[happydaze]

komodod, on 10 March 2012 - 09:42 PM, said:

happydaze, on 10 March 2012 - 11:55 AM, said:

cf, on 10 March 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

here you go My linkhttp://www.letfreedomgrow.com/cmu/SamsStory.htm

cheers i had a little scan through that then started a search on 420 and found very little thats why i posted a view on the subject

thats a bullshit story anyone who gives a narcotic to a child who is underage needs locking up. playing with medicating yourself or kids is no joke. and definately shouldnt be promoted here.

i have NOT promoted anything here, the last 3 years mine and my wifes life has pretty much ended hospital app, judging wankers thinking my childs naughty, try setting your alarm clock for every 45 mins every nite for 3 years. i think doctors playing games medicating my child with drugs that make him lay like in a coma for hours on end dont think so at the begining of this i stated I AM NOT GOIN TO GIVE MY CHILD A SPLIFF ECT

[happydaze]

mr_mollasses, on 11 March 2012 - 01:14 AM, said:

I don't know much about autism etc, but can you not talk to your doctor about possibly trying sativex ?

i think it's something for me and the doc to have a chat about in the future is it available in the uk?

[happydaze]

Boojum, on 11 March 2012 - 02:17 AM, said:

komodod, on 10 March 2012 - 09:42 PM, said:

happydaze, on 10 March 2012 - 11:55 AM, said:

cf, on 10 March 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

here you go My linkhttp://www.letfreedomgrow.com/cmu/SamsStory.htm

cheers i had a little scan through that then started a search on 420 and found very little thats why i posted a view on the subject

thats a bullshit story anyone who gives a narcotic to a child who is underage needs locking up. playing with medicating yourself or kids is no joke. and definately shouldnt be promoted here.

Bullshit yourself, if you're gonna make stupid statements like people need locking up perhaps you should at least get the terminology right first - regardless of the legal status in many countries, medically and chemically cannabis is not a narcotic

Would you give your child an aspirin if he/she had a headache ? Well then you are irresponsible and need locking up, more people have died from taking aspirin than have died from cannabis.

Have you ever given your kids Calpol ? HOW DARE YOU, paracetamol kills loads of people every year.

Have you ever given your kids cows milk ? YOU EVIL FUCKER - cows milk has killed more people than cannabis has.

Need I go on ?

big thank you from the daze household

[happydaze]

oldsalty, on 11 March 2012 - 08:55 AM, said:

You have my full sympathy.My eldest son was diagnosed with autistic spectrum disorder at age two.I was in the jail at the time he was diagnosed as I had been caught with a large amount of cannabis.Cut a long story short,myself and his mum were beside ourselves with worry but point blank refused to put him on any meds and just put up with the temper tantrums,sleepless nights etc etc.Now he is 16,leads a pretty normal life and likes the weed.There is no easy answers and no two cases are the same but it does get easier with time.I wish you and your family all the best and hope you find what you are looking for.

Salty

cheers like them stories 16 normal life easier with time thanks alot daze

[tigseyjnr]

happydaze, on 11 March 2012 - 10:55 AM, said:

Boojum, on 11 March 2012 - 02:17 AM, said:

komodod, on 10 March 2012 - 09:42 PM, said:

happydaze, on 10 March 2012 - 11:55 AM, said:

cf, on 10 March 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

here you go My linkhttp://www.letfreedomgrow.com/cmu/SamsStory.htm

cheers i had a little scan through that then started a search on 420 and found very little thats why i posted a view on the subject

thats a bullshit story anyone who gives a narcotic to a child who is underage needs locking up. playing with medicating yourself or kids is no joke. and definately shouldnt be promoted here.

Bullshit yourself, if you're gonna make stupid statements like people need locking up perhaps you should at least get the terminology right first - regardless of the legal status in many countries, medically and chemically cannabis is not a narcotic

Would you give your child an aspirin if he/she had a headache ? Well then you are irresponsible and need locking up, more people have died from taking aspirin than have died from cannabis.

Have you ever given your kids Calpol ? HOW DARE YOU, paracetamol kills loads of people every year.

