[fish and chips]

It would be interesting to see the response from dutch passion tony after what's been said, i would also like to know how they can justify selling BB at such a high price when the chance of actually getting a decent BB is very low.

[bill cooper]

maybe he took the huff because you think he look's like his avatar thicky

[moodyman78]

komodod, on 29 March 2012 - 09:30 PM, said:

i dont know wether this can be solved, i dont know how dp produces there seeds but its seems funny, sagamatha, dp, and dj short bb, are all said to not be what they were. perhaps its weak genetics or something which have not stood the test of time. im really tempted to grow out all the different blueberry seeds i can find of any company and see who has the best representation. with a grow log.

My understanding is the blueberry male DJ lost was the male used in flo (not the DP version which is still flo x flo) and also in'True Blueberry', he has said his original blueberry is unchanged since 13 years.

DJ has said the blue lines are prone to mutation and have hermie traits, from their thai ancestors. They are also feed sensitive, he has said categorically that he thinks many strains are 'different' now because of different feed etc, not just his strains. Doesnt mean he's right of course! But then some people love his herbs and some of the nicest herbs in the world come from his lines.

There is lots of information on the net as he posts quite a bit on another forum, and it is pretty clear he is selecting first and foremost for effect, and not knock you on your ass effect either, and also for something different and 'unique'.

If you want uniform then a blueberry f1 hybrid like smellyberry or blue cheese, which would not be as good if DJ had not done the innitial work crossing different and unusual landraces, and then inbreeding to the fifth generation. All of his plants are related, he made his f1 cross then grew out thousands of f2s and f3s, the f2 generation would have thrown up all sorts of genetic diversity and oddments and his lines are like a window into that genetic diversity, a sample of what is possible.

Of course this is DJ not DP, but then people are having the same problems and saying the same things, only DP have a fem twist of course, to be honest DP have never denied doing further work on the blueberry but at the same time maybe they need to be thanked for not totally fucking around with it.

I wont bother with any of these lines till I am in a position to grow out a couple of packs and look for keepers. Most people with nice plants seems to keep more than one bag for a second run so they can get feeding right and whatnot, it would be a waste of time me trying that now, but would love to see a diary.

[komodod]

ive heard both things tbh, i dont know what he lost or used. ive seen flo it always looks the same so that seems more consistant. tbh there are not that many grows online of dj shorts bb. so as you say it may be unchanged. theres only one way to find out i guess

[moodyman78]

komodod, on 31 March 2012 - 07:03 PM, said:

ive heard both things tbh, i dont know what he lost or used. ive seen flo it always looks the same so that seems more consistant. tbh there are not that many grows online of dj shorts bb. so as you say it may be unchanged. theres only one way to find out i guess

Yes you should do a run, actualy you should do a side by side with DP, would be an impartial diary at least

[komodod]

moodyman78, on 01 April 2012 - 03:52 PM, said:

komodod, on 31 March 2012 - 07:03 PM, said:

ive heard both things tbh, i dont know what he lost or used. ive seen flo it always looks the same so that seems more consistant. tbh there are not that many grows online of dj shorts bb. so as you say it may be unchanged. theres only one way to find out i guess

Yes you should do a run, actualy you should do a side by side with DP, would be an impartial diary at least

tbh i dont know i could justify paying for eight or nine weeks leccy and half a flower room on dp. thats what i mean.. if i could be guarenteed something worth while i would. il think about it though

[madgiz]

I grew a packet of DJ's Flo back along specifically looking for breeding parents for an experiment I was playing with..

I must say on the whole I am happy with the genetics that they have passed on but I would have been disappointed had I of bought the seeds with stock plants in mind or even looking for a mother plant for that matter..

Of course this is just the findings of a hobby hacker with 1 packet of seeds..

