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Magic


High all,
Just lately I have read a lot of different threads of Salvia Divinorum on these boards, from experiences to questions and answers and discussions, I thought it might be of interest to some members if I started up a little diary here with some of my collection of plants, I am happy to try and answer peoples questions in here, if I can, I am by NO stretch of the imagination, any kind of expert, but I do grow and keep Salvia, I have done for awhile, and I have had a few life changing experiences whilst experimenting with it, and I respect it as a miracle plant that is divine and sacred, there is a thread in the metaphysics forum about psychedelia and has it changed your life. Well I feel it really has, on more than one occasion, and at very different ages and on different substances. However this is not just about me, This is meant to be a open diary, and I want any people with ANY experience of either growing or using this visionary herb or extract, then I would ask you please, please,please leave your comments and experiences and feelings on this mystical sage. Boojum I would especially Love to hear your comments,(again) feel free to cut and paste from older topics.

Moderators if you see fit, I would be happy for one or two of the Salvia threads to be merged into one topic. Thanks for the permission to do this Joolz yahoo.gif Any who are curious and aren't sure, please also feel free to join in. wink.gif
If the moderators see fit the threads can be merged into one topic, that is fine by me. All I really have planned is to show a few pictures of the plants and how easy it is to grow and clone, also when I feel up to typing, maybe throw some of my own experiences in, I also have pics of Salvia extract I made, that sort of thing.

These are two little potted up clones (Wasson/Hoffman) Salvia Divinorum in this post, these Two plants provided the start of my collection, and every cut or established plant that I have given away or sold has originated from these two mother plants.

As I progress through the diary I wii break the plant 's origins and history, also how to cultivate the plant, how to harvest and dry your sage leaves, how to extract, also some experiences will be added from time to time, but what I want most, is fior this to be a collective of ideas and experiences from a variety of members. (kinda like the united hashberry grow) but for Salvia Divinorum.
Thank you for time, I look forward to your input wink.gif
Peace all.
Magic sorcerer.gif
MU
how cool! best of luck magic, hope the grow goes well.
TightBud
nice one mate wink.gif
dr rockster


Hi Magic,

well that's something more than a little bit different.I've only done salvia a few times and havent been able to tune in or switch on it the effect.

I felt like I was going up on some kind of psychedelic high but did'nt kinda get the effect.Had physical signs,butterfly tum,sweaty hands but as I say

think I need tuition with his.Does that make sense?

Anyhow,I'll be very interested about the use and also growth of the plant so I'll pull up a chair for what I'm sure will be a very interesting

and informative diary. wink.gif



E C S
I've had similar experiences with salvia when I took it DR It made me sweaty and hot, but very few visuals. I was on a low grade extract though...I hear 40 X and above is the only extract worth doing..With extract that strong you can get intense visuals, but its a dissociative not a psychedelic and they're just not as fun because they don't effect the 5 HT receptors like LSD or shrooms, in my experience its like a bad acid trip- lots of disorientation

Never grown it before looking foward to that, where did you get the seeds?
Magic
Hi all, Thankyou very much for the support DR,rockster, TB, & MU I think I'm gonna need it rofl.gif

I feel I must start this off with a warning that this plant is NOT to be taken lightly, it is a strong psychedelic, it is sometimes known as Diviners sage, or Salvia divine, Diviners herb, Salvia Delirium, and it really can make you delirious for a short time! excl.gif It is not a legal substitute for cannabis, in fact I would go as far as to say, This is NOT a recreational drug in the very least, this is a mind bending hallucinogen that should be treated with the utmost care and respect, and only used by those who are both spiritually strong as well as mentally strong excl.gif

Some of the cultivation techniques in this thread will be based on information gathered from various sites I like to visit on the Internet, There are many sites devoted to the cultivation and PREPARATION OF THIS HERB.


