can't say if it will work against phylloplane (leaf surface) fungi but can't be sure as it doesn't contain any phylloplane bacteria.

VAM - Vesicular Arbuscular Mycorrhizas, it's in the title they are the fungi that form a symbiotic relationship with nearly all land living plants and help them absorb water and nutrients. Any good mycorrhizal inoculant will help your plants make use of the rockdust you've added.

Hope that helps:yep:

Nice bud

Thanks and thank you Felix. you are truly a Prince among Men. Yes, she was a tsasty critter that bud.
I'm going to check around the shops here in town (may take a week or so, loads of work just came in) and see what products are available. Since things are okay in me garden I don feel the need to rush out and change things until I'm comfortable with it.

Cheers everyone. This thread has me really excited!

so is rock dust rock phosphate or something totally different? excuse my ignorence

Rockdust is ground up Basalt and rock Phosphate is rock that has high concentrations of phosphate minerals and can be used as a replacement for bonemeal if you don't want to use animal products. Rock Phosphate has a higher percentage of phosphate than Bonemeal but doesn't contain any nitrogen.

Would recommend adding mycorrhizal fungi if using rock Phosphate as it's incredibly insoluble and mycorrhizal fungi are particularly good at coaxing phosphates from the compost.

Good evening people. I'm just trying to offer my help
My best results have been achieved by mixing together the following listed items. I also apply the biobizz liquid fertilizers and superthrive, though I find I don't need to use that much when the grow medium has been properly innoculated(sp?).
A good product that is available in England is Vita link Bio Pak. It's a dry spore mix that you throw into the soil. I can highly recommend it.

Rock dust (finely ground)
VAM spores (dry spores)
Seaweed extract (liquid)
Bat guano (fine powder)
Trichoderma spores (liquid)
Rock phosphate (mixed with vermiculite)
Composted worm castings



VAM Spore Application information and rate
The majority of crop plants, grasses, indigenous trees and shrubs in South Africa are associated with arbuscular mycorrhizal (AM) fungi. A few non-mycorrhizal plants include cabbages, sugar beet, beetroot and proteas. Other types of mycorrhizal fungi associate with other plant families. Check the mycorrhizal status of your crop or plant of interest, ASK A SCIENTIST.


The product is in a granular formulation, which contains specially, selected strains of indigenous southern African AM fungal types. Extensive research has been conducted at South African universities by qualified experts in the field to demonstrate the effects of Mycoroot on plant growth.

Trees and Shrubs

Transplanting trees or shrubs (indigenous trees; fruit trees; essential oil and medicinal shrubs)


Apply 20ml-50ml to the bottom of the planting hole. Apply more product for large plants. Water after planting.

Established trees and shrubs (indigenous trees; fruit trees; essential oil and medicinal shrubs; roses)


Make a trench around the established plants below the drip line, the trench should be dug until the roots are just visible, care should be taken so as not to disturb or damage the roots. Apply 100ml-250ml around the tree or shrub. Cover the trench. Water.

Container plants


Repotting of container plants or transplanting from nursery bags apply 5ml - 20ml (larger plants require more product) of per pot placed at the bottom of the planting hole. Gently loosen roots and soil at base of plant and place in hole, fill with growing media or soil and water after planting. Ensure pots are well drained.It can be added to already established container plants by gently loosening the soil and applying 5ml of product to exposed roots at various positions around the pot. Care should be taken not to damage the roots.

Graden beds for flowering plants grown from seedlings


10ml of product per seedling placed at the bottom of the planting hole. Water seedlings after planting. Alternatively calculate 5 ml of product per plant and mix well into garden bed soil. Water gently after planting.

cheers

Hi there people, a quick question for any essence bubblin' brew experts out there, any one know how long a batch of essence is good for once the 12 hour brewing is done?? in other words, after I've made a brew and treated my babies, can I store the remaining essence brew (in an airtight container or summit ) for use next week or is it only good to use fresh on the day of brewing?