Have you ever given your kids cows milk ? YOU EVIL FUCKER - cows milk has killed more people than cannabis has.

Need I go on ?

big thank you from the daze household

so glad you said this. i've been trying to write an appropriate reply to it, but kept getting angry and going off track. you've put into words what i couldn't. nice one.

happydays, anyone with a brain can see you are a caring, loving father, who'd only do the right thing by your son. regardless of what certain muppets might think. you don't need to explain yourself dude.

i dont think people realise how corrupt and ludicrous the pharmacuetical business is. it's big business, with vast sums of money being spent on it by the government, who are also making money from it. there's also alot of old, pre-historic even, psychiatrists who just throw med's at people without thinking of the long term damage/side affects, then use more meds to counter act them.

i havnt worked with alot of older people in care, but those i have worked with, have been totally screwed by the medication they've been taking for years. mentally, and physically.

i still reckon that lad in the link did not need the cannabis in the end. it was getting off the 'legal' med's that done him the most good, and the father even goes on to say how they're learning to control his temper using coping strategies together and not relying on the cannabis. this show's they dont need the cannabis. the cannabis may have made the transition coming off the med's easier though, and that's cool.

alot of doctors and psychologists are afraid to take people off of medication because of the affect it can have. surely, if a medication is that dangerous to come off, dont put people on it! i'd argue that a week or month of problematic behaviour and physical needs with alot of hard work, is worth a lifetime of happyness off of medication.

in my experience, as people with autism get older, they learn to cope better with it, and those around them learn too, i dont think they 'get better' as such. even those with profound learning difficulties do seem to stablize as they get older.

hormones must play a big part in the aggresive/destructive behaviours too, but i dont know the facts about this..

Tigs

[forwinston]

happydaze, on 10 March 2012 - 08:42 AM, said:

hi all im after a little advice
first off since the birth of my child 3 years ago my partner's know something just wernt quite right. he's recently been diagnosed with autism and the docs think they may be other issues going on to but it's alittle early tell yet. Head banging, raging tantrums, no speech which results in alot of crying ect ect... all that we cope with but the major issue is sleep. he can wake up every 45 mins at night and when he wakes hes without doubt in a major rage everytime, we have had the bestest of help from the doctors to which we've tried mild sleeping medication and nothing works
i smoke at night and have done for the past 10-15 years because i enjoy it purely for pleasure

I WOULD'NT DREAM OF GIVING MY 3YR OLD CHILD A SPLIFF NOR PUT A BUD IN HIS FOOD

but i have a massive feeling it could help him chill in so many ways mainly at night and i,m wondering what others thought

thanks happydaze

have you had hearing tests? children with hearing loss find bed time and sleeping very frustrating as they need face to face contact, if you have had hearing tests done, then i would suggest maybe homeopathy treatments as these are very weak and suitable for children, valerian root is a natural sleep aid, but it is always best to seek medical advice before giving your child anything. i recently watched a documentry about a boy called Cash hyde from the states who was given cannabis oil aged two to help him with a brain tumour treatment, but i do think you need to speak to someone who canadvise you better, theres a book called the Medical Marijuana Handbook that has lots of good research - i remember a lady called granny pat who used to put .1 of a gramme in her currys and said it gave her great relief, but with children its always best to err on the side of caution, just do lots of research, a mothers INSTINCT is often the right one, i wish you and your family well and i hope you get all the help you need, i would alos recommend light therapy for him, get lots of pretty bright things and fairy lights in his room, so if he wakes there is something nice to look at, prehaps a fake fish tank too? xxxxxxx good luck xxx

[Ishmael]

One of the few things you can rely on in an autistic child is what tigsey said, the need for consistency. The normal world seems to keep throwing them surprises and situations they can't cope with. This can seem a bit limiting to those of us who like our freedom and can cope with the consequences. It's not so much that you need to make rules for them, as they need to be gently coaxed towards the world and its complexities as far as possible and will often hide quite happily in authoritarian structures, getting less not more able to cope with the world, but you might need some rules for yourself so that you can deliver some predictability for the child.