SALVIA DIVINORUM IS A MEMBER of the mint family which also includes such familiar herbs as oregano and basil. There are dozens of Salvia species, but Salvia Divinorum is the only one known to contain the psychoactive diterpenes salvinorin A (at 96%) and salvinorin B (at 4%). Salvia Divinorum has hollow, square stems with winged edges. The stems are not very sturdy, but with support, the plant can grow to eight feet tall. Filtered sunlight is best, and the plant likes plenty of water and humidity. It rarely sets seed, and when it does the seeds are usually not viable. In the wild, the plant propagates by falling over and sending out roots where it touches the ground. In a high humidity environment, it is not uncommon to see roots forming on the stem even before the plant has fallen over. These root formations make cuttings an easy method of cultivation.
Since Salvia divinorum is one of the rarest of all plant entheogens, it is my hope that many people will choose to cultivate this plant. It was almost driven into extinction once, so let's work to preserve this valuable plant ally for future generations to enjoy.


Salvia divinorum is thought to be a cultivar - a plant existing only through the intervention of humans. It grows throughout the mountainous Oaxaca region of Mexico, and is cultivated by the Mazatec Indians for their divinatory and healing practices. It rarely, if ever sets seed in the wild. It propagates itself asexually. When plants reach about two metres in height they fall, and quickly root from points along the stem. In the high humidity environment in which it grows, it can be seen producing roots along the stems of fully erect plants.


As mentioned, Salvia divinorum rarely sets seed. Also, the seeds produced offer low viability. So, for the average cultivator, growing from seed is not an option. Fortunately, Salvia grows readily and vigorously from cuttings. Using a clean blade, cut a length of stem just below a node (a node is the joint-like area from which leaves grow). The cutting should consist of at least two nodes, and be at least 10cm in length. Once cut, strip leaves from the bottom node, and immediately place in sterilised water. Rooting hormone is not really necessary as Salvia roots readily; although if you have access to a Willow tree, one or two short twigs in the water may speed up the rooting process.

Rooting may take up to six weeks, although in warm weather, I have seen 3cm roots appear in ten days. Misting the cuttings will prevent the leaves from dropping, particularly when it is warm. Also, the water may need to be topped up once in a while.

Once the roots are 1-2cm in length, the cutting can be transferred to soil.


According to The Salvia Divimorum Grower's Guide, Salvia divinorum will flower if a photoperiod of 10 hours or less out of 24 is maintained (any light in the dark period will cause immediate cessation of flowering). This can be taken advantage of for maintaining vegetative growth by ensuring your plants receive 12 or more hours of light per day, up to a maximum of 18 hours in 24. Salvia divinorum is happy when grown under natural or fluorescent lights. Although expensive lighting equipment can be purchased for indoor growing, this is not necessary for the novice or average grower. If growing in natural light, do not grow in direct hot sunlight. Even if you have acclimatised your plants to accept hot and dry conditions, direct hot sunlight will cause stunted, warped leaf growth. If growing under fluorecsent light, hang lights about 30cm above the plants.
Salvia divinorum is happy in ordinary house-plant potting compost. Ideally, the compost should be slightly acidic. A good mix would be; 3 parts compost and 1 part perlite. A layer of gravel or broken crocks on the bottom of the pot will also provide extra drainage. The gravel/crocks and perlite help prevent root rot by maintaining good drainage and aeration.
Salvia divinorum is a member of the mint family which also includes such familiar herbs as oregano and basil. There are dozens of Salvia species, but Salvia divinorum is the only one known to contain the psychoactive diterpenes salvinorin A (at 96%) and salvinorin B (at 4%). Salvia has hollow, square stems with winged edges. The stems are not very sturdy, but with support, the plant can grow to eight feet tall. Filtered sunlight is best, and the plant likes plenty of water and humidity. It rarely sets seed, and when it does the seeds are usually not viable. In the wild, the plant propagates by falling over and sending out roots where it touches the ground. In a high humidity environment, it is not uncommon to see roots forming on the stem even before the plant has fallen over. These root formations make cuttings an easy method of cultivation.

The roots of Salvia divinorum grow quickly, and in small pots, the plant will often become root bound, which may cause the plant to loose vigour. When this occurs, it is best to re-pot. You may notice some initial sluggish growth soon after re-potting as the plant first develops its roots, but soon growth and leaf production will become vigorous again. As with all plants, do not re-pot needlessly, as the plant will put too much of its energies into developing its roots, when it could be engaged in more important forms of vegetative growth.