This post has been edited by madgiz: 02 April 2012 - 10:56 PM

[moodyman78]

komodod, on 02 April 2012 - 10:37 PM, said:

moodyman78, on 01 April 2012 - 03:52 PM, said:

komodod, on 31 March 2012 - 07:03 PM, said:

ive heard both things tbh, i dont know what he lost or used. ive seen flo it always looks the same so that seems more consistant. tbh there are not that many grows online of dj shorts bb. so as you say it may be unchanged. theres only one way to find out i guess

Yes you should do a run, actualy you should do a side by side with DP, would be an impartial diary at least

tbh i dont know i could justify paying for eight or nine weeks leccy and half a flower room on dp. thats what i mean.. if i could be guarenteed something worth while i would. il think about it though

In that case I wouldn't bother with blueberry at all, stick to F1s or get a cut off someone who has done the selection work for you

[moodyman78]

madgiz, on 02 April 2012 - 10:56 PM, said:

I grew a packet of DJ's Flo back along specifically looking for breeding parents for an experiment I was playing with..

I must say on the whole I am happy with the genetics that they have passed on but I would have been disappointed had I of bought the seeds with stock plants in mind or even looking for a mother plant for that matter..

Of course this is just the findings of a hobby hacker with 1 packet of seeds..

Most people seem to say that about DJs lines, especially the older ones, I think a lot of his rep has been built on the enormous number of hybrids he has 'helped' create, and nothing wrong with that.

I have 11 fem FLO seeds for some time in the distant future when I can grow a plant without it looking like a goat has pissed on it! Yours looked great by the way, I wish! Flo has been my must grow one day weed since I smoked some in the Dam ages ago, so my hand was forced by DP shelving some strains, having said that it was nice to get some free seeds in breeders packs not plastic baggies, felt like good value anyway!

I know I could by DJ Short regs but they are guaranteed to be old seeds now, and at that price! Plus I think that the Flo I smoked was likely the old flo x flo.

I take it you had fems? Have DP offeredd the flo as regs in the past?

TBH I wish DP could be encouraged to offer more of their lines as regulars.

[madgiz]

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I take it you had fems?

No mate they were DJ's and they were natural seeds..

This post has been edited by madgiz: 03 April 2012 - 08:59 AM

[moodyman78]

madgiz, on 03 April 2012 - 08:59 AM, said:

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I take it you had fems?

No mate they were DJ's and they were natural seeds..

I was so tempted, but there are so many reports of DJs seeds having bad germination rates, something he acknowledges due to them being old stock and not having a distributer, and as I want to keep these in the fridge for a bit,

plus I am sure it was DPs I tried.

You will tell me you got 10 from ten to germ now wont you!

[kingcapo123]

i think people are been too cautious , without risk there is no reward !!! i have good first hand experience with dp blueberry and i would buy them again to pheno hunt , as for dj shorts seeds there very pricey and what i plan to do is buy 2 or 3 packs and make a few thousand f2s with the best plants i find and really hun that killer pheno down ,

im happy with the blueberrys i have from my last seed run , but i bet with more seeds could find even better

This post has been edited by kingcapo123: 03 April 2012 - 10:51 AM

[MrSparkles]

Hi Guys,

don’t mean to step on anyone’s toes here but thought I should really say Ive just harvested a Blueberry that out grew my tent causing me to have to crop her 3 times during growth and she was still so tall there was a touch of bleach on one of the colas and lights on could have got as hot as 35C..

They were in Autopots and reacted to every wish with the nutes + Plus I leeched for 3 weeks..

She came out GREAT - Not a hermie in sight BEAUTIFUL purples and Blue probably about 3 ounces smells ace and potent, been drying for 48hrs and she is the only one that is still sticky.

One of the buds:


It really has to be said that due to my stupidity and the Auto pots making the plants grow like mad (nearly 7 feet tall with 28 veg from seed!) I brutalised my Dutch Passion plants and not one seed.

THANK YOU DUTCH PASSION!

Feel free to check out the DP Grow link below to see more.

ATB Everyone
Sparkles