I'd also say that you can't remake the world for the child, so you do have to reflect the world's values to the child whilst softening the blows. It is hard but it definitely gets better with age if they can manage to be out in the world enough, preferably in a mainstream school if that is possible - this is just a personal view. I have seen so many kids who seem to have no idea how to get on with others at the age of 12 or so, maturing into merely eccentric and often charming, happy, successful adults by 18, through regular contact with other children (and also because it is I think easier to be an autistic adult in the adult world, than an autistic child among other children).

I have worked with ASD children but I don't claim to be an expert, so this is just a personal view. I know what you mean about that sunbeam smile. The very best of luck with your lovely tricky boy.

Personally I would not die of horror to hear that a child had been given a small amount of cannabis but I would never advise it on here - you should remember what others have said, that to give such advice would not be helpful for this forum generally, regardless of its validity. I guess the truth must be that nobody knows whether cannabis will turn out to be a helpful medicine for children, though it is now I think undeniable that many adults find it very helpful medically.

This post has been edited by Ishmael: 11 March 2012 - 01:42 PM

[tigseyjnr]

^ totally agree ^

[happydaze]

forwinston, on 11 March 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

happydaze, on 10 March 2012 - 08:42 AM, said:

hi all im after a little advice
first off since the birth of my child 3 years ago my partner's know something just wernt quite right. he's recently been diagnosed with autism and the docs think they may be other issues going on to but it's alittle early tell yet. Head banging, raging tantrums, no speech which results in alot of crying ect ect... all that we cope with but the major issue is sleep. he can wake up every 45 mins at night and when he wakes hes without doubt in a major rage everytime, we have had the bestest of help from the doctors to which we've tried mild sleeping medication and nothing works
i smoke at night and have done for the past 10-15 years because i enjoy it purely for pleasure

I WOULD'NT DREAM OF GIVING MY 3YR OLD CHILD A SPLIFF NOR PUT A BUD IN HIS FOOD

but i have a massive feeling it could help him chill in so many ways mainly at night and i,m wondering what others thought

thanks happydaze

have you had hearing tests? children with hearing loss find bed time and sleeping very frustrating as they need face to face contact, if you have had hearing tests done, then i would suggest maybe homeopathy treatments as these are very weak and suitable for children, valerian root is a natural sleep aid, but it is always best to seek medical advice before giving your child anything. i recently watched a documentry about a boy called Cash hyde from the states who was given cannabis oil aged two to help him with a brain tumour treatment, but i do think you need to speak to someone who canadvise you better, theres a book called the Medical Marijuana Handbook that has lots of good research - i remember a lady called granny pat who used to put .1 of a gramme in her currys and said it gave her great relief, but with children its always best to err on the side of caution, just do lots of research, a mothers INSTINCT is often the right one, i wish you and your family well and i hope you get all the help you need, i would alos recommend light therapy for him, get lots of pretty bright things and fairy lights in his room, so if he wakes there is something nice to look at, prehaps a fake fish tank too? xxxxxxx good luck xxx

hi done a few hearing tests all come back 100%, it's sudden load noises ie clapping seems to have sensitive hearing. i'll have a read up on valerian root thing iv'e never heard of it. he has a few light and noise implements for bed time make no difference really
i watched a doc recenctly were a guy took magic mushrooms for severe headaches said it made his life livable crazy world
happydaze

[happydaze]

Ishmael, on 11 March 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

One of the few things you can rely on in an autistic child is what tigsey said, the need for consistency. The normal world seems to keep throwing them surprises and situations they can't cope with. This can seem a bit limiting to those of us who like our freedom and can cope with the consequences. It's not so much that you need to make rules for them, as they need to be gently coaxed towards the world and its complexities as far as possible and will often hide quite happily in authoritarian structures, getting less not more able to cope with the world, but you might need some rules for yourself so that you can deliver some predictability for the child.