Cutting & Transplanting To take a cutting, first cut off a branch tip that has four to six sets of leaves on it with about four inches of stalk below that. Place the cutting in water so most of the bare stalk is covered - tap water is fine and you don't need to add any nutrients. The cutting may wilt for a day or two, but should recover nicely. Mist the cutting frequently or keep it in a high humidity environment to ease the shock of being cut. In summer wait until the evening to take cuttings to prevent excessive wilting.

In about one week nodes will appear on the stalk where the roots will eventually emerge. In another week the roots will appear and grow to a length of 1/4" to 3/4" long. This is the time to transplant the cutting into soil. Keeping the cutting in water beyond this point will deprive it of nutrients, and longer roots are more susceptible to damage during transplanting.

Transplant the cutting into a medium sized pot using either commercial potting soil or your own formula. I make a mixture of one part each compost, peat moss, sandy loam, and a half part perlite. Salvia divinorum likes a friable soil rich in humus and with good drainage, so avoid heavy soils with a lot of clay. The plant also likes a lot of root space, so re-pot often for maximum growth. When you see growth starting to slow down, or the plant looking ragged, it's probably time to re-pot.

Temperature & Seasons The ideal temperature is in the 60 to 70 degree range, but my plants have survived hot spells of 100 degrees and night time chills as low as 35 degrees. In hot weather make sure the plants have enough shade and plenty of water with frequent misting.

The plants can put on four to five feet of growth during the six months they are outside. I have heard that the salvinorin A content is twice as high in the leaves during the summer, but this is anecdotal information. In the fall, growth slows as temperature and light levels decrease. If the temperature falls below freezing, the plant will immediately turn black and die. If the root ball has not frozen, the plant can grow back - often quite prolifically because it has a large root system supporting the new growth. I know it's time to bring my plants inside when the leaves start to blush red from the cold nights. This reaction will disappear after a few weeks of being indoors.

Flowering Plants will flower in the fall when there are about ten to twelve hours of light a day. If you are bringing your plants inside under artificial light, you can prevent flowering by increasing the light to fourteen to sixteen hours a day. The plants will then go back to vegetative growth and put their energy into leaf production. I enjoy the flowers, so I keep my lights on for only twelve hours a day and let the plants go through their cycle. Each plant sends up a spike that can grow to be a foot in length, filled with many small bluish white flowers. The flowers have a very delicate, spicy scent

Humidity One fallacy often heard about Salvia divinorum is that they need a lot of humidity to survive. In fact the plants do enjoy high humidity, and will achieve optimum growth if grown in these conditions, but they can be grown successfully in a low humidity environment with a few simple steps.

The trick is to slowly acclimate the plant to a lower humidity environment over the course of several weeks. If you have ordered a cutting by mail, chances are good it came from a high humidity environment in a greenhouse. Give it high humidity initially by misting it often or placing it in a tent with a humidifier, but slowly reduce the humidity over the course of the next month. The plant will do just fine, and will be much less hassle for you. In the winter when my plants are indoors, I cover the walls with plastic sheeting and spray the plants three times a day with a pump-style tank sprayer. This takes less than fifteen minutes a day and I never have a problem with leaf edges turning brown - the typical sign that the humidity is too low.

If you are going to grow your plants in a high humidity environment, don't make the mistake of thinking that you don't need to water them much. They still require regular watering even with humidity levels in the 90% range. I do not like using tightly sealed tents or other grow chambers, these do not allow for a healthy flow of air and such stagnant conditions encourage the growth of molds and bacteria.

Pests & Prevention The most common pests of Salvia divinorum are whiteflies and aphids. Both of these insects live on the underside of leaves, preferring the new growth on the top half of the plant. Aphids will also cluster on the stems. Whiteflies are small insects with bright white wings. Their pupa are light green and look like small grains of rice. All stages suck on plant juices, and heavily infested plants will yellow and grow poorly. If the infestation is left unchecked, the plants can die from a black sooty mold that grows on the honeydew that the whiteflies and aphids produce.