DD brewin' it 420 stylee

Sorry dude, it's got to be used quickly. I've kept it going for another 24 hours by adding more molasses and continuing to bubble with the heater on but wouldn't recommend going for too much longer. The bacteria could probably go for a while but Trichoderma hyphae are quite delicate and won't take much turbulence when being bubbled to break them up.

Thanks Felix, I thought that may be the case, always nice to have expert corfirmation tho'

hay everyone,

So I'm excited. Today I try adding a nute that has trich and vam's in it (and hummic acid) to my soil mix. The nute mix was something I was looking for in addition to the VAM's and trich so a big win there.

I've also got some pure powders, SubCulture by general hydro and Chappys Power Organic Root Booster. This will be used to water my fresh cuttings and will be added to my tea blend for the weekly feedings.

I'll post results and thanks everyone for all the great info. Got to run, tea time and then some gardening!

so I've transplanted 5 last week and 4 this week into flower using the new soil mix and adding the trich and VAM powders to the root zone (of the receiving pot). Granted this is nothing at all of a scientific study (waaaay to many variables). I've also started adding said powders to my fert/tea solution (my Jedi are on 9 to 10 week flower cycles, tea applications start week 4 and end week 7). And my cuttings got a very small dose of powder in their water.

The nice thing about a SOG system is that I transplant 4-7 plants every week. That leaves a lot of room to experiment. If I kill a few off, I have more coming as long as I don't kill the Mom's. The compost mix that i use now has been a long work in progress.

cheers!

We wait to see your results soon dude

Good luck

hi peeps i just wondered if anyone has any more suggestions on fighting this lsf i have benn spraying the girls with a mixture of canna aktrivator, advanced nutes "piranha" and ANs tarantula. At first it seemed that it was working but had a close inspection last night and found some of the dreaded rusty spots again I will be spraying them again tomorrow as i have been treating them every 7 days but wondered what else i could do. Any help would be appreciated. By the way i am growing in nft tanks with 6 air cooled lights a massive amount of extraction and plenty of air coming in. So far i have tryed ozone generators,a sulfume hotbox and various fungicides. thx in advance for any suggestions.

Are you sure it's lsf and not a PH imbalance? A lot of hydro growers have said that LSF can look a lot like the symptoms from a PH imbalance.

I'm with Bajer on this one. If you've tried the Sulfume Hotbox and fungicides following the manufacturers instructions and neither worked it's really unlikely you have a fungal infection. Either of those on it's own would sort out most infections we'll ever see.

Piranha & Tarantula are primarily for the root zone, Essence contains phylloplane bacteria and Trichoderma species that will populate the leaf surfaces inhibiting pathogenic microbes from getting a foothold.

thanks for the replies but i have definately used both of the above to the instructions to no avail and i know what you meen about ph because ive experianced problems with the leaves before when i have had a low ph. These symptons are much more severe and eventually are killing the plants it starts with the typical rust spots and then the whole plant lightens in color till all the fan leaves die and the plant is just left with the small leaves around the buds sometimes they die other times they make it till harvest time but have a severely low yeild.I have tried getting through to webby by pming him but he hasnt replied to me, i think i may have spooked him by my contstant attempts to alert him to my plight through the forums when i couldnt use the pm system for some reason

Great thread thanks to all ,well im having probs with lsf im just 19 days in flower,and ive got some of webbys essence thru a member friend on here,thanks for that, ,well can i use it this far into flower,i kno Pro Liberate,says it can be used ryte up too harvest,and dont want to go spraying unless i kno forsure,keeping it green,,,Oss.

Hi OSS,

Yep you can use it right up to harvest but if you've only got a week or so to go I wouldn't bother. 19 days into flower will be no problem at all

Goodmorning to you Felix.D ,thanks for that reply,just what i needed to hear,well its off to get blackstrap molasses,have maxi crop ,and a wetting agent and most importantly Essence,jugs and airstones ,have everything else,il be doing sum mixing and a bubbling,and then its game over lsf,il be back to report on progress and pics,keeping it green,,,best regards Oss.