I'd also say that you can't remake the world for the child, so you do have to reflect the world's values to the child whilst softening the blows. It is hard but it definitely gets better with age if they can manage to be out in the world enough, preferably in a mainstream school if that is possible - this is just a personal view. I have seen so many kids who seem to have no idea how to get on with others at the age of 12 or so, maturing into merely eccentric and often charming, happy, successful adults by 18, through regular contact with other children (and also because it is I think easier to be an autistic adult in the adult world, than an autistic child among other children).

I have worked with ASD children but I don't claim to be an expert, so this is just a personal view. I know what you mean about that sunbeam smile. The very best of luck with your lovely tricky boy.

Personally I would not die of horror to hear that a child had been given a small amount of cannabis but I would never advise it on here - you should remember what others have said, that to give such advice would not be helpful for this forum generally, regardless of its validity. I guess the truth must be that nobody knows whether cannabis will turn out to be a helpful medicine for children, though it is now I think undeniable that many adults find it very helpful medically.

hi fully agree with the above he's just started a normal kids nursery and a massive difference were noticed pretty much streight away theres already been talk of his school but it's alittle early to tell if it's mainstream or special cross that bridge when we come to it
i would never give nor advice that kids should be given cannabis as meds like i say we cope with anything he throws at us it's just the sleeping without sleep we are like zombies
thanks daze

[cocojoe]

Hello Happydays, lots of respect to you.I have a autistic son, he's just turned 15, he was statemented at 3,was a total nightmare(in a nice way), didn't talk till he was 5 but now, unless you knew him it's hard to tell that he has ASD. Ishmael is pretty spot on with what he say's, all i can say is if it's possible try and get your boy in a mainstream school, my son was placed in a special needs unit for a few month's and it was holding him back, when he started in the mainstream school with the help of a teaching assistant there was no stopping him.He still finds socialising a bit difficult, but thats basicly it. All the best with your son, and any Qs dont hesitate to ask. Coco

[mr_mollasses]

happydaze, on 11 March 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:

mr_mollasses, on 11 March 2012 - 01:14 AM, said:

I don't know much about autism etc, but can you not talk to your doctor about possibly trying sativex ?

i think it's something for me and the doc to have a chat about in the future is it available in the uk?

apparently it is but they are reluctant to prescribe it because it is expensive.

[komodod]

Boojum, on 11 March 2012 - 02:17 AM, said:

komodod, on 10 March 2012 - 09:42 PM, said:

happydaze, on 10 March 2012 - 11:55 AM, said:

cf, on 10 March 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

here you go My linkhttp://www.letfreedomgrow.com/cmu/SamsStory.htm

cheers i had a little scan through that then started a search on 420 and found very little thats why i posted a view on the subject

thats a bullshit story anyone who gives a narcotic to a child who is underage needs locking up. playing with medicating yourself or kids is no joke. and definately shouldnt be promoted here.

Bullshit yourself, if you're gonna make stupid statements like people need locking up perhaps you should at least get the terminology right first - regardless of the legal status in many countries, medically and chemically cannabis is not a narcotic

Would you give your child an aspirin if he/she had a headache ? Well then you are irresponsible and need locking up, more people have died from taking aspirin than have died from cannabis.

Have you ever given your kids Calpol ? HOW DARE YOU, paracetamol kills loads of people every year.

Have you ever given your kids cows milk ? YOU EVIL FUCKER - cows milk has killed more people than cannabis has.

Need I go on ?

wow your a moron, yes i would give my children something which the food and drugs administration deems suitable for children, whould i give a minor an illegal drug?? no!

your disillusioned mate, i like weed as much as you but grow up and wise up and see it for what it is instead of makling it out to be a medication which it isnt, there is no cure for cancer. not yet anyway

wise up mate. your right maybe cannabis hasnt killed anyone.. does it have to kill someone for people to have a bad opinion about it? how many people has it had sectioned though mate????
its stupid people like yourself who cant see both sides of the story...the good and the bad, your the people that keep cannabis illegal. because you basically make us all look like idiots mate.