For all practical purposes, the lifespan of a Salvia divinorum plant is about five to six years. The plants get woody as they age, growth slows, and they become more brittle and start to fall apart. If they have been staked and prevented from falling over and re rooting, then it is time to take some cuttings and start again. Cuttings from an old plant will show the same vigor as cuttings from a younger plant.
In the pics are some young Salvia plants, also some dried cured leaf.
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E C S
Know a good place to get seeds?
MU
QUOTE(E C S @ Jul 25 2007, 11:35 PM) [snapback]1032188[/snapback]
Know a good place to get seeds?


no seeds exist, its cuttings only. sad.gif
battlecat1135
QUOTE(dr rockster @ Jul 22 2007, 11:04 PM) [snapback]1028682[/snapback]
Hi Magic,

well that's something more than a little bit different.I've only done salvia a few times and havent been able to tune in or switch on it the effect.

I felt like I was going up on some kind of psychedelic high but did'nt kinda get the effect.Had physical signs,butterfly tum,sweaty hands but as I say

think I need tuition with his.Does that make sense?

Anyhow,I'll be very interested about the use and also growth of the plant so I'll pull up a chair for what I'm sure will be a very interesting

and informative diary. wink.gif

Dear Doc
Have you ever tried the concentrated forms of salvia? It's as near as d.m.t as i have ever expreienced,that was on 10x so who knows what effect it will have at higher concentrtation levels.
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Battlecat1135.
ps never grown it,would rather cultivate copelandia mushrooms the hit lasts a lot longer. wink.gif
dr rockster
QUOTE(battlecat1135 @ Jul 26 2007, 01:45 AM) [snapback]1032232[/snapback]
Dear Doc
Have you ever tried the concentrated forms of salvia? It's as near as d.m.t as i have ever expreienced,that was on 10x so who knows what effect it will have at higher concentrtation levels.
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Battlecat1135.
ps never grown it,would rather cultivate copelandia mushrooms the hit lasts a lot longer. wink.gif


Yo BC,

it was a 20x jobbie and I did 5 pipes in 10 minutes.The high is there,couldnt tune into it that day is all I think.


But Magics here and someow I think Im shortly to be reeducated. rofl.gif
serious_fky
QUOTE(MU @ Jul 26 2007, 01:34 AM) [snapback]1032218[/snapback]
no seeds exist, its cuttings only. sad.gif


Seeds do exsist.
But the are very viable, If you come across seeds you are very lucky.
Magic if you need any help with your grow hit me up im salvia grower god.
Took me years to be able to grow one properly.
As you probly already know its a sensitive plant.
Take care.
Seeka
Well I've become a reccent convert to Salvia.

Let me say that I'm quite new to it but had some amazing (if not slightly overwhelming!) experiences on it.

Thanks to Magic I'm now the proud father of my own plant as well, which is doing great. I bought it as a cutting and have been growing it on for a few weeks now. It's not been too difficult but I've realised it is quite a sensitive plant; likes it's water and needs some lovin'

I also purchased some 10X extract a few months back and so far I've had two pretty extreme experiences on it. Thanks to God I am one of the lucky ones who is quite sensitive to salvinorin a - the active ingredient. My last little excursion with a big pinch of extract in a pipe (burned hot with a jet llighter) left me in quite a state. I didn't have a sitter (bad news) and I got seriously slapped around. I was smoking outdoors and at one point, when I was just about getting a grip on normality (or so I thought!!) I fell over on the lawn and actually fell 'into' the grass!! I could even taste the grass and earth in my throat!!

The point is this really isn't something to be taken lightly. I've read all the brave stories about these super humans who do 100X extract and balls it out. Let me tell you, if you're thinking about trying Salvia be VERY careful. If you're like me, lucky to be quite sensitive to it, this plant will change your world and can create some serious trip.

I much prefer smoking pure leaf now as this gives me a good 'shift' and I can ride it comfortably and safely.

I'm going to leave you with my very first experience - the following is a short peice I wrote after the experience, and I hope you find it interesting!!

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MY FIRST SALVIA TRIP - written back in April of this year

Well first of all I have to say - WOW-fucking-WOWWWW!!!

I've spend months reading up on Salvia and wanted to be prepared for this, especially as I am very new to psychedelics being just a weed smoker mainly.

I was very curious that a plant (and one that’s legal (for the time being!)) could produce the sort of effects I’d read about. I’d also looked at trying DMT but some wise words from various people suggested I take things slowly.

It’s important to point out also that I’m looking (Seeking) for much more than just recreational fun. My life has been turned upside down over the past three years and I’ve suffered a great deal of personal pain. I’ve been looking very deeply and who I am and why I exist. I also want to know what lies beyond. I’ve been using MJ and other simple mixes, together with intense music (deep trance and ‘psy’) and mediation to explore my mind and the world around me. I’ve developed a very intense desire for knowledge of the consciousness and the cosmos.

OK, as dramatic as all that sounds here’s my report. I’m a 38 year old male, 6 foot, and about 12 stone. Never tried Salvia before…

Last night I went out with a friend and before we left his house we rolled up a couple of Js from Spice. He’d never tried it before so it was interesting to see how it affected him – he felt really stoned! I had about two pints only and eventually left to return home. I’d picked up some Saliva from a local HeadShop (Alibongos) during the day. The guy recommended I try X10, as he was quite experienced with it and said the X5 wasn’t going to give me much of an effect. I trusted his judgment and made the purchase.

I’d decided that about midnight I’d try the Salvia. I didn’t have a sitter and this concerned me slightly but I felt quite calm and ready for the experience.

I put a very modest amount of the Salvia in the end of my pipe (budbomb) and lay down on the bed. I had headphones on as was listening to Shpongle (my fav!). I lay back and lit up. I was unsure if this method would be successful as everyone tells me that it’s better through a bong and you need to heat it up really well. I also knew that I needed to hold it in for as long as possible. So… I lit up and began to draw… I took a lungful of the smoke (which had little taste) and lay back; looking up at the ceiling while I held my breath. For about 5 seconds I felt nothing and wondered if it would really work. Then the most amazing thing happened; I felt my arms ‘ripple’ just like they were turning into waves of fabric, like my body was turning to liquid. It started at my shoulders and went down my arms. It was a very strange but enjoyable sensation. I remember thinking this was a very strange, then WHAM! It took me! This part is very hard describe; but essentially it felt like the universe was splitting, time was being ripped apart and I was being pulled by a force through into another dimension, I can only say it was like being washed away by a giant wave! I was conscious of being ‘taken’.

Some people describe it like ‘falling down the rabbit hole’ and that was exactly it. Like travelling through a plane of dimension and coming out on the other side – truly amazing.

I looked around my room and the first thing I noticed were people standing on my right. They we’re next to the bed, there were about four of them, I couldn’t recognise them but for a moment I was standing there as well (in two places at once). Then I felt a degree of confusion and panic. I felt completely split from my personality. I didn’t know who I was or what was going on – I had no knowledge of having taken Salvia. This feeling was certainly a little uncomfortable but I didn’t feel extreme fear or distress, just a little confused. Then I ripped off the headphone and got out of my bed and headed to the door. I felt I needed to speak with someone, I needed to get some reassurance. I reached for the door but didn’t open it. I got back in bed. The feeling was very like being in a different time and being a different person. Then I realised that I had just taken Salvia and that this was causing the effect.

Over the next few minutes I started to come ‘round and remembered that I had just taken Salvia. I felt overjoyed at the very fleeting trip, I felt like I had taken my first steps as a psychonaught – it was incredible and suddenly brought everything into perspective. I went back to bed and lay down. I felt that the room was all wrong, it was the wrong way round, the door wasn’t where it was before and I wasn’t really meant to be there. I called a couple of friends as I was desperate to recount what had just happened but only got their voicemails.

The whole trip didn’t last more that about 5 or 10 mins at the most. The afterglow lasted for about another 30+ mins and then I must have fallen off to sleep. Today I feel much more at peace (even though my wife has disappeared – that’s another story!).

So my friends, I don’t know if this has been an interesting read but I can certainly tell you that Salvia worked for me. I will DEFINITELY do it again but would like to try a longer trip and will certainly have a sitter with me.

I can’t wait for the time when I finally get to meet Lady Salvia in person and have time to understand her much better.

Take It Easy!

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Hope you enjoyed this.