[komodod]

tigseyjnr, on 11 March 2012 - 01:13 PM, said:

happydaze, on 11 March 2012 - 10:55 AM, said:

Boojum, on 11 March 2012 - 02:17 AM, said:

komodod, on 10 March 2012 - 09:42 PM, said:

happydaze, on 10 March 2012 - 11:55 AM, said:

cf, on 10 March 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

here you go My linkhttp://www.letfreedomgrow.com/cmu/SamsStory.htm

cheers i had a little scan through that then started a search on 420 and found very little thats why i posted a view on the subject

thats a bullshit story anyone who gives a narcotic to a child who is underage needs locking up. playing with medicating yourself or kids is no joke. and definately shouldnt be promoted here.

Bullshit yourself, if you're gonna make stupid statements like people need locking up perhaps you should at least get the terminology right first - regardless of the legal status in many countries, medically and chemically cannabis is not a narcotic

Would you give your child an aspirin if he/she had a headache ? Well then you are irresponsible and need locking up, more people have died from taking aspirin than have died from cannabis.

Have you ever given your kids Calpol ? HOW DARE YOU, paracetamol kills loads of people every year.

Have you ever given your kids cows milk ? YOU EVIL FUCKER - cows milk has killed more people than cannabis has.

Need I go on ?

big thank you from the daze household

so glad you said this. i've been trying to write an appropriate reply to it, but kept getting angry and going off track. you've put into words what i couldn't. nice one.

happydays, anyone with a brain can see you are a caring, loving father, who'd only do the right thing by your son. regardless of what certain muppets might think. you don't need to explain yourself dude.

i dont think people realise how corrupt and ludicrous the pharmacuetical business is. it's big business, with vast sums of money being spent on it by the government, who are also making money from it. there's also alot of old, pre-historic even, psychiatrists who just throw med's at people without thinking of the long term damage/side affects, then use more meds to counter act them.

i havnt worked with alot of older people in care, but those i have worked with, have been totally screwed by the medication they've been taking for years. mentally, and physically.

i still reckon that lad in the link did not need the cannabis in the end. it was getting off the 'legal' med's that done him the most good, and the father even goes on to say how they're learning to control his temper using coping strategies together and not relying on the cannabis. this show's they dont need the cannabis. the cannabis may have made the transition coming off the med's easier though, and that's cool.

alot of doctors and psychologists are afraid to take people off of medication because of the affect it can have. surely, if a medication is that dangerous to come off, dont put people on it! i'd argue that a week or month of problematic behaviour and physical needs with alot of hard work, is worth a lifetime of happyness off of medication.

in my experience, as people with autism get older, they learn to cope better with it, and those around them learn too, i dont think they 'get better' as such. even those with profound learning difficulties do seem to stablize as they get older.

hormones must play a big part in the aggresive/destructive behaviours too, but i dont know the facts about this..

Tigs

apart from calling me a muppet i actually agree with everything you have said. however, i dont agree that its morally or ethically right to give a child cannabis until it has actually been deemed safe (by the authorities) as a medicine for children... i honestly cant see what is wrong with that. anyone who disagrees with that does not care about the welfare of children.

This post has been edited by komodod: 12 March 2012 - 12:28 AM

[Ishmael]

komodod, on 12 March 2012 - 12:24 AM, said:

apart from calling me a muppet i actually agree with everything you have said. however, i dont agree that its morally or ethically right to give a child cannabis until it has actually been deemed safe (by the authorities) as a medicine for children... i honestly cant see what is wrong with that. anyone who disagrees with that does not care about the welfare of children.

this is a bit like starting a fight in an empty room. No-one posting here has said it is ok to give cannabis to children.

Your faith in 'the authorities' is touching. Whilst I would agree that it is right to take due notice of the findings of medical research before medicating anyone, the authorities are not currently being at all reasonable about cannabis. Every cannabis user knows from their daily experience that the drug is currently being unreasonably demonised by the authorities, and in those circumstances it isn't unreasonable of the OP to ask whether it might help a child regardless of what the authorities say. And in this pro-cannabis and largely anti-authoritarian environment no-one has asserted that it is all right to give cannabis to a child. So there's no-one for you to fight - sorry.