Peace

Seeka
LargeSalad
Hey Magic. Thought i'd drop in an say hello. Really interesting thread, thanks for sharing the knowledge. How is best to arrange a cutting? I'd never even thought about growing Salvia D. Ive only smoked it once in the dam a few years back and I nearly had to rescue my friend from the canal after he fell of the back of a barge trippin'! Still not managed to kick the '5 strands' either yet.

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FD
great thread magi and nice report seeks

Im gonna try salvia soon I think
eri
I had a cutting from edi a while back and it's now over a foot tall smile.gif

I took another cutting a while back, shortly after I almost killed the poor girl through not watering enough (be warned anyone thinking of getting a cutting! they don't stand up to periods of dry as well as cannabis at all... water as soon as they need it, not before or after).

They're both doing well now. My cutting rooted fine and is looking great. Really cool plants.

I love the effect of salvia too. I have some 35x organic extract which I can *thoroughly* recommend.

I'm thinking of doing a bubble bag extraction when I have enough to harvest some... Anyone tried that yet? cool.gif
KUSH69
smoked one bowl the first time i did it and had total out of body expeience then the second hit i felt as if i was trapped in a huge rubber ball and was pushin my hands thruogh the ball r trying to and at thhe same time the colours of the ball were changesing ,i perfer mushrooms
darryl17
what type of plants that unsure.gif does it get you stoned bag.gif
Smokey
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what type of plants that unsure.gif does it get you stoned bag.gif


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvia_divinorum

From what i read, its not like weed and it's not a recreational drug like weed. Should be treated with respect, sally bites hard apparently. She doesn't interest me at the moment, but I would like to try it one day. Great looking plants though thumbsup.gif
Dr Benways Assistant
All you folks thinking of trying salvia for a laugh should maybe think again as this plant can turn reality on it's head (most of us kind of rely on reality) and extracts are not needed really as good quality leaf does the same thing, just need to take more tokes is all.

Most of the time when people partake of this plant they do it in groups where one person is taking the plant and the rest sit and laugh at them, I'd advise against this, do it with one or two very close friends definitely people you like a lot and don't mind if they laugh at you. If you're in any way paranoid or having a particularly stressful time in life I'd give it a miss too.

I've only ever been scared shitless by salvia but plenty folks love it just remember it aint a toy.

@eri Not sure but I don't think bubblebags will work as salvia has no trichomes.
stuff and nonsense
what I dont get is why is salvia div legal to buy and use (isnt it) and mj not ? it just dosnt make sense ., good thread magic very interesting reading seeka,s experience allthough I dont think its for me but very interesting .
Seeka
Bloody Spider Mites are back!!

Hey Magic - any idea how to get rid of these little buggers on my Salvia plant. Their making a nice little web on the top shoots of my plant.

I don't want to use a chemical spray so does anyone know of any other method that's organic??

Thanks

Seeka

PS. This girl is growing like crazy!! She's branching out all over the place - time to make some cuttings I think!!
sky
if this is legal where can you buy cuttings from?
cheers
DB47
I'd like to try it, it'd be my first drug since weed, I have some concerns though, one is when you say it's made by human intervention, my biggest love of weed is that it's natural - therefor I respect and and revere it.

I've never tried psychedelics, what I'd most like to know is if you use them, do they have lasting effects, I don't want my mind permanently changed to the slightest degree, but don't worry I'm very stable and un-afraid.

Also being that there's no seeds and I have a scouting mission to find cuttings, it's seem like a bit of trouble.

As it's legal, is this gear available in UK head shops like some other legal drugs, and if so I really need a guide to the price cause I don't want to get my pants pulled down as I know what rippoffs head shops are.

You know how you get that evened out yet totally fucked up effect from coke in a spliff bag.gif , what's the word on mixing this with a spliff - I assume the word is NO.
Wolfsalv
I use neem oil for spider mites it works pretty good.

Salvia D. will be illegal soon enough. I find myself stock piling leaves, extracts and tinctures, as well as growing plants, but I rarely do it myself anymore. It's like something tells me to have it on hand for the end of the world or something. You really need to have the right state of mind for Sally D, MJ is much more forgiving.
Reggie
Salvia is the most intense drug experience I've ever had. Someone on these boards said they'd reccomend mescaline and LSD over salvia and I have to say, I'd say exactly the same thing. Grew it for a few months without much luck, but I was using terrible soil and I was keeping it in too humid conditions. So, unfortunately, my little plant died. sad.gif Looking to get another cutting soon!
Peppi
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I don't want my mind permanently changed to the slightest degree


best you keep away from thus type of stuff then mate .............

top thread magic mate !!!!!

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Chris Pharm
Wow mate, some great information in here, I've had a good read.

I'm now the proud owner of a Salvia plant, thanks very much, which I will treasure forever and will enjoy smoking it for a divine experience.

It is a pleasure to now own one of the most rarest plants in the world.

Thanks mate yinyang.gif
eri
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I've only ever been scared shitless by salvia

hehe, she's not for messing around with, that's for sure. I have a lot of love for Sally though smile.gif

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@eri Not sure but I don't think bubblebags will work as salvia has no trichomes.

I wondered that too, but the guy who invented them did a mint extraction for a demo, right?

My guess is the only way it wouldn't work is if the active ingredients (Salvinorum A and B, I believe) cannot be filtered out through ice/water based extraction... they must be smaller than the leaf material if they can be, though...

I'm gonna have to try it I think stoned.gif
THC4METOO
Wizard hats off to you mr magic, thanks for the fine times and high times this weekend. I've a lovely spot for the new addition to the house thumbsup.gif
rokitkrk
Great thread!
Tried salvia a few times x20 extract and had loads of fun. You have to be patient with it, wont always work, or your not in the right mind,

I got told in a smart shop that its best to smoke salvia with a glass pipe, i know it probably doesn't make much difference bug i like smoking it that way and works for me,

Maybe i missed it writen above, but how long to you have to grow the cuttings for before you can dry and cure the leaves? Any large leaf on the plant (once established) will work?

Found this on a site, sound it quite interesting

"The leaf quality may vary, that's why there will be cheapest leaves than others (see others articles), but naturally each leaf hs her own quality and potency and that can vary tremendously in each one, it's not always that you'll receive the same quality in your purchase. Producers try to separate the leaves by his potency and quality, that's why there is cheaper leaves than others. When purchasing Salvia Divinorum Cuttings, it is usually best to purchase the most potent grade of leaf that you can afford. This is especially true if the leaves will be smoked, because the more potent the leaves are, the less smoke you will need to inhale"

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TightBud
Magic
i must thank you for my gift of the salvia
its coming on well Click to view attachment
i left it outside for a while,then gave it a good spray when i brought it inside
now in a veg chamber its looking good with what looks like a cutting to be taken
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and sitting nicely in the veg chamber
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thanks again Magic thumbsupsmileyanim.gif
i'm looking forward growing it up a bit and enjoying a bit of this around christmas,for a bit of a realease from reality
OnTheWire
Ace - i'll sit in on this thread if you don't mind biggrin.gif . I've been growing Salvia for about 3 years now, but could have done more to make her appear a bit more lush - I just took a fire-and-forget approach, kept her out of direct sunlight and misted occasionally when I remembered, produced shit loads of smokable leaves just from natural droppage.

Very resiliant plant though considering my cack-handed gardening skills, and it's amazing to think that the only way we have it is thanks to it's having been passed on from cutting to cutting since some fella went into Oaxaca in the 60s and brought some out (or mebbe i'm slightly stoned, just ignore me). spliff.gif

Even if I only smoke it very occasionally, i'd like to do my bit to keep it a bit less of an endangered species. It's the most intense and plant-like experience i've ever had if that makes sense (and I think i've only ever been to level 2 and a half on the SALVIA scale), but certainly one to be approached with respect.


--OTW
roger
I once read there are seven levels on saliva high. 1 being mild, 6 being speaking to god, 7 amnesia for the length of the trip.

is this true?

never tried one that did the biz on me, how much should I be paying for the good stuff? how many plants do you need to grow to make it worth your while?

unlike weed it's unregulated & legal (still i hope) does that mean it's ok to hand it out to the kids on my street smile.gif
only kidding...
LED_experiments
i also have some of that plants at home. i ordered 3 cuttings from azarius in may. i put them into my led box under 17W array untill they were too big for my closet. at first i had some problems with low humidit, but i solved that problem and they all grow 50cm tall and bushy. i moved them from the closet to my roof window, under the sunlight. a few weeks ago i took 15 cuttings of them. they all look nice and i'm sure they will grow into a big plants. i have cuttings in my drobe under 20W cool white cfl at 50-70% humidity.
my plan is to make like 100 clones till may next year and grow them outdoors. if everything goes ok, i'll make some extract and maybe try to make some salvia cookies.
it looks like i'm one of the lucky pearsons who don't need much to have a very good salvia trip. when i tried it first time, i got a strange feeling. next time i knew what to expect and the feeling was better. the last time i smoked it i just took 2 hits from the bong (let's say 0.1g) and i was 'lost' for 5 minutes. i only smoked dried leaves and the effect is unbelievable. i can't imagine what it would do to me if i smoked extract.
i got my dried leaves from a friend and they are just great. i also tried some of the leaves i took from my plants and they also work just as good as that.
Seeka
I know what you mean LED - I too am very lucky in being quite sensitive to Salvia..!!!

The last big hit I took fired me straight out of the universe and I 'lost' about 15 mins of my life - when I became aware again I was lying on the lawn and could feel the grass and dirt in my throat - I was becoming part of the garden!!!

Anyways guys, reason for dropping by was to let you know about Psychonautica 16 on www.dopefiend.co.uk - this MP3 download is highly recommended. Get through the first 20 mins or so, the guys are mostly debating the value of yogic mediation vs. psycadelics but then go on to talk about the comparison between Salvia and DMT trips.

The 'Seeka' (no it's not me, another guy using this very kewl alias!) talks about how he felt on a Salvia trip and it is EXACTLY how it feels for me - he puts it in words that I just couldn't. So if you're interested in knowing more about Salvia, never tried it and want to know what it's like, this is a good download to listen to...

"You take, let us assume, a third toke - take a deep hit, long and slow, let it vaporize..."

Peace All

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dr rockster
Lucky gits,getting off so easily rofl.gif

Seeka,I bought a tube of x 20 and smoked the lot in a pipe in 5 minutes.

Started to feel like I was going up on something,like mushies,nervous stomach,sweaty palms and slightly heightened colours but that was it.

I think if I do it a few more times I'll 'tune n' to the buzz.

Its strange you mention becoming part of the garden as peeps seem to become part of their environment on salvia.

Magics light socket? rofl.gif


Don't smoke it when you are having a crap! rofl.gif
melchiah_klan
QUOTE(dr rockster @ Oct 2 2007, 12:30 AM) *
Lucky gits,getting off so easily rofl.gif

Seeka,I bought a tube of x 20 and smoked the lot in a pipe in 5 minutes.

Started to feel like I was going up on something,like mushies,nervous stomach,sweaty palms and slightly heightened colours but that was it.

I think if I do it a few more times I'll 'tune n' to the buzz.

Its strange you mention becoming part of the garden as peeps seem to become part of their environment on salvia.

Magics light socket? rofl.gif


Don't smoke it when you are having a crap! rofl.gif




I had exactly the same experience as you rockster .. caned a 20x extract and not much happens ... damn you lucky people who are more sensitive to it than me wink.gif Ill have to try the leaves sometime but dont know anyone who can get me any.

Melchiah
Lizard
if salvia ain't doing it for you it could well be that you didn't burn it at high enough temperature - it really takes some very high levels of heat to properly release the active ingredients unlike cannabis where the active ingredients ( mainly THC ) vapourise at much lower temps, it helps if you use more than one lighter, also the first couple of attempts rarely have much of an effect you become more sensitive to it the more times you try it ( or at least that's how it seems to me) .
LED_experiments
that is the most funny thing i noticed when smoking salvia. the more times you smoke it, the more intense the effect is.
a friend of mine dropped by and i offered him some dried leaves. he smoked like 1g of leaves and he still seemd quite normal. he said that there was no effect except a litle sweating. but he asked me for 10-15g of leaves so that he could smoke it with friends. some of them got really 'stoned', the others not. he also smoked it a couple more times and the last time he came to me and we smoked a bong, he was in another world for couple of minutes rofl.gif
if you don't get stoned, just keep on trying (ofcourse if you don't mind the ugly taste of it).
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